[nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks

Mary Fernandez trillian551 at gmail.com
Mon Sep 12 20:08:08 UTC 2011


Dear All:
Having read the messages in this thread, I would like to point out
that this discussion is inappropriate for this list. The NABS List is
for the discussion of issues that affect blind students. That covers a
wide range of things. However, although the initial message for this
thread was well intentioned, the political and religious responses
that have resulted from it are inappropriate and irrelevant to this
list, and so should take place elsewhere.
Respectfully,
Mary Fernandez

On 9/12/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Beth,
> What nationality are you? So you follow Islam. I know several Muslims and if
> we stay away from religion, we are okay.
> Why did the airport people take your cane? I really don't know the outrage
> expressed by you and some people. When I flew, my cane was taken to be
> x-rayed and then returned. Once in the plane, I folded it and nothing was
> said but I flew with a sighted person. Still I have not heard the problems
> from other blind flyers  expressed here. Security is a pain, but it’s a pain
> for anyone. I'm with you though; I will avoid flying if at all possible. As
> Peter said, you could also charter a plane and prevent the intrusive
> security screening.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:29 PM
> To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>
> Btw, I converted to Ilam last year.  I don't appreciate anybody
> trying to group all Terrorists into the Muslim category.  Barack
> Obama said once that Al Qaida slaughtered millions of Muslims.  I
> have a friend whose Musloim son in the millitary went to Iraq god
> knows how many times.
> My cousin was a vet, and my roommate retired before she did any
> tours of duty.  I'm surrounded by vets, but there are Muslim
> veterans, and no, as far as I know, I'm not flying anymore.
> The reason is that I don't want my cane taken away, and I don't
> want to be hauled in a wheelchair into the plane.  I don't want
> my hijab removed because I am not going to let men get their
> boots wet over my hair.  Thanks.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:30:27 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>
> You people don't understand, do you? I don't agree with blind
> people's
> canes being taken away and all the rest of the stuff that's been
> happening, although I have to say that for about five years now I
> have
> had no problems at all traveling, and I do it pretty often. I
> know
> there are issues. But what you people don't understand is, it's
> the
> difference between having the right to be independent and travel
> with
> a cane and not having the right at all. If we left our nation
> vulnerable to attack, some group (whether it be Muslims or some
> other
> group in the future) who are hell-bent on the US' distruction
> will
> attack and if we're not ready, everything the United States has
> done,
> everything that over 200 years of soldiers fought for will just
> be
> taken away. I'm shocked too as all this anti-american rhetoric
> but I
> can't be too surprised with a liberal media and liberal college
> professors ... Either way, everyone's got their own opinions ...
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 12.09.2011, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello Joshua and everyone,
>
> Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights
> like the
> airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area
> that will
> determine the availability of flights to where you need to go
> being offered.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>
>
> Do they have services, in Arkansas?
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello Vejas and everyone,
>
> Private air travel holds another alternative to using the
> airlines. There
> are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats
> on
> chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As
> the
> situation
> with the airlines degrades even further these services are
> expected to
> grow
> changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a
> number of
> private
> air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible
> that we
> could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these
> services compared
> to that we've received from the airlines over the years.
>      For starters the vast majority of air charter company  Web
> Sites  are
> very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to
> navigate. A
> recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel
> ventures is:
> http://www.socialflights.com
>
>      While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process
> their Web
> site
> is very accessible and contains lots of information about this
> company.
> It's
> heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a
> Facebook Account
> and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in
> to Social
> Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind
> to a higher
> level!
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "vejas" <brlsurfer at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>
>
> Although independence is important, I still think our safety is
> more important.  Hopefully over the years, the airport people
> will eventually understand our situation and not take away our
> canes.  And we can do something about it being the confident NFB
> travelers we are.
> Vejas
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
> From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>
> I understand that safety and security are an issue.  But after
> 9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad.
> With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies'
> bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of
> people's privacy.  I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had
> to have somebody pat me down.  No thrills, but still.  I don't
> particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they
> might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white
> Anlgo Saxon Protestant.)  After 9/11, some things weren't so
> good, such as thhe airline security.  Even after that stupid guy
> put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues.
> I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents
> did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to
> make sure I got home.  The airlines have always been a source of
> contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people
> who died, but the repercussions that followed.
> Beth
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>
> Thanks Josh,
> I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also
> be
> active.
> Vote for whom you believe will
> make our country safe and secure.  You're right that safety and
> security is
> an issue as we students head back to campus.  Actually, I'm not
> a
> student
> this semester, but will go back for continuing education next
> semester at
> nova, community college.
>
> I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police
> office if you
> haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is,
> and
> meet an officer or two.  Some schools like mine, marymount
> university, just
> had security officers.
> Know how to reach them as well.  If you feel unsafe, walk with
> friends back
> to your dorm or call a security escort.  Many schools offer such
> a
> service.
> At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to
> enter
> the dorm;
> this is a good thing.  And also lock your dorm room, especially
> at
> night.
> If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast.  Go to
> a
> friend's
> home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel.  Just go
> somewhere safe.
> Safety is a big priority.
>
> Okay, that's my tips for now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
>
> Ashley:
> Great post!
> This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind
> students, are probably heading back to college, after being on
> vacation.
> This security issue is important.
> May God bless America.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>   Hi all,
>   We all have varying views on how to address safety and
> security.
> But
>   somehow, some way, those terrorists got through.
>   We were attacked a decade ago.
>   I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news.
> School was
>   closed the next day.  Our school had an assembly where the
> choir,
> band, and
>   other groups performed to commemorate 9/11.
>   I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it.  I will be
> praying for
>   our
>   country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary.
>   I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a
> nation.  If
>   you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you
> recovered
> somewhat
>   from the tragedy.
>
>   Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials
> today and
>   still
>   others will do volunteer service to serve the country.  If you
> are doing
>   anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you.
>
>   Take care.
>   Ashley
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Mary Fernandez
President: Georgia Association of Blind Students
Emory University 2012
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