[nabs-l] citing APA style

Wed Apr 25 22:16:26 UTC 2012

Antonio,
Actually, I don't think the professor is laid back. Josh said he had to 
cite, but he could choose APA or MLA; either, as long as it was done.
So IMO this attitude was uncalled for. People have preferences and Josh was 
voicing his. Some professors let us  pick the citation style. So its not 
something unique to Josh's professor.  Citations with all their requirements 
like comma after  volume number and period here and there are precise. So it’s 
a good idea to ask a reader to look at it or someone else. Many students do 
this if they are unsure how to cite or just need help. My school offers a 
tutoring service free for students; the tutors are students themselves who 
are in excellent academic standing.
I have not done this. I use a reader instead usually in addition to 
reviewing the format with jaws.  In my case, I'm pretty good with 
italicizing the right stuff but just need to learn where it goes since as I 
said APA  rules keep changing. The directions many of you gave were great so 
now I know more about formatting citations.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Antonio Guimaraes
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:49 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style

Hello Jush,

I hate to break it to you but your laid back professor is doing more
harm than good.

If you are writing academic papers, you will be required to cite your
sources, and format properly. I suspect the class does not require
research, and therefore does not call for formatting.

Turn in a paper full of misspelled words, and poorly written sentenses,
and you may find out how much this professor does care. If he does not,
he's the one that should be gone from teaching.

Now, I hate taxes, I hate polution, I hate discrimination, I hate many
things I guess. Dislike is more accurate. One of the things on the list
of dislikes is citing work in my papers. But this is a required skill of
college work. We must learn to cite either from memory or from referring
to a style book. There is no getting around it, and no excuse for
getting away with not doing it.

That is not to say we don't use a variety of ways toaccomplish the task.
One strategy I use is to write out a sheet in braille listing and giving
examples of how to cite correctly. In this way I need not learn the
skill from some web source each time I write a paper. I simply review my
notes on it.

I write my papers. I put my parenthetical notations in, and write my
works cited page. I do not format the final draft. I pay a reader to
spend 10 minutes with me and the paper, and format the thing. The reader
does things I probably could learn to do myself, like hang indent
entries on the works cited page.

10 minutes. Email the paper to the reader, call her up on the phone, ask
how the paper looks, and instruct her to make minor tweaks, save, and
send it back to me.

This works for me, and I find it time and money well-spent. Not to
mention I can run the work by another reader, and get some feedback like
Ashley suggested.

I would call this a short cut, and it is one I will likely take through
most of my paper-writing career.

I hate to break the news, but many presentations given by academics have
been assembled by an administrative assistants.

After all, the professor, researcher, or presenter's job it to think and
communicate the message, not to be fussing with powerpoint, Word, or
some other tool.

These are just my thoughts, so I am not citing any other source in this
message.

Now cite often, and cite well.

Antonio

On 4/23/2012 11:32 PM, Joshua Lester wrote:
> I like the instructor, at my college, now.
> He doesn't care, if a paper is done, in APA, or MLA, just as long as
> it gets done.
> He's very laid back, and he's very accomidating!
> Blessings, Joshua
> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>  wrote:
>
>> Arielle,
>> Well then I'm alright then; I've cited journal articles the same way I do 
>> a
>> real print source. Thing is the electronic example said retrieved from 
>> some
>> url; but I'm not going to worry about it; after all, I gave credit to the
>> source and it technically is a print source.
>> I, too, like APA better because you don't have to give first and last 
>> names,
>> and as you said no page numbers where you got the exact info. This is 
>> nicer
>> to deal with when writing the paper.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Arielle Silverman
>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:33 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style
>>
>> I always cite journal articles the same way regardless of how I found
>> them. The only time I use the "retrieved from" is if I am citing a
>> website that has no print equivalent, i.e. "Disability Compendium
>> 2012".
>> While you are learning APA format, you may want to change your JAWS
>> voice settings so your punctuation is on most or total. Just do it
>> while you are looking at examples, then switch it back.
>> Since I am a psychology student, I switched completely from MLA to APA
>> style during college and overall I like APA much better. I think
>> that's mostly because with APA style you don't have to include an
>> exact page number in your in-text citation, just the author's name and
>> year. This works much better especially when reading sources
>> electronically.. The only time you need to use a page number is when
>> citing an exact quote.
>> Best,
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, thanks Katie and Gret; great descriptions.
>>> I have trouble learning this because of the punctuation and formatting 
>>> and
>>> the fact that citation style changes. As you get used to some rules, 
>>> they
>>> change it again! Before title of articles were in quotes.  So the
>>> parentheses is for
>>> issue number in this latest  APA style.
>>>
>>> One more thing, if you get the article from a database that is also a
>>> print
>>> source, what do you say? Do you put retrieved from psychinfo or 
>>> something.
>>>
>>> I
>>> do not have urls since the articles are pdfs so they look like the
>>> original
>>> journal article.
>>> I'm citing the articles like print sources since that is what the
>>> description says; I've also looked at the Purdue OWL site, but you add
>>> something for electronic sources.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Katie Wang
>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:37 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style
>>>
>>> Hi Ashley,
>>>
>>> I understand that formatting citations can be a little annoying at
>>> first, but after you learn the conventions you should be able to
>>> format all your APA references independently. I'm not sure if you know
>>> this already, but you can get JAWS to read you the formatting of any
>>> selected section of the text by pressing Insert plus f.
>>>
>>> To answer your specific questions, the journal title and volume number
>>> need to be italicized, and issue number should come in parentheses
>>> after the volume number. Also note that you should apply a hanging
>>> indent to your reference list-- In other words, the second and
>>> subsequent lines of each reference should be indented from the left
>>> margin by the width of a tab. Hope this helps and feel free to let me
>>> know if you have any other questions about APA style-- I'm a
>>> Psychology graduate student and have been doing this for a while.
>>> Katie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> gee, Josh, lots of people hate formatting. Its just a little harder for
>>>> us
>>>> since we cannot see it so someone has to tell us.
>>>> It used to be that you put the article in quotes and underlined book or
>>>> chapter titles.From what I can see so far, this is no longer the case.
>>>> You start it the same though. Just do not put quotes or underlines; its
>>>> still author's name, date in parenthesis, title of article or book, 
>>>> title
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>> journal. then not sure.
>>>>
>>>> I'll ask someone sighted yeah, but I need to learn. I can certainly 
>>>> bold
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> italic something if I know what need  to be bolded/italiacized.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:52 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] citing APA style
>>>>
>>>> I've always hated APA format!
>>>> It's very confusing!
>>>> My Freshmen English instructor made us use it, so I had a sighted
>>>> work-study help me format it.
>>>> I'd recommend this, as well.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 4/23/12, Ashley Bramlett<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m struggling with the citation style as usual. Jaws doesn’t tell me
>>>>> the
>>>>> formatting of the words and I went word by word to hear punctuation in
>>>>> the
>>>>> sample reference entry I looked up.  I do have to alphabetize them,
>>>>> right?
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> know you do in MLA.
>>>>>
>>>>> How Do I format the Journal title and title of article? Do I put 
>>>>> italics
>>>>> or
>>>>> anything on it? Before there were quotes around the title of article,
>>>>> but
>>>>> when I looked online now, there are none.
>>>>> How do I site the volume number and issue? The sample says number and 
>>>>> a
>>>>> parenthese number. I’m confused. I know I site the page number range
>>>>> after
>>>>> this. Like do I write Journal of Adolescent psychology, 3 (24) and the 
>>>>> 3
>>>>> is
>>>>> volume number and 24 is issue number?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Ashley
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