[nabs-l] The Right to Choose How to Fly
Chris Nusbaum
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Tue Sep 13 00:26:28 UTC 2011
Ashley,
But sometimes you have to advocate, even if you don't want to.
Chris
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:30:40 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Right to Choose How to Fly
Peter,
Flying privately sounds like a good alternative. With increased
security, it’s
a hastle to put everything through the machine and retrieve it.
Also you
have inaccessible kiosks and inaccessible websites. I actually
haven't flown
alone, but hearing all the stories of flying makes me a bit
nervous. Its
stressful enough to go through a busy airport, I don't want to
have to
advocate for the right to use my cane through out the airport
instead of
being in a wheelchair or the right to keep my cane on the plane
beside me.
So do you charter alone for you and your family? Is it possible
to buy a
ticket on an existing charter plane just
as you would with a big airline? Do you choose to go alone to the
gate or do
you get an escort from the airport? I think they're called
skycaps.
Also, is getting a chartered aircraft much more expensive than a
one way
ticket from coast to coast?
I mean assuming you flew non stop. I want to
air charter to Las Vegas!
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Donahue
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:47 PM
To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind
Students mailing
list
Subject: [nabs-l] The Right to Choose How to Fly
Good afternoon everyone,
Without trying to add anything to this thread you are replying to
a response
that has nothing to do with 9/11. Rather it's our ability to
choose how we
will fly be it on a scheduled airline or via private air charter.
If you're
both blind and large like I am these days that's a very real
decision some
of us must make. Again this has nothing to do what soever to do
with 9/11
but the right to decide how we as blind people choose to fly.
Please pay
more attention to the message subject line in the future. It
would also help
if people would be more vidulent about fitting their message
subject lines
to the topic being discussed.
Peter Donahue
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nimer M. Jaber, IC³" <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com
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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
You people don't understand, do you? I don't agree with blind
people's
canes being taken away and all the rest of the stuff that's been
happening, although I have to say that for about five years now I
have
had no problems at all traveling, and I do it pretty often. I
know
there are issues. But what you people don't understand is, it's
the
difference between having the right to be independent and travel
with
a cane and not having the right at all. If we left our nation
vulnerable to attack, some group (whether it be Muslims or some
other
group in the future) who are hell-bent on the US' distruction
will
attack and if we're not ready, everything the United States has
done,
everything that over 200 years of soldiers fought for will just
be
taken away. I'm shocked too as all this anti-american rhetoric
but I
can't be too surprised with a liberal media and liberal college
professors ... Either way, everyone's got their own opinions ...
Thanks.
On 12.09.2011, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello Joshua and everyone,
Yes. Keep in mind however that these are not scheduled flights
like the
airlines. As air charter clients have needs to fly to your area
that will
determine the availability of flights to where you need to go
being
offered.
Peter Donahue
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
Do they have services, in Arkansas?
Thanks, Joshua
On 9/12/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
Hello Vejas and everyone,
Private air travel holds another alternative to using the
airlines. There
are a number of private air charter services that sell you seats
on
chartered aircraft at about the cost of an airline ticket. As
the
situation
with the airlines degrades even further these services are
expected to
grow
changing how we fly in the future. From having talked to a
number of
private
air charter companies and air charter brokers it's very possible
that we
could find ourselves receiving better treatment by these
services
compared
to that we've received from the airlines over the years.
For starters the vast majority of air charter company Web
Sites are
very accessible with screen reading software and are easy to
navigate. A
recent entry in to the world of per-seat private air travel
ventures is:
http://www.socialflights.com
While you need to get by a captcha in the signup process
their Web
site
is very accessible and contains lots of information about this
company.
It's
heavily integrated with Facebook so you'll need to have a
Facebook
Account
and will need to be logged in before registering and logging in
to Social
Flights. Check them out and let's take air travel by the blind
to a
higher
level!
Peter Donahue
----- Original Message -----
From: "vejas" <brlsurfer at gmail.com
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Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
Although independence is important, I still think our safety is
more important. Hopefully over the years, the airport people
will eventually understand our situation and not take away our
canes. And we can do something about it being the confident NFB
travelers we are.
Vejas
----- Original Message -----
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:44:39 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
I understand that safety and security are an issue. But after
9/11, airlines I think have been treating uss mercilessly bad.
With no mercy, airlines have taken canes away, dug into babies'
bottles, taken diapers off, and so many other violations of
people's privacy. I went to Florida with my hijab on and I had
to have somebody pat me down. No thrills, but still. I don't
particularly like the security checkpoints because of how they
might think of a blind person, somebody who is not WASP (white
Anlgo Saxon Protestant.) After 9/11, some things weren't so
good, such as thhe airline security. Even after that stupid guy
put a bomb in his underwear, there were more security issues.
I'm probably not flying back to Florida after what my parents
did, which was get a security pass without boarding a plane, to
make sure I got home. The airlines have always been a source of
contempt for all of us, so let's think not only about the people
who died, but the repercussions that followed.
Beth
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
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Date sent: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:54:50 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
Thanks Josh,
I think we should take time to reflect on the tragedy and also
be
active.
Vote for whom you believe will
make our country safe and secure. You're right that safety and
security is
an issue as we students head back to campus. Actually, I'm not
a
student
this semester, but will go back for continuing education next
semester at
nova, community college.
I'd suggest you get aquainted with your school's safety/police
office if you
haven't already; know where it is, know what their number is,
and
meet an officer or two. Some schools like mine, marymount
university, just
had security officers.
Know how to reach them as well. If you feel unsafe, walk with
friends back
to your dorm or call a security escort. Many schools offer such
a
service.
At least at MU, after 12 midnight, you had to show an ID to
enter
the dorm;
this is a good thing. And also lock your dorm room, especially
at
night.
If there is a threat or natural disaster, I'd leave fast. Go to
a
friend's
home, family if they're in the area, or a hotel. Just go
somewhere safe.
Safety is a big priority.
Okay, that's my tips for now.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:33 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reflecting on the attacks
Ashley:
Great post!
This has everything to do, with this list, because many blind
students, are probably heading back to college, after being on
vacation.
This security issue is important.
May God bless America.
Blessings, Joshua
On 9/11/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi all,
We all have varying views on how to address safety and
security.
But
somehow, some way, those terrorists got through.
We were attacked a decade ago.
I was finishing a class in high school when I heard the news.
School was
closed the next day. Our school had an assembly where the
choir,
band, and
other groups performed to commemorate 9/11.
I hope that we all take a moment to reflect on it. I will be
praying for
our
country and everyone? safety/security on the anniversary.
I? a Christian so I have faith that we will grow stronger as a
nation. If
you had a loved one impacted by the attack, I hope you
recovered
somewhat
from the tragedy.
Some pray in churches, others are going to public memorials
today and
still
others will do volunteer service to serve the country. If you
are doing
anything different or special, I hope it goes well for you.
Take care.
Ashley
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