[nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing theNemethbraillecode

Sun Sep 11 23:50:12 UTC 2011

I also have a much longer document that is NUBS rules.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
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Subject: [nabs-l] NUBS was Re: BANA still considering abolishing 
theNemethbraillecode

> NUBS info coming soon.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the 
> Nemethbraillecode
>
>
>> The NFB representative on BANA is Jennifer Dunnam.  I forwarded some of 
>> the messages that appeared here, and
>> she asked if I would post the following for her.
>>
>> Jennifer Dunnam Wrote:
>> "Since I am the NFB's representative on BANA, Steve Jacobson has shared 
>> with
>> me some of the discussion that has occurred on list regarding BANA and 
>> the
>> Nemeth Code.  In addition to the excellent points that he has made, I 
>> would
>> strongly urge everyone to please read the three-part article that is 
>> being
>> distributed by BANA, the first part of which appeared in the May Braille
>> Monitor, and the second part of which will appear in Octobers (to be
>> followed shortly by the third).  The article is intended to lay out the
>> issues confronting all of us at braille users and what BANA is 
>> considering.
>> Please know that BANA is engaged in a thoughtful process and will not be
>> making snap decisions.  We have asked for and will continue to seek input
>> from all concerned, and we want people to be informed as well.
>>
>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:17:28 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>
>>>I'm interested in Nemeth's new code. What does it combine? How much does 
>>>it
>>>resemble the current math code?
>>
>>>-----Original Message----- 
>>>From: Joshua Lester
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:14 PM
>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
>>>Nemethbraillecode
>>
>>>Mr Jacobson:
>>>Please E-mail me off list.
>>>I'm interested in his new code.
>>>Thanks, Joshua
>>
>>>On 9/11/11, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Let me respectfully suggest that we turn down the rhetoric on this.
>>>> First,
>>>> one doesn't just complain to the chair of the
>>>> resolutions committee and expect her to write a resolution, and second,
>>>> resolutions won't be considered until next
>>>> summer so there is time to sort all this out.  I've been trying to 
>>>> follow
>>>> the BANA deliberations on some of this and things
>>>> just are not as simple as it might seem on the surface.  Whether we 
>>>> like
>>>> it
>>>> or not, print has been and is changing very
>>>> quickly, and we all need to figure out how to find a way for braille to
>>>> keep
>>>> up.  Something has to happen to let us
>>>> expand the characters that are represented in braille, and how to
>>>> seemlessly
>>>> weave in the kinds of technical writing
>>>> that is more a part of everyday print now than was the case not long 
>>>> ago.
>>>> Whether a separate code for mathematics
>>>> needs to be maintained and whether it should remain the Nemeth code is
>>>> still
>>>> an open question, as far as I know.
>>>> Some of you apparently are not aware of the fact that Dr. Nemeth even 
>>>> sees
>>>> limitations in the current code and has
>>>> created a braille code called NUBS which would also be a significant
>>>> change
>>>> from the current code.
>>>>
>>>> I do not ask that people support the elimination of Nemeth code as that
>>>> isn't really the issue by itself, but it is necessary
>>>> for all of us to be as informed as we can be on this subject.  Let's 
>>>> just
>>>> keep our cool a little.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:31:35 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I think you will.  She's good that way.  If you don't let me
>>>>>know.
>>>>
>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>
>>>>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>>>>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>>>>>exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>>>>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>>>>>nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
>>>>>Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>>>
>>>>>  Visit the I C.A.N.  Foundation online at:
>>>>>www.icanfoundation.info for
>>>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>>>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 23:06:57 -0500
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BANA still considering abolishing the
>>>>>Nemeth braillecode
>>>>
>>>>>Carly, it's shameful.
>>>>>I E-mailed the chairman of the resolutions committee.
>>>>>Hopefully, I'll hear something.
>>>>>Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>>>On 9/10/11, Carly <carlymih at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Joshua,
>>>>
>>>>> I'm with ya, brother!
>>>>
>>>>> The example of that BANA attempt att braille I saw, struck me as
>>>>> being totally watered down and very much removed from the code I
>>>>>know
>>>>> and love so very deeply.  In fact, my Not being able to find
>>>>>meaning
>>>>> within the sensual, bumps does not make me love braille any
>>>>>less.
>>>>> 2011, you wrote:
>>>>>I'm all for a unified Braille code.
>>>>>That code, is the Nemeth Code!
>>>>>Leave it alone!
>>>>>Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>>>On 9/10/11, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>>>>><ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>>>> [Blindmath] BANA still considering abolishing the Nemeth braille
>>>>>code
>>>>> Susan Jolly easjolly at ix.netcom.com
>>>>> Fri Sep 9 17:10:37 CDT 2011
>>>>
>>>>>   a..  Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility
>>>>>   b..  Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering
>>>>>abolishing
>>>>> the Nemeth
>>>>> braillecode
>>>>>   c..  Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [
>>>>>author ]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>---------------
>>>>
>>>>> I have just recieved my copy of the Summer 2011 Bulletin of the
>>>>>National
>>>>> Braille Association (NBA) which is the professional organization
>>>>> providing
>>>>> continuing education to both paid and volunteer braille
>>>>> transcribers here in
>>>>> the United States.  The President's Message states, "At some
>>>>>point in the
>>>>> near future, the braille powers-that-be will make a decision
>>>>> about a unified
>>>>> braille code for the English-speaking worlds--a code that will
>>>>>combine
>>>>> literary and technical transcriptions under one set of rules and
>>>>> constructions."
>>>>
>>>>> Elsewhere in this issue of the Bulletin, the NBA representive to
>>>>> the Braille
>>>>> Authority of North America (BANA) writes that the BANA
>>>>>"Education and
>>>>> Outreach committee is still reviewing the possibility of a
>>>>>universal
>>>>> code."
>>>>> Note that the next meeting of BANA will be held November 3-6,
>>>>>2011 and
>>>>> will
>>>>> be hosted in the Baltimore area by the NFB.
>>>>
>>>>> If you believe as I do that the BAUK-like representation of
>>>>>maths in the
>>>>> current proposals for a unified code are significantly inferior
>>>>>to the
>>>>> Nemeth code's representation of mathematics, you might want to
>>>>>take
>>>>> action
>>>>> now.
>>>>
>>>>> Wouldn't it be ironic if the US were to abolish the use of the
>>>>>Nemeth
>>>>> code
>>>>> just as it is being widely adopted in countries such as India
>>>>>and
>>>>> Indonesia
>>>>> which have larger populations of braille users?
>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> SusanJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>---------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>   a..  Previous message: [Blindmath] SPSS accessibility
>>>>>   b..  Next message: [Blindmath] BANA still considering
>>>>>abolishing
>>>>> the Nemeth
>>>>> braillecode
>>>>>   c..  Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [
>>>>>author ]
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