[nabs-l] new york advice on apartments

Tue Apr 17 21:52:30 UTC 2012

Someone mentioned suing landlords who discriminate against blind
tenets. The thing is with any discrimination case including employment
or housing is proving that you were discriminated against. Most
employers/landlords would be able to make a possibly convincing
argument in court about why you were not given a lease or position and
it makes it hard to prove conclusively that the reason you were denied
was due to a disability. I imagine that most discrimination cases
never even make it to court and a majority of those never make it to
an actual verdict in favor of the prosecution. Maybe I am just being
cenacle, but that is how I feel about our system.
Bill

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Chrys Buckley <cbuckley at pdx.edu> wrote:
> Hi Keri,
>
> When does school start? You probably have several months to find an
> apartment so don't worry too much. Also, plenty of landlords and potential
> roommates aren't going to care that you're blind. With landlords, what they
> really care about is getting the rent paid on time. With roommates, if you
> decide to go that route (which may not be a bad idea, considering costs of
> NYC living) it can be a little awkward at first but plenty of blind
> students I know (myself included) have shared apartments with roommates and
> had great experiences. Of course, there are always the bad apples and if
> you come across that, just keep looking.
>
> Another idea might be to check with the school. Many schools have resources
> on off-campus housing, boards where people post about apartments or sublets
> or other rental options. If your school doesn't have dorms, there's an even
> greater chance that they do have some off-campus housing resources. Another
> place to check is http://www.places4students.com/ - there you will find
> postings specifically geared towards students and that might feel more
> trustworthy than craigslist.
>
> But at the same time, don't discount craigslist - it's definitely an option
> to investigate. Also, I don't know if NYC has this but I know here in
> Portland we have something called Housing Connections which has listings of
> low-cost apartments. A lot of them accept section 8 but don't require it.
> Most of them simply require proof that your income is below a certain
> amount. So maybe look into whether NYC has something like that.
>
> Also, if you are on any NYC area mailing lists or groups, NFB or otherwise,
> or part of a student group for your school like a facebook page for new
> students or something, these might be places to post that you're looking
> for housing and people might be able to give suggestions of good buildings
> or companies or warn you about the ones that aren't good. The more you put
> the question out there and let people know what you're looking for, the
> more likely it will be that something will come your way.
>
> Good luck! I love NYC and I hope this is the start to a great college
> experience there!
>
> Chrys
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM, keri <wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> this is a college in the middle of the city no room for a dorm.... And not
>> to mention i can't just go to any college.
>>
>> keri
>>
>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want
>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will
>> speak my heart."
>> --Robert Sexton
>>
>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth
>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart
>> somewhere to receive it."
>> --Ivan Panin
>>
>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put
>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" <
>> jlester8462 at students.pccua.**edu <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:19 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments
>>
>>
>>  Wow!
>>> Oral Roberts University has a good Psychology program, in Tulsa, and
>>> they have great dorms!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 4/17/12, keri <wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> my school has no dorms. living on campus isn't an option.
>>>> keri
>>>>
>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want
>>>> to
>>>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will
>>>> speak
>>>> my heart."
>>>> --Robert Sexton
>>>>
>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth
>>>> there
>>>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart
>>>> somewhere to
>>>> receive it."
>>>> --Ivan Panin
>>>>
>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart &
>>>> put it
>>>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.**edu<jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> >
>>>> To: "Misty Dawn Bradley" <MistyDBradley at gmail.com>; "National
>>>> Association of
>>>> Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 1:51 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Also, what about living on campus?
>>>>> Is the boyfriend going to school, too?
>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/17/12, Misty Dawn Bradley <mistydbradley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Keri,
>>>>>> You may also see if there are student apartments that are specifically
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> college students. Some of these may even include utilities in the rent.
>>>>>> Misty
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "keri" <wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:13 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  well when i can actually get to school.... forensic psychology.
>>>>>>> keri
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> speak my heart."
>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth
>>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart
>>>>>>> somewhere to receive it."
>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart &
>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.**edu<jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:08 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I wish you all the best.
>>>>>>>> So, Keri, what's your major?
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/17/12, keri <wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i can't postpone moving to NYC. I have to go to college.
>>>>>>>>> As for section 8 I'll get there eventually but unlike others I know
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> done with out it. It just takes hardwork in dedication, but I don't
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> years to wait for the government to get up and help me.
>>>>>>>>> keri
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I
>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>>> my heart."
>>>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every
>>>>>>>>> truth
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart
>>>>>>>>> somewhere to
>>>>>>>>> receive it."
>>>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart
>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>> put it
>>>>>>>>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Wmodnl" <wmodnl at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:30 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new york advice on apartments
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Good morning.  First, are you on any of the federal housing
>>>>>>>>>> programs
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> section 8?  On your limited income, that is the only way you both
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> able to obtain an apartment on your own.  The other option would be
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> look for roommates to share a place.  Good luck with that, when
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>> you are blind they are going to run! run! run! or never show an
>>>>>>>>>> effort
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> share the place with you.  Forget the fact that there are two of
>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>> I apologize in advance for sounding cynical; however, I want to be
>>>>>>>>>> truthful and not sugar cote the truth.  Landlords in NYC as well as
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> rest of the USA will not want a blind person, let alone 2 b/c of
>>>>>>>>>> liability
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> issues, etc.
>>>>>>>>>> Have a strong presentation, be ready for much rejection.  Also be
>>>>>>>>>> ready
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> be offered many many scams.  Have someone sighted go with you to
>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>> shore that what you are being offered is really the offer.
>>>>>>>>>> I remember someone being open to me and showing no issue to my
>>>>>>>>>> blindness.
>>>>>>>>>> When we saw the apartment, everything seemed great.  However, the
>>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>>> person told me later to not take it since wholes were up high in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> walls, mouse droppings were in the rugs, tiles in the bathroom and
>>>>>>>>>> hallway
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> were missing with exposed pipes and wires.  I called the
>>>>>>>>>> real-estate
>>>>>>>>>> office later thanking them for insulting me as a person and there
>>>>>>>>>> response
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> was one of shock.  The representative said in many words that
>>>>>>>>>> he/she
>>>>>>>>>> wanted me to be grateful for the apartment and that they were
>>>>>>>>>> "willing
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> rent to a blind person"  Good luck, I hope all goes well for you,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> let
>>>>>>>>>> me know what you come up with.  You may want to wait on waiting
>>>>>>>>>> lists
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> apartments through HUD or other programs and postpone your move to
>>>>>>>>>> NYC
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a good number of years.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> William O'Donnell, distributor
>>>>>>>>>> Organo Gold Enterprises, INC.
>>>>>>>>>> www.willsholistics.organogold.**com<http://www.willsholistics.organogold.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 1:34 PM, "keri" <wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  greetings,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My bf and I are about to move into an apartment in the New York
>>>>>>>>>>> City
>>>>>>>>>>> area.... We both live on SSI for the time being... We are in need
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> apartment recommendations that we can aford... We are both college
>>>>>>>>>>> students. We prefer Statin Island but are open to suggestions in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> city
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> area.
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> keri
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>> to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my
>>>>>>>>>>> eyes
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> speak my heart."
>>>>>>>>>>> --Robert Sexton
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every
>>>>>>>>>>> truth
>>>>>>>>>>> there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a
>>>>>>>>>>> heart
>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere to receive it."
>>>>>>>>>>> --Ivan Panin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered
>>>>>>>>>>> heart
>>>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his.
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