[nabs-l] Accessible PDF Documents on the Mac
Marc Workman
mworkman.lists at gmail.com
Mon Sep 19 20:56:21 UTC 2011
PDF reading is another area where I believe the Mac is weak.
You might try saving it as a text document and reading it in text edit or pages.
You could convert it to text with Docuscan plus ($300) or perhaps some other cheaper program I'm not aware of.
Or you could do what I would recommend any blind person getting a Mac do: run windows with either Bootcamp or VMware fusion.
You might try the MacVisionaries list on googlegroups for more suggestions.
Marc
On 2011-09-18, at 4:59 PM, Alex Marositz wrote:
> Hello List
>
> I am hopeful you can help.
>
> I have a very good, accessible PDF version of my textbook. It is
> searchable, correctly paginated, and has a table of contents with several
> layers of bookmarks for easy navigation. I say this because I don't want
> anyone to think this is a problem with the PDF file itself. At home, I have
> a windows based computer I can use Adobe Acrobat Pro to read the file but
> in class, I bring a Mac notebook for taking notes. When I view my textbook
> on the mac using Preview, Voiceover does not recognize many of the text
> characters in the file. For instance, "They" becomes "hey". The errors are
> so frequent, the book is nearly unreadable. There are times when I need to
> refer to the book in class.
>
> Can anyone suggest changes I need to make to Voiceover or Preview to have it
> read correctly. Short of that, can anyone suggest an alternative program
> for reading PDF files on the Mac? So far as I can tell, Adobe Reader is
> inaccessible to Voiceover.
>
> Thank you in advance for your time and attention.
>
> Alex Marositz
> Skype and Twitter: samarositz
>
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> 1. Re: jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010 (Amy Sabo)
> 2. Re: (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010 (Chris Nusbaum)
> 3. Re: docx files on the braillenote (Chris Nusbaum)
> 4. Re: docx files on the braillenote (Chris Nusbaum)
> 5. Re: docx files on the braillenote (Chris Nusbaum)
> 6. Re: for chris (Chris Nusbaum)
> 7. Re: Trouble with Yahoo! (chris nusbaum)
> 8. Fwd: Outlook shortcut key (chris nusbaum)
> 9. nabs High School Committee Presents: Getting ready for the
> school year! (Darian Smith)
> 10. Re: Off Topic Messages (Joshua Lester)
> 11. Re: accessible video games (Josh Gregory)
> 12. Re: Off Topic Messages (Elizabeth)
> 13. Re: accessible video games (Patrick Molloy)
> 14. Re: Trouble with Yahoo! (David Andrews)
> 15. Re: Off Topic Messages (David Andrews)
> 16. Re: accessible video games (David Andrews)
> 17. Re: Off Topic Messages (David Andrews)
> 18. Re: accessible video games (David Andrews)
> 19. Re: Off Topic Messages (chris nusbaum)
> 20. Re: accessible video games (Juan Munoz)
> 21. Re: docx files on the braillenote (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
> 22. Re: Trouble with Yahoo! (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:41:17 -0600
> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010
> Message-ID: <005c01cc7550$3e16b210$ba441630$@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello chris,
>
> Well, I have already solved the problem on my own. I had to add
> this feature to the ribbons. But, thanks anyway for your help
> and, I will talk to you soon.
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 4:19 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010
>
> Hi Amy,
>
> I'm forwarding this to a friend of mine who's helping me with
> Outlook. I believe you have to use the vertual ribbons.
>
> Chris
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>
> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at:
> www.icanfoundation.info for
> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net
> To: "NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS" <NABS-L at NFBNET.ORG
> Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:24:53 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010
>
> Hello all,
>
> I hope that you all are doing well. I need your help. I'm
> trying
> to send a attachment to a document and, I have tried many of the
> hotkeys in using Microsoft 2010 and, I was wondering if any of
> you know how to attach a document as a attachment to a email
> message to send to someone?
>
> Also, does any of you have any other hotkeys/shortcuts for using
> jfw with Microsoft 2010?
>
> Thanks again and, I look forward to hearing from you all soon.
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 16:21:44 -0400
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: NABS list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, amylsabo at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010
> Message-ID: <4e750175.03d7e00a.4542.ffffbde2 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I forwarded Amy's question about Outlook to a friend of mine who
> is an experienced user. Here's what he
> had to say. Hope this helps!
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>
> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at:
> www.icanfoundation.info for
> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ---- Original Message ------
> From: "gary.legates" <gary.legates at comcast.net
> Subject: RE: (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010
> Date sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:50:28 -0400
>
> Hi Chris. Here is how to attach a file. After you have written
> your
> message, or when you are in the edit window, go to the upper
> ribbon and find
> the insert tab. Assuming you are using the jaws virtual ribbon,
> go down
> arrow and then right arrow and it will say "attach file. Hit
> enter on that
> and then shift tab to the folder combo box or type in the path of
> the file
> you want to attach. Then hit enter. The file is attached. If
> you want to
> check on this, you could shift tab once, and you will see between
> the
> subject and the edit window of your message, a tab listing your
> attachment.
> Then, just hit alt s t send the message. You can also send
> yourself a
> carboncoppy of the message if you really want to be sure the file
> attached.
> Hope this helps. If you want to make shortcut keys you can
> always put
> commands you use often on the quick access tool bar. Hope this
> helps. Let
> me know if I can be of further help.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum [mailto:dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 6:19 PM
> To: Gary Legates
> Subject: fw: (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> I'd like to know this too, so can you tell both of us how to
> attach a
> document to an email in Outlook? Thanks!
>
> Chris
>
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ---- Original Message ------
> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net
> Subject: [nabs-l] jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010 Date sent:
> Thu, 15 Sep
> 2011 12:24:53 -0600
>
> Hello all,
>
> I hope that you all are doing well. I need your help. I'm
> trying to send a
> attachment to a document and, I have tried many of the hotkeys in
> using
> Microsoft 2010 and, I was wondering if any of you know how to
> attach a
> document as a attachment to a email message to send to someone?
>
> Also, does any of you have any other hotkeys/shortcuts for using
> jfw with
> Microsoft 2010?
>
> Thanks again and, I look forward to hearing from you all soon.
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 16:47:42 -0400
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
> Message-ID: <4e75078b.cb58340a.0ec0.7045 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> What's funny is you can read DOCX files on another Humanware
> product, namely the Victor Stream, but not on the BrailleNote.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>
> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at:
> www.icanfoundation.info for
> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:45:54 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
>
> Hi All,
> As of now, the BrailleNote does NOT support docx files. It's the
> one
> problem I have with the BrailleNote. I find that the best thing
> to do
> is convert your docx files to .doc files. However, Humanware
> really
> should do something to make reading docx files possible, because
> I
> wonder how much longer .doc will be available?
> Patrick
>
> On 9/15/11, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Hello,
> I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version
> 9.01, does
> support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure
> if you can
> write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good
> thing.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
>
> Hi Vejas,
>
> Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote
> as
> of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb
> drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file.
>
> Chris
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>
> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at:
> www.icanfoundation.info for
> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and
> visually
> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: vejas <brlsurfer at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:14:42 -0700
> Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
>
> Hi All,
> I am having a problem with DOCX files. Today my Spanish teacher
> gave me some files, and two were DOCX, which I can't read. She
> was unable to tell the difference between DOC and DOCX. Do you
> think there is a possible way to open DOCX files, maybe in the
> next version?
> Sincerely,
> Vejas
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 16:47:51 -0400
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
> Message-ID: <4e750794.cb58340a.0ec0.704a at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> They promised that, but I don't think it happened.
>
> Chris
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>
> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at:
> www.icanfoundation.info for
> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:10:11 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
>
> No--I haven't even tried opening .DOCX files with an apex. I
> don't have one
> anyways. But that is what I've heard from a humanware news
> release when the
> new keysoft 9.01 was released for the apex.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
>
> I didn't think it supported that file. Do you speak from
> experience?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Humberto Avila
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:32 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
>
> Hello,
> I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version
> 9.01, does
> support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure
> if you can
> write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good
> thing.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
>
> Hi Vejas,
>
> Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote as
> of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb
> drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file.
>
> Chris
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>
> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at:
> www.icanfoundation.info for
> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: vejas <brlsurfer at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:14:42 -0700
> Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
>
> Hi All,
> I am having a problem with DOCX files. Today my Spanish teacher
> gave me some files, and two were DOCX, which I can't read. She
> was unable to tell the difference between DOC and DOCX. Do you
> think there is a possible way to open DOCX files, maybe in the
> next version?
> Sincerely,
> Vejas
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 16:47:44 -0400
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
> Message-ID: <4e75078d.cb58340a.0ec0.7046 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi Ashley,
>
> It doesn't, except if you convert the DOCX file to a DOC, TXT, or
> RTF file. Humberto, I think you misunderstood.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>
> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at:
> www.icanfoundation.info for
> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:31:33 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
>
> I didn't think it supported that file. Do you speak from
> experience?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Humberto Avila
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:32 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
>
> Hello,
> I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version
> 9.01, does
> support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure
> if you can
> write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good
> thing.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
>
> Hi Vejas,
>
> Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote as
> of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb
> drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file.
>
> Chris
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>
> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at:
> www.icanfoundation.info for
> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: vejas <brlsurfer at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:14:42 -0700
> Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
>
> Hi All,
> I am having a problem with DOCX files. Today my Spanish teacher
> gave me some files, and two were DOCX, which I can't read. She
> was unable to tell the difference between DOC and DOCX. Do you
> think there is a possible way to open DOCX files, maybe in the
> next version?
> Sincerely,
> Vejas
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 16:47:49 -0400
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] for chris
> Message-ID: <4e750792.cb58340a.0ec0.7048 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Great! Hope you find the BN (acronym for BrailleNote, you'll see
> that a lot on that list) list useful.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>
> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at:
> www.icanfoundation.info for
> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: vejas <brlsurfer at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 19:26:47 -0700
> Subject: [nabs-l] for chris
>
> Hi Chris,
> Thank you for telling me about the Braillenote list-serve. I
> signed up the day you told me and sent them my Docx question.
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:01:09 -0400
> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo!
> Message-ID:
> <CABpnAxHb8TEymJ6fTan=PjBb2NsrCExvgp-cV6TC_HRFWRMSyQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi Joshua,
>
> The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of my
> knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, and I
> couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want to
> use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email
> client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible since
> I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is an
> intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about this.
>
> Chris
>
> On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>> Do any of you have a Yahoo account?
>> I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having
> problems.
>> I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I
>> hit enter, but nothing happens.
>> What's going on?
>> Please walk me through this, off list.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
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> om
>>
>
>
> --
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:07:02 -0400
> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Outlook shortcut key
> Message-ID:
> <CABpnAxH9x2M0agu5CKZjche_XJ-1_2=zWLscOFdepYC8R7NrHQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> FYI... for all Outlook users.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "gary.legates" <gary.legates at comcast.net>
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:55:30 -0400
> Subject: RE: (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010
> To: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>
> Hi. I just found a shortcut key. If you want to send a message with a
> blind carbon copy, go I to your message by typing control n, and then type
> alt number 6. Not numpad 6, but number 6. This works for me. It is on the
> quick adcess toolbar, but I am having problems adding items to this. I can
> do it in wrd, but not in outlook.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Nusbaum [mailto:dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 6:19 PM
> To: Gary Legates
> Subject: fw: (nabs-l) JAWS and Outlook 2010
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> I'd like to know this too, so can you tell both of us how to attach a
> document to an email in Outlook? Thanks!
>
> Chris
>
>
> Sent from my BrailleNote
>
> ---- Original Message ------
> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net
> Subject: [nabs-l] jfw 12 with Microsoft outlook 2010 Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep
> 2011 12:24:53 -0600
>
> Hello all,
>
> I hope that you all are doing well. I need your help. I'm trying to send a
> attachment to a document and, I have tried many of the hotkeys in using
> Microsoft 2010 and, I was wondering if any of you know how to attach a
> document as a attachment to a email message to send to someone?
>
> Also, does any of you have any other hotkeys/shortcuts for using jfw with
> Microsoft 2010?
>
> Thanks again and, I look forward to hearing from you all soon.
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
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>
>
>
> --
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:41:02 -0700
> From: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
> Subject: [nabs-l] nabs High School Committee Presents: Getting ready
> for the school year!
> Message-ID:
> <CAEwUdjOwU3PTw4MdD-8ZUjYfEex-=HR4=qxMyg49r8PcERqUrQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Greetings all,
> The following announcement comes from the National Association of
> Blind StudentsHigh School committee, and is for all of you high school
> students out there.
> Are you a high school student?
>
> Are you looking to meet with other blind high school students?
>
> Do you want to develop leadership and learn ways of doing different
> tasks and more about the National Federation of the Blind?
>
> If so, join us as we talk about the basics of starting off a new year
> of high school.
>
> When: Sunday September, 18th at 7:00 p.m Eastern
>
> Where: 712-775-7100? Pass code: 257963
>
> Bre Brown
> High school committee chair
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:21:21 -0500
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages
> Message-ID:
> <CAO83KOscN3POY36K=ty7uMA2+z6CULBmNbfhou6MHnB+C1cg1A at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi, Mr Andrews.
> Would you be willing to help me, in starting a list for us to discuss
> one of the topics, that were being discussed here?
> We need a political talk list, where we can discuss the political
> issues, and how they relate to us, as blind individuals.
> That would be an interesting list idea.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 9/16/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or
>> so has been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list
>> under moderated status until they die out. This means that each
>> message has to be approved by me.
>>
>> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students
>> and for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not
>> for political discussion, advertising internet radio stations,
>> personal messages etc.
>>
>> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of
>> the list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people
>> back on track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing.
>>
>> David Andrews, List Owner
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l:
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> ccua.edu
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:59:32 -0400
> From: Josh Gregory <joshkart12 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games
> Message-ID: <4e741b30.64b1340a.3fa4.ffff9a4f at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Dave,
> I do indeed agree with you, but would like to add this:
> I do not know how many of you can play video games the way they
> are today, and, in some instances, I do agree that some are quite
> inaccessible. However, I do have a nintendo DS and find some of
> the games for this system to be semi-accessible if I am focused
> and pay attention enough to play them, which I do, I'm very into
> these types of things lol. I am a blind individual and play by
> sound and tactile feeling.
>
> Thoughts? Write offlist if you wish.
> Best,
> Josh
>
> sent from my Apex
> Email:joshkart12 at gmail.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:43:21 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games
>
> We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while.
> And
> ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many
> games are
> based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound
> or
> other modalities in the same way.
>
> Dave
>
> At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote:
> Hi All,
> I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in
> the
> back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game
> companies
> even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people?
> Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that
> difficult to
> make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after
> all, and
> there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible
> CAR, why
> not video games? What do others think about this issue?
> Patrick
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 00:10:51 -0400
> From: "Elizabeth" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages
> Message-ID: <COL118-DS5F89212661AF1E0E0A8CDBA090 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it
> should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board
> members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the
> right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own, or
>
> is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this
> matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages
>
>> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so has
>
>> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under
>> moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has to
>> be approved by me.
>>
>> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and
>> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for
>> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal
>> messages etc.
>>
>> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the
>> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on
>> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing.
>>
>> David Andrews, List Owner
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:18:40 -0400
> From: Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games
> Message-ID:
> <CAN+-G_BFA5VrVcRbdMhTrv=_Hq1_e8AhViKynQZkgVn_6=HRgg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should
> at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that
> could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try?
> Patrick
>
> On 9/16/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>> We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And
>> ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are
>> based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or
>> other modalities in the same way.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the
>>> back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies
>>> even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people?
>>> Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to
>>> make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and
>>> there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why
>>> not video games? What do others think about this issue?
>>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:25:11 -0500
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo!
> Message-ID: <auto-000028722868 at mailfront3.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> This is not true, at least with a PC, and up-to-date versions of your
> screen reader and browser.
>
> Dave
>
> At 05:01 PM 9/17/2011, you wrote:
>> Hi Joshua,
>>
>> The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of my
>> knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, and I
>> couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want to
>> use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email
>> client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible since
>> I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is an
>> intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about this.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>> Do any of you have a Yahoo account?
>>> I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having
> problems.
>>> I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I
>>> hit enter, but nothing happens.
>>> What's going on?
>>> Please walk me through this, off list.
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c
> om
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:28:08 -0500
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages
> Message-ID: <auto-000028014073 at mailfront4.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> No, I am not willing, because I don't think it is necessary. Truly
> blindness-related political matters can be discussed on blind talk,
> or nfb talk. However, what most people mean when they say "political
> discussion," is that they want a place to state their right, or left
> views -- something you have already tried to do on nabs-l.
>
> Dave
>
> At 11:21 PM 9/16/2011, you wrote:
>> Hi, Mr Andrews.
>> Would you be willing to help me, in starting a list for us to discuss
>> one of the topics, that were being discussed here?
>> We need a political talk list, where we can discuss the political
>> issues, and how they relate to us, as blind individuals.
>> That would be an interesting list idea.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 9/16/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or
>>> so has been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list
>>> under moderated status until they die out. This means that each
>>> message has to be approved by me.
>>>
>>> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students
>>> and for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not
>>> for political discussion, advertising internet radio stations,
>>> personal messages etc.
>>>
>>> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of
>>> the list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people
>>> back on track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing.
>>>
>>> David Andrews, List Owner
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:30:03 -0500
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games
> Message-ID: <auto-000028723180 at mailfront3.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> There have been various blind persons, over the years, who have
> figured out how to play some video games. If that is what you are in
> too then great -- I applaud your ingenuity. For me -- I don't have
> the time or interest.
>
> Dave
>
> At 10:59 PM 9/16/2011, you wrote:
>> Dave,
>> I do indeed agree with you, but would like to add this:
>> I do not know how many of you can play video games the way they
>> are today, and, in some instances, I do agree that some are quite
>> inaccessible. However, I do have a nintendo DS and find some of
>> the games for this system to be semi-accessible if I am focused and
>> pay attention enough to play them, which I do, I'm very into these
>> types of things lol. I am a blind individual and play by sound and
>> tactile feeling.
>>
>> Thoughts? Write offlist if you wish.
>> Best,
>> Josh
>>
>> sent from my Apex
>> Email:joshkart12 at gmail.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:43:21 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games
>>
>> We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while.
>> And
>> ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are
>> based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or
>> other modalities in the same way.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the
>> back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies
>> even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people?
>> Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to
>> make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and
>> there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why
>> not video games? What do others think about this issue?
>> Patrick
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:31:52 -0500
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages
> Message-ID: <auto-000028014335 at mailfront4.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> The nabs board and other appointed persons, who have watched the list
> over the years have generally been good about keeping things on
> track. However, students are busy, and different people have
> different boiling points. I am there as a backup, as needed, I at
> least skim everything on every list. I try not to get to far behind,
> but sometime do -- as I did with nabs-l this week.
>
> Dave
>
> At 11:10 PM 9/16/2011, you wrote:
>> Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to
>> where it should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the
>> current board members have not done anything publically to steer the
>> list back in the right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate
>> this list on your own, or is there generally someone designated by
>> the board to help you in this matter as well? Any clarification you
>> can provide on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages
>>
>>> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or
>>> so has been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list
>>> under moderated status until they die out. This means that each
>>> message has to be approved by me.
>>>
>>> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of
>>> students and for discussion of blindness-related student
>>> matters. It is not for political discussion, advertising internet
>>> radio stations, personal messages etc.
>>>
>>> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of
>>> the list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people
>>> back on track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing.
>>>
>>> David Andrews, List Owner
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 20:33:43 -0500
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games
> Message-ID: <auto-000028014445 at mailfront4.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> What's the worst that could happen -- they could spend a bunch of
> money on something that is a flop, either it doesn't work, or blind
> people wouldn't buy.
>
> In an ideal world, what you ask would be done, but game makers, for
> the most part are seeing a shrinking business, so they aren't likely
> to take on a no win proposition.
>
> Dave
>
> At 12:18 AM 9/17/2011, you wrote:
>> Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should
>> at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that
>> could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try?
>> Patrick
>>
>> On 9/16/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>> We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And
>>> ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are
>>> based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or
>>> other modalities in the same way.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the
>>>> back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies
>>>> even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people?
>>>> Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to
>>>> make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and
>>>> there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why
>>>> not video games? What do others think about this issue?
>>>> Patrick
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:41:14 -0400
> From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages
> Message-ID:
> <CABpnAxF688o_XhBEgTUC5J5Kb-4mTHHwjfOqUzqn_-t3rN_JeQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi Joshua,
>
> I'd be willing to help you. I have a name for it already,
> blind-politics! I know how to create a Google Group, and can do that
> for you. Of course, though, that would put me as the moderator, so if
> you'd rather be the moderator, I can tell you how to do it. Please
> write me off list.
>
> Chris
>
> On 9/17/11, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Thank you for taking charge in bringing this email list back to where it
>> should be. However, I am also wondering why none of the current board
>> members have not done anything publically to steer the list back in the
>> right direction. Is it typical for you to moderate this list on your own,
> or
>> is there generally someone designated by the board to help you in this
>> matter as well? Any clarification you can provide on this matter would be
>> greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:46 PM
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic Messages
>>
>>> The range and number of off topic messages here in the last week or so
> has
>>>
>>> been astounding. Consequently, I have placed the whole list under
>>> moderated status until they die out. This means that each message has to
>>> be approved by me.
>>>
>>> This list exists to support nabs and state organizations of students and
>>> for discussion of blindness-related student matters. It is not for
>>> political discussion, advertising internet radio stations, personal
>>> messages etc.
>>>
>>> And ... please don't feel you should debate me about the purpose of the
>>> list. I am not trying to be harsh, just trying to get people back on
>>> track. When things stray too far, people start unsubscribing.
>>>
>>> David Andrews, List Owner
>>>
>>>
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>
> --
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:14:35 -0500
> From: Juan Munoz <jcmunoz1989 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible video games
> Message-ID:
> <CAFXz26iOMU=OQzgZzUNv5_adtU2_PmfQL2y4C6tEjd8ZNLv1Vw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi all,
>
> My favorite games are the only games I know for sure I can play, and
> those are fighting games, in particular, Mortal Kombat games. The
> newer versions of these incorporate stereo surroundsound, meaning that
> the location of my fighter is very easy for me to keep track of. I
> grew up with some sight before losing it, and therefore was able to
> play games like Tetris, Super Mario, and 007. I do get nastalgic when
> I hear my nephews play newer versions of my childhood games, and often
> wonder how these could be made accessible without taking away from the
> enjoyment of both blind and sighted players. The only thing I can
> think of is to at least have audible menu options read allowed by
> either human or synthesized speech so that we can customise player
> options, create online accounts on XBOX Live and PSN, etc. Beyond
> this, I've got nothing, but wouldn't that be quite the huge leap
> forward?
>
> Respectfully,
> JC
>
> On 9/17/11, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for all of your thoughts. It seems like game companies should
>> at least try and make their games accessible. What's the worst that
>> could happen? Furthermore, how will we know unless we try?
>> Patrick
>>
>> On 9/16/11, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>> We are just to small a market for it to be worth their while. And
>>> ... in many instances, it just wouldn't be possible. Many games are
>>> based on eye-hand coordination and can't be reproduced with sound or
>>> other modalities in the same way.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 08:00 PM 9/14/2011, you wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> I'm curious to get your thoughts on this question that's been in the
>>>> back of my mind recently: Why haven't mainstream video game companies
>>>> even attempted to make their products accessible to blind people?
>>>> Wouldn't it grow their profits? And would it be all that difficult to
>>>> make a video game accessible? We have described movies, after all, and
>>>> there's the blind driver car. If they can make an accessible CAR, why
>>>> not video games? What do others think about this issue?
>>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
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>
>
> --
> Respectfully,
>
> Juan Carlos Munoz, President
> Texas Association Of Blind Students
> www.nfbtx.org/tabs
> Phone: (832) 378-8632
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:28:44 -0700
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
> Message-ID: <358B2805E4DE42BBA9036130B03F1330 at stanford.edu>
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>
> Yes, that is funny, but comparing BrailleNotes to Victor Streams is like
> comparing apples to oranges.
>
> Nicole
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 1:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
>
>
>> What's funny is you can read DOCX files on another Humanware product,
>> namely the Victor Stream, but not on the BrailleNote.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a
>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of
>> the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>
>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>
>>
>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:45:54 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
>>
>> Hi All,
>> As of now, the BrailleNote does NOT support docx files. It's the one
>> problem I have with the BrailleNote. I find that the best thing to do
>> is convert your docx files to .doc files. However, Humanware really
>> should do something to make reading docx files possible, because I
>> wonder how much longer .doc will be available?
>> Patrick
>>
>> On 9/15/11, Humberto Avila <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I think the latest version of the Braille Note Apex, version 9.01, does
>> support opening and reading .DOCX extention, but not quite sure if you
>> can
>> write .DOCX documents. But, you can open them--which is a good thing.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Chris Nusbaum
>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
>>
>> Hi Vejas,
>>
>> Unfortunately, DOCX files are unsupported with the BrailleNote as
>> of now. The only thing you can do is put the files on a thumb
>> drive or SD card and convert it to a DOC or TXT file.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National
>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.)
>>
>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at:
>> www.icanfoundation.info for
>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>
>>
>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: vejas <brlsurfer at gmail.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:14:42 -0700
>> Subject: [nabs-l] docx files on the braillenote
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I am having a problem with DOCX files. Today my Spanish teacher
>> gave me some files, and two were DOCX, which I can't read. She
>> was unable to tell the difference between DOC and DOCX. Do you
>> think there is a possible way to open DOCX files, maybe in the
>> next version?
>> Sincerely,
>> Vejas
>>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 18:29:47 -0700
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo!
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> How long ago did you have your Yahoo! account?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chris nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Yahoo!
>
>
>> Hi Joshua,
>>
>> The Yahoo Web interface is entirely inaccessible, to the best of my
>> knowledge. I used to have a Yahoo account before I got my Gmail, and I
>> couldn't do anything, not even type an email. If you really want to
>> use Yahoo, you'd have to use Microsoft Outlook or another email
>> client. Has Yahoo changed their Web interface so it's accessible since
>> I switched to Gmail? I believe Nicole Torcolini from this list is an
>> intern at Yahoo, if I'm not mistaken, so she might know about this.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 9/16/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester.
>>> Do any of you have a Yahoo account?
>>> I'm trying to create an E-mail account with Yahoo, but I'm having
>>> problems.
>>> I'm able to do everything, but when I get to "Create my account," I
>>> hit enter, but nothing happens.
>>> What's going on?
>>> Please walk me through this, off list.
>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If
>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can
>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
>> impaired children in MD say "I can!"
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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