[nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing theNemethbraillecode

Sun Sep 11 23:55:02 UTC 2011

If you can get it, in a managable format, please E-mail it to me, off list.
Thanks, Joshua

On 9/11/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> I also have a much longer document that is NUBS rules.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 4:37 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing
> theNemethbraillecode
>
>
>> NUBS info coming soon.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
>> Nemethbraillecode
>>
>>
>>> The NFB representative on BANA is Jennifer Dunnam.  I forwarded some of
>>> the messages that appeared here, and
>>> she asked if I would post the following for her.
>>>
>>> Jennifer Dunnam Wrote:
>>> "Since I am the NFB's representative on BANA, Steve Jacobson has shared
>>> with
>>> me some of the discussion that has occurred on list regarding BANA and
>>> the
>>> Nemeth Code.  In addition to the excellent points that he has made, I
>>> would
>>> strongly urge everyone to please read the three-part article that is
>>> being
>>> distributed by BANA, the first part of which appeared in the May Braille
>>> Monitor, and the second part of which will appear in Octobers (to be
>>> followed shortly by the third).  The article is intended to lay out the
>>> issues confronting all of us at braille users and what BANA is
>>> considering.
>>> Please know that BANA is engaged in a thoughtful process and will not be
>>> making snap decisions.  We have asked for and will continue to seek input
>>> from all concerned, and we want people to be informed as well.
>>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:17:28 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm interested in Nemeth's new code. What does it combine? How much does
>>>>it
>>>>resemble the current math code?
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Joshua Lester
>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
>>>>Nemethbraillecode
>>>
>>>>Mr Jacobson:
>>>>Please E-mail me off list.
>>>>I'm interested in his new code.
>>>>Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>>>On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this.
>>>>> First,
>>>>> one doesn't just complain to the chair of the
>>>>> resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second,
>>>>> resolutions won't be considered until next
>>>>> summer so there is time to sort all this out.  I've been trying to
>>>>> follow
>>>>> the BANA deliberations on some of this and things
>>>>> just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface.  Whether we
>>>>> like
>>>>> it
>>>>> or not, print has been and is changing very
>>>>> quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to
>>>>> keep
>>>>> up.  Something has to happen to let us
>>>>> expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to
>>>>> seemlessly
>>>>> weave in the kinds of technical writing
>>>>> that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long
>>>>> ago.
>>>>> Whether a separate code for mathematics
>>>>> needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is
>>>>> still
>>>>> an open question, as far as I know.
>>>>> Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even
>>>>> sees
>>>>> limitations in the current code and has
>>>>> created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant
>>>>> change
>>>>> from the current code.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that
>>>>> isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary
>>>>> for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject.  Let's
>>>>> just
>>>>> keep our cool a little.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I think you will.  She's good that way.  If you don't let me
>>>>>>know.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>
>>>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>>>>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>>>>exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>>>>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>>>>>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
>>>>>>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
>>>>>>www.icanfoundation.info for
>>>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
>>>>>>Nemeth braillecode
>>>>>
>>>>>>Carly, it's shameful.
>>>>>>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee.
>>>>>>Hopefully, I'll hear something.
>>>>>>Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 9/10/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, Joshua,
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm with ya, brother!
>>>>>
>>>>>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as
>>>>>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I
>>>>>>know
>>>>>> and love so very deeply.  In fact, my Not being able to find
>>>>>>meaning
>>>>>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any
>>>>>>less.
>>>>>> 2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>I'm all for a unified Braille code.
>>>>>>That code, is the Nemeth Code!
>>>>>>Leave it alone!
>>>>>>Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 9/10/11, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>>>>>><ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille
>>>>>>code
>>>>>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com
>>>>>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011
>>>>>
>>>>>>   a..  Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility
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>>>>>>abolishing
>>>>>> the Nemeth
>>>>>> braillecode
>>>>>>   c..  Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [
>>>>>>author ]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>---------------
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the
>>>>>>National
>>>>>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization
>>>>>> providing
>>>>>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille
>>>>>> transcribers here in
>>>>>> the United States.  The President's Message states, "At some
>>>>>>point in the
>>>>>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision
>>>>>> about a unified
>>>>>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will
>>>>>>combine
>>>>>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and
>>>>>> constructions."
>>>>>
>>>>>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to
>>>>>> the Braille
>>>>>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA
>>>>>>"Education and
>>>>>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a
>>>>>>universal
>>>>>> code."
>>>>>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6,
>>>>>>2011 and
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of
>>>>>>maths in the
>>>>>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior
>>>>>>to the
>>>>>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to
>>>>>>take
>>>>>> action
>>>>>> now.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the
>>>>>>Nemeth
>>>>>> code
>>>>>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India
>>>>>>and
>>>>>> Indonesia
>>>>>> which have larger populations of braille users?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> SusanJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>---------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>   a..  Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility
>>>>>>   b..  Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering
>>>>>>abolishing
>>>>>> the Nemeth
>>>>>> braillecode
>>>>>>   c..  Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [
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