[nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones

Patricia bcsarah.fan at gmail.com
Tue Feb 14 19:43:22 UTC 2012


Hi everyone,

I haven't read the article but I agree with Arielle. Braille should
not be pitted against technology. I think both have their place in our
world and can be used in conjunction. In fact, as someone who wasn't
the greatest braille reader as a child )(still having learned it at
the age of 5 and having moved relatively quickly to technology by the
age of 9), I have never had a time in my life where I have used
braille more. Granted, most of the time I am viewing it via a braille
display, but I am very fortunate to have all of the braille tools at
my disposal should I need them  (embosser, perkins, braille display,
and slate and stylus which unfortunately I was never taught to use as
a child and I am still not proficient with). Like Arielle I do most of
my reading via speech so as to get through it quickly being a student
and having a lot of material to get through in a short period of time.
However, I still read braille when editing research papers, reading
song lyrics for choir, in class while taking notes, for leisure
reading (where I prefer hard copy braille), and when making
presentations. Often times presentation notes I will physically
braille them out on the perkins as opposed to embossing as I am living
on campus in a small area where I don't have room for an embosser on
top of all the other technology I have. In addition, a sighted friend
has taken interest in braille so the two of us write notes with our
slates which is giving me motivation to become more proficient and to
practice this relatively new way of writing. I am also keeping up my
braille skill by assisting a friend with low vision who is struggling
to read print by teaching him what  I can with the assistance of
online resources.

So with all that said, I am definitely finding a way to balance
braille and technology, and really don't think that I could survive
without either in my life.

Patricia


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>    3. Re: Creating a powerpoint (Ashley Bramlett)
>    4. Re: Audio Access FM Pays Tribute To	The
>       LateWhitneyHoustonTonight (Amy Sabo)
>    5. Re: IT concepts and diagrams (Andi)
>    6. Re: IT concepts and diagrams (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
>    7. Re: IT concepts and diagrams (Ashley Bramlett)
>    8. FW: [nfb-talk] Fw: bbc article on Braille (Humberto Avila)
>    9. Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones (Anjelina)
>   10. Re: Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>       (Joshua Lester)
>   11. Braille Embossers (Joshua Lester)
>   12. Re: Braille Embossers (Ashley Bramlett)
>   13. Re: Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>       (Ashley Bramlett)
>   14. Re: Braille Embossers (Joshua Lester)
>   15. Re: Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>       (Joshua Lester)
>   16. Re: Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>       (Julie McGinnity)
>   17. Re: Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>       (Joshua Lester)
>   18. Re: Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>       (Arielle Silverman)
>   19. Re: Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>       (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
>   20. Re: Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>       (Joshua Lester)
>   21. Re: Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>       (Rania Ismail CMT)
>   22. Re: Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>       (Rania Ismail CMT)
>   23. Re: Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>       (jonathan franks)
>   24. KNFB Reader question (Justin Young)
>   25. Re: Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>       (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:36:27 -0500
> From: Winona <trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> 	list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Creating a powerpoint
> Message-ID: <4f39909c.e391ec0a.1bb6.7c7b at mx.google.com>
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> Ok.  I think I have 2007.  Because I have microsoft 2007.
>
> Winona
>
> trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com
>
>  "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it.  For
> every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it.  For every love
> there is a heart somewhere to receive it."
> -Ivan Panin
>
> "Success is peace of mind which is the direct result of
> self-satisfaction in knowing you did your best to become the best
> you are capable of becoming." - John Wooden
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:49:10 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Creating a powerpoint
>
> office 2010 is not as user friendly.  Theanimations and slide
> transitions are
> not named.  Jaws will just say background 1, 2 etc.  You will
> need sighted
> assistance to know what it is showing unless you have vision;
> before, at
> least it  had names.  like fire ball background for a bright red
> with white
> text or waterfall for a blue background.
>
> Its doable still but yeah not as easy.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brianna Scerenscko
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Creating a powerpoint
>
> If you have Office 2010, making a power point may be a little
> difficult.  In
> my experience, that version of Microsoft Office Power Point is
> not user
> friendly.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 12, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Nallym Bravo <nbrav003 at fiu.edu>
> wrote:
>
>  Hi Winona,
>
>  I still have an old version of Office, 2003 to be exact, so I'm
> not
>  sure how relevant this will be for you, but I found this
> resource
>  extremely helpful when I first had to do PowerPoint
> presentations:
>
>
> http://www.utexas.edu/disability/ai/resource/tutorials_classes/JA
> WS/ppt_overview.htm
>
>  I hope it's a helpful starting point.  Good luck, powerpoints
> can be a
>  little intimidating at first, but I'm sure you'll be a pro in no
> time!
>
>  Best,
>  Nallym Bravo
>
>  On 2/12/12, Winona <trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Hi everyone,
>
>  For a few assignments in a couple of my classes, I have to make
> a
>  powerpoint.  I have absolutely no idea how to do that.  I have
>  JAWS 10.  Does anyone know how to create a powerpoint? The
>  teachers also want pictures for each slide.  So I will have to
>  get someone sighted to help me with that part.
>
>  Thanks for all your help in advance.
>
>  Winona
>
>  trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com
>
>  "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it.  For
>  every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it.  For every
> love
>  there is a heart somewhere to receive it."
>  -Ivan Panin
>
>  "Success is peace of mind which is the direct result of
>  self-satisfaction in knowing you did your best to become the
> best
>  you are capable of becoming." - John Wooden
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:48:44 -0600
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
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> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Creating a powerpoint
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> Hi, Winona.
> I never liked powerpoints, myself.
> I always had sighted help, in college.
> Please E-mail me offlist, and we can discuss my experience.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 2/13/12, Winona <trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok.  I think I have 2007.  Because I have microsoft 2007.
>>
>> Winona
>>
>> trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com
>>
>>  "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it.  For
>> every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it.  For every love
>> there is a heart somewhere to receive it."
>> -Ivan Panin
>>
>> "Success is peace of mind which is the direct result of
>> self-satisfaction in knowing you did your best to become the best
>> you are capable of becoming." - John Wooden
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:49:10 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Creating a powerpoint
>>
>> office 2010 is not as user friendly.  Theanimations and slide
>> transitions are
>> not named.  Jaws will just say background 1, 2 etc.  You will
>> need sighted
>> assistance to know what it is showing unless you have vision;
>> before, at
>> least it  had names.  like fire ball background for a bright red
>> with white
>> text or waterfall for a blue background.
>>
>> Its doable still but yeah not as easy.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brianna Scerenscko
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:32 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Creating a powerpoint
>>
>> If you have Office 2010, making a power point may be a little
>> difficult.  In
>> my experience, that version of Microsoft Office Power Point is
>> not user
>> friendly.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Nallym Bravo <nbrav003 at fiu.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Winona,
>>
>>  I still have an old version of Office, 2003 to be exact, so I'm
>> not
>>  sure how relevant this will be for you, but I found this
>> resource
>>  extremely helpful when I first had to do PowerPoint
>> presentations:
>>
>>
>> http://www.utexas.edu/disability/ai/resource/tutorials_classes/JA
>> WS/ppt_overview.htm
>>
>>  I hope it's a helpful starting point.  Good luck, powerpoints
>> can be a
>>  little intimidating at first, but I'm sure you'll be a pro in no
>> time!
>>
>>  Best,
>>  Nallym Bravo
>>
>>  On 2/12/12, Winona <trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Hi everyone,
>>
>>  For a few assignments in a couple of my classes, I have to make
>> a
>>  powerpoint.  I have absolutely no idea how to do that.  I have
>>  JAWS 10.  Does anyone know how to create a powerpoint? The
>>  teachers also want pictures for each slide.  So I will have to
>>  get someone sighted to help me with that part.
>>
>>  Thanks for all your help in advance.
>>
>>  Winona
>>
>>  trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com
>>
>>  "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it.  For
>>  every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it.  For every
>> love
>>  there is a heart somewhere to receive it."
>>  -Ivan Panin
>>
>>  "Success is peace of mind which is the direct result of
>>  self-satisfaction in knowing you did your best to become the
>> best
>>  you are capable of becoming." - John Wooden
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:05:04 -0500
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Creating a powerpoint
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> Hi,
> Then the ribbon bar is still there. You press alt to get to it and tab to
> what you need; I think its called slide design tab or something like that.
> Your teacher will be able to tell you what to look for.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Winona
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 5:36 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Creating a powerpoint
>
> Ok.  I think I have 2007.  Because I have microsoft 2007.
>
> Winona
>
> trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com
>
> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it.  For
> every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it.  For every love
> there is a heart somewhere to receive it."
> -Ivan Panin
>
> "Success is peace of mind which is the direct result of
> self-satisfaction in knowing you did your best to become the best
> you are capable of becoming." - John Wooden
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:49:10 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Creating a powerpoint
>
> office 2010 is not as user friendly.  Theanimations and slide
> transitions are
> not named.  Jaws will just say background 1, 2 etc.  You will
> need sighted
> assistance to know what it is showing unless you have vision;
> before, at
> least it  had names.  like fire ball background for a bright red
> with white
> text or waterfall for a blue background.
>
> Its doable still but yeah not as easy.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brianna Scerenscko
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Creating a powerpoint
>
> If you have Office 2010, making a power point may be a little
> difficult.  In
> my experience, that version of Microsoft Office Power Point is
> not user
> friendly.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 12, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Nallym Bravo <nbrav003 at fiu.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Winona,
>
> I still have an old version of Office, 2003 to be exact, so I'm
> not
> sure how relevant this will be for you, but I found this
> resource
> extremely helpful when I first had to do PowerPoint
> presentations:
>
>
> http://www.utexas.edu/disability/ai/resource/tutorials_classes/JA
> WS/ppt_overview.htm
>
> I hope it's a helpful starting point.  Good luck, powerpoints
> can be a
> little intimidating at first, but I'm sure you'll be a pro in no
> time!
>
> Best,
> Nallym Bravo
>
> On 2/12/12, Winona <trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> For a few assignments in a couple of my classes, I have to make
> a
> powerpoint.  I have absolutely no idea how to do that.  I have
> JAWS 10.  Does anyone know how to create a powerpoint? The
> teachers also want pictures for each slide.  So I will have to
> get someone sighted to help me with that part.
>
> Thanks for all your help in advance.
>
> Winona
>
> trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com
>
> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it.  For
> every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it.  For every
> love
> there is a heart somewhere to receive it."
> -Ivan Panin
>
> "Success is peace of mind which is the direct result of
> self-satisfaction in knowing you did your best to become the
> best
> you are capable of becoming." - John Wooden
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:07:21 -0700
> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Audio Access FM Pays Tribute To	The
> 	LateWhitneyHoustonTonight
> Message-ID: <00b101cceaa4$3dd0ec20$b972c460$@comcast.net>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Thanks chris for the update and suggestion for making people
> subscribe to the announcements list for the station. Anyway,
> things will happen to those who wait! Thanks for suggesting this
> chris and, I will talk to you all soon.
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 6:00 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Audio Access FM Pays Tribute To The
> LateWhitneyHoustonTonight
>
> Hi Nicole and Ashley,
>
> Yes, he archives some of his shows.  However, nothing has been
> added to the station's archive page in a while.  I would suggest
> subscribing to the Audio Access FM announcements list by going to
> www.audioaccessfm.com and clicking on the "subscribe to our
> announcements list) link.
>
> Chris
>
> Chris Nusbaum
> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID:
> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:33:02 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Audio Access FM Pays Tribute To The
> LateWhitneyHoustonTonight
>
> Nicole,
> In the past he archived his shows.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 7:19 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Audio Access FM Pays Tribute To The Late
> WhitneyHoustonTonight
>
> Will this be recorded? I need to know like now because there is
> less than an hour left before it starts.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Dunphy" <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 12:09 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Audio Access FM Pays Tribute To The Late
> Whitney HoustonTonight
>
>
>  Hi Everyone!
>  As some of you may have heard, another major pop icon died last
> night,
>  when Whitny Houston's body was discovered in a Hollywood hotel.
>  While there's much speculation, it would appear she committed
> suicide
>  and/or overdosed on drugs, which have always been apart of her
> life.
>  So tonight, because of her elite pop status, we'll be putting
> the dramatic
>  raadio on hold, to present a tribute toto her, starting at 8 PM
> eastern.
>  We'll begin with a moment of silence, followed by two
> biographical looks
>  at her life.  The first is about her; the second deals with her
> and her
>  relationship with Bobby Brown.
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> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:03:33 -0500
> From: "Andi" <adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
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> Well the puffy paint is an option if the disabilities servuses will make the
> diagrams ahead of time this would have to be coordinated with the prof, but
> the problem with puffy paint is it only works for symple depictions and
> concepts more complecated ones need some different looking things to
> represent different items.  I just thought the puffy paint was a quick fix
> for simple things but if it is more complicated it gets jumbled at least to
> me.  That is why I suggested the map making kit but I am having trouble
> finding it.  Perkins sells what they call a complete drawing kit but it
> isn't the same thing.  I am still looking for the other thing which I think
> would help you more but hear is the link to the perkins tactal drawing kit
> let me know if it might help.
> https://secure2.convio.net/psb/site/Ecommerce/929921530?VIEW_PRODUCT=true&product_id=1326&store_id=1101
> I am sorry I can't remember who makes the tactal map making kit I promis I
> am still looking.  Does anyone ellse know what I am talking about?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:51 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
>
> thanks Greg; considering I need to take the paper home, I probably will
> choose something else; I cannot let it sit there and dry that long.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Aikens
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:42 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
>
> Puff paint takes about 4 hours to dry.
>
> -Greg
>
> On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Andi wrote:
>
>> As for the puffy paint that is what I am refering to, I don't remember how
>>
>> long it takes to dry sorry maybe some one ellse knows.  The map kit well
>> it is sort of what I am talking about but it is more involved.  The map
>> kit does have the rubber mat and the tooles with the wheels, but there are
>>
>> many wheeled tools maybe six or eight diferent types of lines, and there
>> are mettle plates with different textures that you lay under the paper
>> then take a flat tool and rub it the paper then takes on this texture in
>> the places you rub.  There are also these things that resemble tongs but
>> the ends have different markings you put the tong like thing on either
>> side of the paper and use a stamper to press down and get arrows dots  and
>>
>> other symbles.  I think there is more in the kit but I can't remember
>> everything it is pretty useful.  I will try to find a link to where you
>> can by it but I don't remember where I got it from any more so I will get
>> back to you unless someone ellse knows.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:23 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
>>
>> Andi,
>> Thanks. How long does it take puffy paint to dry? I assume you mean the
>> kind
>> at general craft  stores.
>>
>> For products for us, I've seen the raised line kit that has a rubber board
>> and you place a film covering over it and draw with a special pen it comes
>> with.
>> I don't think that is what you're refering to.
>> Is this a kit with a tracing wheel? I think I saw something like this
>> years
>> ago with my vi teacher.
>> The kit she used required you to draw backwards and she used braille paper
>> for the drawings.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Andi
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:10 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
>>
>> Puffy paint is one option, or there is this wonderful thing cald a map kit
>> and it has all sorts of different tools for making different texture for
>> lines and grids and sections of a picture.  It is kind of expencive but
>> your
>> place of learnings disabilities department could perchase it and make the
>> diagrams for you.  It comes with thin mettal sheets to draw on but you can
>> also use brail paper.  The biggest problem is you have to draw backwards
>> but
>> I am sure some one in the department will be able to figure it out or if
>> you
>> are able you can use it to.  I myself always have trouble with the
>> backwards
>> part but if you are good with slate and stilest that shouldn't be a
>> problem.
>>
>> Andi
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:13 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> So I am in this IT class which is an introduction to computer concepts. We
>> go over what is in a compputer, how it runs and
>> the Office suite.
>>
>> We just did the information processing cycle. My professor is really
>> helping
>> me out during office hours. She even brought in parts of a computer.
>> So I got to feel part of a motherboard and hard drive! Wow, I never knew
>> hard drives had those round stackable disks. The book had pictures of
>> these
>> parts. Since I could not see them well, she thought it would be a great
>> idea
>> for me to have hands on exposure.
>>
>> Many diagrams are in the book; like every other page. And I?m not
>> exaggerating. The book is named Computers: understanding technology. So if
>> anyone used it, you know what its about. It?s a pretty good book about
>> what
>> is in a computer overall; it even explains the function of a mouse and
>> keyboard even though everyone knows what they do. We just finished
>> covering
>> the information processing cycle and now we are on software programs.
>> Anyway, I?m thinking of ways to see these pictures or better visualize
>> them.
>> I have some vision so I thought of using those dark 20/20 pens but to my
>> knowledge they are not in color; I want something in color. Hmm. Maybe Mr
>> sketch markers; although I don?t want something that thick. I want
>> something
>> like a 20/20 pen in color; like basic colors such as red and green.
>> What can I do for tactile graphics?
>>
>> What are other ways to create tactile diagrams? Any tape you found good? I
>> don?t want to use wiki sticks.
>> My professor describes the concept or picture to me; for instance if there
>> are arrows, she explains what its pointing to. But sometimes IMO I?d like
>> a
>> diagram of stuff.
>> Maybe I should buy that graph paper from APH to discuss cells so I can
>> understand that spatial relationship when we do excell.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:10:51 -0800
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
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> Can you please explain why you don't want to use wiki sticks? I might be
> wrong, but they work well for on the fly diagram creation, and you don't
> have to make the picture backwards like you have to with most kits.
> Also, I have a rubber mat and plastic paper. I ran out of the original
> plastic paper, so I use the plastic paper that is on the outside of printer
> paper packages. If you draw with a pen or other point on the plastic paper
> on the mat, it will make the line rise up. I like this better than drawing
> backwards. Finally, if someone makes pictures for you, there is a special
> paper that you can buy that raises up when exposed to heat. My aide in
> secondary school had a heat pen.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 2:13 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
>
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> So I am in this IT class which is an introduction to computer concepts. We
>>
>> go over what is in a compputer, how it runs and
>> the Office suite.
>>
>> We just did the information processing cycle. My professor is really
>> helping me out during office hours. She even brought in parts of a
>> computer.
>> So I got to feel part of a motherboard and hard drive! Wow, I never knew
>> hard drives had those round stackable disks. The book had pictures of
>> these parts. Since I could not see them well, she thought it would be a
>> great idea for me to have hands on exposure.
>>
>> Many diagrams are in the book; like every other page. And I?m not
>> exaggerating. The book is named Computers: understanding technology. So if
>>
>> anyone used it, you know what its about. It?s a pretty good book about
>> what is in a computer overall; it even explains the function of a mouse
>> and keyboard even though everyone knows what they do. We just finished
>> covering the information processing cycle and now we are on software
>> programs.
>> Anyway, I?m thinking of ways to see these pictures or better visualize
>> them. I have some vision so I thought of using those dark 20/20 pens but
>> to my knowledge they are not in color; I want something in color. Hmm.
>> Maybe Mr sketch markers; although I don?t want something that thick. I
>> want something like a 20/20 pen in color; like basic colors such as red
>> and green.
>> What can I do for tactile graphics?
>>
>> What are other ways to create tactile diagrams? Any tape you found good? I
>>
>> don?t want to use wiki sticks.
>> My professor describes the concept or picture to me; for instance if there
>>
>> are arrows, she explains what its pointing to. But sometimes IMO I?d like
>> a diagram of stuff.
>> Maybe I should buy that graph paper from APH to discuss cells so I can
>> understand that spatial relationship when we do excell.
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:22:06 -0500
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
> Message-ID: <66262D33F7E34FA3981F1961849FED0A at OwnerPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
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> Andi,
> Maybe you're refering to the tactile drawing kit from APH. They also make a
> velgrow board called a Wheatley kit, but thisn't what you're refering to.
> There's no way the disability office would make diagrams/pictures for me.
> They don't seem too helpful. I suppose I could ask though to be sure.
> I'll look at that link. I'd prefer something that we don't have to draw
> backwards with. I'm thinking  of tape and a combo of other things; only not
> sure what they are yet.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andi
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:03 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
>
> Well the puffy paint is an option if the disabilities servuses will make the
> diagrams ahead of time this would have to be coordinated with the prof, but
> the problem with puffy paint is it only works for symple depictions and
> concepts more complecated ones need some different looking things to
> represent different items.  I just thought the puffy paint was a quick fix
> for simple things but if it is more complicated it gets jumbled at least to
> me.  That is why I suggested the map making kit but I am having trouble
> finding it.  Perkins sells what they call a complete drawing kit but it
> isn't the same thing.  I am still looking for the other thing which I think
> would help you more but hear is the link to the perkins tactal drawing kit
> let me know if it might help.
> https://secure2.convio.net/psb/site/Ecommerce/929921530?VIEW_PRODUCT=true&product_id=1326&store_id=1101
> I am sorry I can't remember who makes the tactal map making kit I promis I
> am still looking.  Does anyone ellse know what I am talking about?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:51 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
>
> thanks Greg; considering I need to take the paper home, I probably will
> choose something else; I cannot let it sit there and dry that long.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Aikens
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:42 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
>
> Puff paint takes about 4 hours to dry.
>
> -Greg
>
> On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Andi wrote:
>
>> As for the puffy paint that is what I am refering to, I don't remember how
>>
>> long it takes to dry sorry maybe some one ellse knows.  The map kit well
>> it is sort of what I am talking about but it is more involved.  The map
>> kit does have the rubber mat and the tooles with the wheels, but there are
>>
>> many wheeled tools maybe six or eight diferent types of lines, and there
>> are mettle plates with different textures that you lay under the paper
>> then take a flat tool and rub it the paper then takes on this texture in
>> the places you rub.  There are also these things that resemble tongs but
>> the ends have different markings you put the tong like thing on either
>> side of the paper and use a stamper to press down and get arrows dots  and
>>
>> other symbles.  I think there is more in the kit but I can't remember
>> everything it is pretty useful.  I will try to find a link to where you
>> can by it but I don't remember where I got it from any more so I will get
>> back to you unless someone ellse knows.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:23 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
>>
>> Andi,
>> Thanks. How long does it take puffy paint to dry? I assume you mean the
>> kind
>> at general craft  stores.
>>
>> For products for us, I've seen the raised line kit that has a rubber board
>> and you place a film covering over it and draw with a special pen it comes
>> with.
>> I don't think that is what you're refering to.
>> Is this a kit with a tracing wheel? I think I saw something like this
>> years
>> ago with my vi teacher.
>> The kit she used required you to draw backwards and she used braille paper
>> for the drawings.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Andi
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:10 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
>>
>> Puffy paint is one option, or there is this wonderful thing cald a map kit
>> and it has all sorts of different tools for making different texture for
>> lines and grids and sections of a picture.  It is kind of expencive but
>> your
>> place of learnings disabilities department could perchase it and make the
>> diagrams for you.  It comes with thin mettal sheets to draw on but you can
>> also use brail paper.  The biggest problem is you have to draw backwards
>> but
>> I am sure some one in the department will be able to figure it out or if
>> you
>> are able you can use it to.  I myself always have trouble with the
>> backwards
>> part but if you are good with slate and stilest that shouldn't be a
>> problem.
>>
>> Andi
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:13 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] IT concepts and diagrams
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> So I am in this IT class which is an introduction to computer concepts. We
>> go over what is in a compputer, how it runs and
>> the Office suite.
>>
>> We just did the information processing cycle. My professor is really
>> helping
>> me out during office hours. She even brought in parts of a computer.
>> So I got to feel part of a motherboard and hard drive! Wow, I never knew
>> hard drives had those round stackable disks. The book had pictures of
>> these
>> parts. Since I could not see them well, she thought it would be a great
>> idea
>> for me to have hands on exposure.
>>
>> Many diagrams are in the book; like every other page. And I?m not
>> exaggerating. The book is named Computers: understanding technology. So if
>> anyone used it, you know what its about. It?s a pretty good book about
>> what
>> is in a computer overall; it even explains the function of a mouse and
>> keyboard even though everyone knows what they do. We just finished
>> covering
>> the information processing cycle and now we are on software programs.
>> Anyway, I?m thinking of ways to see these pictures or better visualize
>> them.
>> I have some vision so I thought of using those dark 20/20 pens but to my
>> knowledge they are not in color; I want something in color. Hmm. Maybe Mr
>> sketch markers; although I don?t want something that thick. I want
>> something
>> like a 20/20 pen in color; like basic colors such as red and green.
>> What can I do for tactile graphics?
>>
>> What are other ways to create tactile diagrams? Any tape you found good? I
>> don?t want to use wiki sticks.
>> My professor describes the concept or picture to me; for instance if there
>> are arrows, she explains what its pointing to. But sometimes IMO I?d like
>> a
>> diagram of stuff.
>> Maybe I should buy that graph paper from APH to discuss cells so I can
>> understand that spatial relationship when we do excell.
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:25:19 -0800
> From: "Humberto Avila" <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
> To: <blindTlk at nfbnet.org>,	<nabs-l at nfbNet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [nfb-talk] Fw: bbc article on Braille
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Ed Meskys
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 6:04 PM
> To: nhblind-talk; nfb-talk; nfbnh-news
> Subject: [nfb-talk] Fw: bbc article on Braille
>
> To: Ed Meskys
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:50 PM
> Subject: bbc article on Braille
>
>
> >From bbc.co.uk
>
> Braille is spreading but who's using it?
>
> By Damon Rose BBC News
>
> Thanks to changed regulations Braille is spreading but do most blind people
> actually use the language of dots?
>
> It's been around for 200 years but you may only recently have noticed
> Braille in everyday usage.
>
> If you've had your eyes, or fingers, open, you may have noticed Braille on
> toilet doors to denote gents or ladies, on buttons in lifts, on bottles of
> wine and packaging on breakfast cereals and ready meals.
>
> The Co-op chain spearheaded this small revolution on some of their own brand
> products but it's appearing gradually on other goods in other stores too.
>
> Braille menus are available on request in many UK chain restaurants such as
> Nando's and Pizza Express, but it's most obvious on medicine and
> pharmaceuticals - everything from cough sweets to blood pressure tablets.
>
> Across Europe, it's all thanks to an EU directive passed in 2005. But the
> trend is not restricted to Europe.
>
> "To read Braille without being able to see you need to develop sensitive
> finger ends. Finger ends which, unlike mine, need to be protected from burns
> developed whilst cooking, or rough handling of gardening implements and the
> like.
>
> "My fingers have developed what in a sighted person might be called
> 'cataracts', but I still plough on."
>
> On Twitter, you'll regularly see US users pondering why there is Braille on
> drive-through cash machines when blind people can't drive. They can be
> passengers, of course.
>
> In the not-too-distant past, Braille on bleach bottles used to have
> paternalistic messages like "irritant" or "do not drink" rather than giving
> useful information about what the product was, like "kitchen surface
> cleaner".
>
> There has been a shift in the attitude of supermarkets and other key
> businesses, says Pete Osborne, chief Braille officer at the Royal National
> Institute of Blind People (RNIB).
>
> "Manufacturers don't now say 'it'd be really nice if we could do Braille'
> they say we know we should, we need to know how."
>
> But there's a contradiction - as Braille use spreads across everyday
> objects, the number of people using the system has actually been in
> long-term decline.
>
> Louis Braille came up with the system - drawing inspiration from a failed
> military "night writing" code - while still a child in France in 1821. It
> allowed blind people to read independently for the first time and was widely
> adopted.
>
> At the time, raised dots were the best hope for blind people. Today there
> are screenreaders for computers as well as smartphones that speak. It has
> spawned a generation of blind people who are tech savvy out of necessity.
>
> So, in this talking digital landscape, are lumps in paper still useful? And
> how many people are still using the medium?
>
> Fewer than 1% of the two million visually impaired people in the UK are
> users of Braille. "The best figure we have is 18-20,000," says Osborne.
> "That's people who use Braille in some context.
>
> "This could represent people who have enough Braille to recognise or play a
> game of dominoes or cards or read basic 'uncontracted' Braille on
> paracetamol, right through to those who learn from Braille music and play to
> professional level."
>
> Of the two million with sight loss, the majority are over 65 years old. And
> of that group, Braille users tend to be those who have not been able to see
> from an early age.
>
> Only 2,000 people regularly order books from the Braille library, which
> suggests the majority use it only for more practical reasons.
>
> Despite being head of the Braille coding group at the UK Association for
> Accessible Formats, James Bowden would rather listen to an audio book for
> leisure purposes than pick up a Braille book.
>
> The Braille version might consist of half a dozen encyclopaedia-sized
> volumes. Bowden sees Braille as being better at fulfilling an immediate need
> for information than for fun.
>
> "[When] labelling CDs, playing a game of Scrabble or cards. If you don't
> know what a CD is, you'd have to put it in your player. With 20 CDs, it
> could take you 20 minutes to find the one you want to listen to."
>
> A Braille "cell" consists of up to six dots, almost like a domino. It's not
> too difficult to learn all 26 letters, but the difficulty comes in the touch
> and building up your reading speed. A letter S and a letter T, for instance,
> feel very similar to someone who hasn't yet "built up their touch".
>
> MP and former Home Secretary David Blunkett was regularly seen at the
> dispatch box reading his statements in Braille. "It's a slow medium. It's
> necessary, I'm very grateful for it, but I would say that a reasonably fast
> print reader is twice as fast as I am," he says.
>
> "I'm a good reader to myself, I am not an easy reader to an audience and so
> I tend for my speeches to have just notes which I refer to as background
> which is why I found making full carefully drafted statements at the
> despatch box difficult.
>
> "I used to hate it. Answering questions in Parliament was a doddle compared
> with that - for very many politicians it's the other way round."
>
> Blunkett urges people to learn Braille saying that even the best computer
> Braille displays and earpieces won't help you do a presentation in the same
> way as having your information on paper in front of you.
>
> There's always the threat of batteries running out or a device breaking, and
> US studies have suggested Braille users are more likely to find work because
> they have a "greater grasp of literacy", Osborne says. In the UK today, 66%
> of blind or partially sighted people of working age are unemployed.
>
> The move to listening to computers with speech synthesisers rather than
> experiencing full words, letter by letter, underneath your fingertips, means
> that words are often heard without necessarily knowing how they're spelt. In
> turn, this can make writing more of a challenge for some users. Braille
> displays connected to computers largely solve this literacy issue but are
> sometimes prohibitively expensive.
>
> Before the middle of the 19th Century, reading the Bible was a bigger
> motivation than employability for Braille teachers, says Philip Jeffs,
> archivist at RNIB's National Library. But with the advent of Braille
> typewriters in the 1890s blind people could then do clerical work.
>
> The RNIB produces Braille, but it doesn't teach it directly to individuals.
> Local authorities have tended to organise the teaching, funded by
> government.
>
> But there is a funding mismatch, says Osborne. Not enough people are taught
> to use Braille, particularly when compared with the volume of Braille
> material produced.
>
> "There is a global problem in developed countries," says Osborne.
> "Traditionally organisations have spent vastly more on producing and storing
> it than teaching it. UK, Spain, France, US, Australia. It's a problem that
> needs to be addressed.
>
> "Our view is that people should have the right to learn Braille if they want
> it."
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:49:22 -0500
> From: "Anjelina" <anjelinac26 at gmail.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
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> Good evening fellow students,
> What are your thoughts about this NPR article?
> Since technology is such a large part of our daily lives, especially as
> students, how do you keep up with your Braille skills?
> Besides using my BrailleNote for taking notes/reading, labeling items  and
> the occasional Braille leisure novel, I don?t have as much access to Braille
> as I?d prefer.
> http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/02/13/146812288/braille-under-siege-as-blind-turn-to-smartphones
> Anjelina
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:56:43 -0600
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
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> I don't have any technology, besides Jaws.
> I use my Perkins Brailler, to take notes, from recordings that I
> record in classes.
> I hate not being able to use a notetaker!
> My Braille skills are great, though.
> I don't have as much access to Braille, outside of NLS.
> I'm going to resubscribe to the Braille Monitor, (the Braille edition.)
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 2/13/12, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Good evening fellow students,
>> What are your thoughts about this NPR article?
>> Since technology is such a large part of our daily lives, especially as
>> students, how do you keep up with your Braille skills?
>> Besides using my BrailleNote for taking notes/reading, labeling items  and
>> the occasional Braille leisure novel, I don?t have as much access to
>> Braille
>> as I?d prefer.
>> http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/02/13/146812288/braille-under-siege-as-blind-turn-to-smartphones
>> Anjelina
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:59:23 -0600
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Embossers
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> Does anyone know which Braille embossers are preferable?
> I like the Romeo, but it's expensive!
> I need one, so that the instructors can type up the test, and then
> they can put it into Braille, for me.
> I'd teach them how to emboss, but that would be it.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:26:12 -0500
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Embossers
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> Joshua,
> A small printer will do then. I'd suggest the braille blazer if its still
> made. All of the embossers are expensive; although if you do not get
> interpoint embossing, meaning two sided, its less expensive; try the juliet.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:59 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Embossers
>
> Does anyone know which Braille embossers are preferable?
> I like the Romeo, but it's expensive!
> I need one, so that the instructors can type up the test, and then
> they can put it into Braille, for me.
> I'd teach them how to emboss, but that would be it.
> Thanks, Joshua
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:36:33 -0500
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
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> Hi,
> I think we have to keep up our skills. Like Anjelina, I label in braille; I
> write notes and appointment times in the braille Note.
> I read hard copy braille regularly too; but not as much as I should. I think
> we need to keep reading regular hard copy braille to keep our skills up.
> Reading with two hands and sliding to the next line on a page is different
> than reading a linear braille display.
> We have to balance technology and braille skills. If we don't, we are
> settling for second class citizenship and a substandard rate of literacy.
> Technology can break down and it has limitations. So get out a big braille
> book or your perkins braille and read/write braille.
>
> So how do I keep real braille skills up? I read the NFB viligant in braille.
> I've read novels in braille too.
> I make a point to write braille for organization. I like seeing a list of
> things; its just easier to organize; I list things to buy or things to get
> done that day. I might write a poem or short reflection in braille. Because
> I have space limitations, I don't write much hard copy braille. I will write
> a page or two at  a time. Longer writing I do on the braille note. So, in
> summary I find small ways like list items, reading newsletters, short
> stories poems, and small reflections to keep up my braille. I could still
> improve though. Periodically, I read out loud. I encourage all to do so
> because its useful to have for reading speeches or other writing to groups.
> You improve reading fluency with practice.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anjelina
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:49 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>
> Good evening fellow students,
> What are your thoughts about this NPR article?
> Since technology is such a large part of our daily lives, especially as
> students, how do you keep up with your Braille skills?
> Besides using my BrailleNote for taking notes/reading, labeling items  and
> the occasional Braille leisure novel, I don?t have as much access to Braille
> as I?d prefer.
> http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/02/13/146812288/braille-under-siege-as-blind-turn-to-smartphones
> Anjelina
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:37:42 -0600
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Embossers
> Message-ID:
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>
> I still have the Braille Blazor, at the high school.
> The only problem, is that it might not work.
> They sent me the Pac Mate, and they had already messed it up.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 2/13/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> A small printer will do then. I'd suggest the braille blazer if its still
>> made. All of the embossers are expensive; although if you do not get
>> interpoint embossing, meaning two sided, its less expensive; try the
>> juliet.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:59 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Embossers
>>
>> Does anyone know which Braille embossers are preferable?
>> I like the Romeo, but it's expensive!
>> I need one, so that the instructors can type up the test, and then
>> they can put it into Braille, for me.
>> I'd teach them how to emboss, but that would be it.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:43:06 -0600
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
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>
> Wow!
> Great post!
> One thing I do, to keep my skills up, is I try to put all of the
> lyrics to songs, that I've written, into Braille.
> I have a whole load of them saved up, (I've printed them out,) and
> they're all at my friend's place, where he's helping me copyright my
> material.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 2/13/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I think we have to keep up our skills. Like Anjelina, I label in braille;
>> I
>> write notes and appointment times in the braille Note.
>> I read hard copy braille regularly too; but not as much as I should. I
>> think
>> we need to keep reading regular hard copy braille to keep our skills up.
>> Reading with two hands and sliding to the next line on a page is different
>> than reading a linear braille display.
>> We have to balance technology and braille skills. If we don't, we are
>> settling for second class citizenship and a substandard rate of literacy.
>> Technology can break down and it has limitations. So get out a big braille
>> book or your perkins braille and read/write braille.
>>
>> So how do I keep real braille skills up? I read the NFB viligant in
>> braille.
>> I've read novels in braille too.
>> I make a point to write braille for organization. I like seeing a list of
>> things; its just easier to organize; I list things to buy or things to get
>> done that day. I might write a poem or short reflection in braille.
>> Because
>> I have space limitations, I don't write much hard copy braille. I will
>> write
>> a page or two at  a time. Longer writing I do on the braille note. So, in
>> summary I find small ways like list items, reading newsletters, short
>> stories poems, and small reflections to keep up my braille. I could still
>> improve though. Periodically, I read out loud. I encourage all to do so
>> because its useful to have for reading speeches or other writing to
>> groups.
>> You improve reading fluency with practice.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anjelina
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:49 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>>
>> Good evening fellow students,
>> What are your thoughts about this NPR article?
>> Since technology is such a large part of our daily lives, especially as
>> students, how do you keep up with your Braille skills?
>> Besides using my BrailleNote for taking notes/reading, labeling items  and
>> the occasional Braille leisure novel, I don?t have as much access to
>> Braille
>> as I?d prefer.
>> http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/02/13/146812288/braille-under-siege-as-blind-turn-to-smartphones
>> Anjelina
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:56:50 -0600
> From: Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
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>
> Hi everyone.
>
> I think this article is very very sad.
>
> I have so many uses for braille.  I read my music in braile, use my
> braille note, and own a braille bible that I read from every day.
> Braille is very important to me, and I couldn't do my major without
> it.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/13/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I think we have to keep up our skills. Like Anjelina, I label in braille;
>> I
>> write notes and appointment times in the braille Note.
>> I read hard copy braille regularly too; but not as much as I should. I
>> think
>> we need to keep reading regular hard copy braille to keep our skills up.
>> Reading with two hands and sliding to the next line on a page is different
>> than reading a linear braille display.
>> We have to balance technology and braille skills. If we don't, we are
>> settling for second class citizenship and a substandard rate of literacy.
>> Technology can break down and it has limitations. So get out a big braille
>> book or your perkins braille and read/write braille.
>>
>> So how do I keep real braille skills up? I read the NFB viligant in
>> braille.
>> I've read novels in braille too.
>> I make a point to write braille for organization. I like seeing a list of
>> things; its just easier to organize; I list things to buy or things to get
>> done that day. I might write a poem or short reflection in braille.
>> Because
>> I have space limitations, I don't write much hard copy braille. I will
>> write
>> a page or two at  a time. Longer writing I do on the braille note. So, in
>> summary I find small ways like list items, reading newsletters, short
>> stories poems, and small reflections to keep up my braille. I could still
>> improve though. Periodically, I read out loud. I encourage all to do so
>> because its useful to have for reading speeches or other writing to
>> groups.
>> You improve reading fluency with practice.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anjelina
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:49 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>>
>> Good evening fellow students,
>> What are your thoughts about this NPR article?
>> Since technology is such a large part of our daily lives, especially as
>> students, how do you keep up with your Braille skills?
>> Besides using my BrailleNote for taking notes/reading, labeling items  and
>> the occasional Braille leisure novel, I don?t have as much access to
>> Braille
>> as I?d prefer.
>> http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/02/13/146812288/braille-under-siege-as-blind-turn-to-smartphones
>> Anjelina
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> Julie McG
>  Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> Eyes for the Blind
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> life."
> John 3:16
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:27:14 -0600
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
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> Great post!
> Why is it then, that 1, out of 7 blind children, in the US, doesn't
> know Braille, or can't get access to it?
> This is awful!
> TVI's, are needed!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 2/13/12, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone.
>>
>> I think this article is very very sad.
>>
>> I have so many uses for braille.  I read my music in braile, use my
>> braille note, and own a braille bible that I read from every day.
>> Braille is very important to me, and I couldn't do my major without
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/13/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I think we have to keep up our skills. Like Anjelina, I label in braille;
>>> I
>>> write notes and appointment times in the braille Note.
>>> I read hard copy braille regularly too; but not as much as I should. I
>>> think
>>> we need to keep reading regular hard copy braille to keep our skills up.
>>> Reading with two hands and sliding to the next line on a page is
>>> different
>>> than reading a linear braille display.
>>> We have to balance technology and braille skills. If we don't, we are
>>> settling for second class citizenship and a substandard rate of literacy.
>>> Technology can break down and it has limitations. So get out a big
>>> braille
>>> book or your perkins braille and read/write braille.
>>>
>>> So how do I keep real braille skills up? I read the NFB viligant in
>>> braille.
>>> I've read novels in braille too.
>>> I make a point to write braille for organization. I like seeing a list of
>>> things; its just easier to organize; I list things to buy or things to
>>> get
>>> done that day. I might write a poem or short reflection in braille.
>>> Because
>>> I have space limitations, I don't write much hard copy braille. I will
>>> write
>>> a page or two at  a time. Longer writing I do on the braille note. So, in
>>> summary I find small ways like list items, reading newsletters, short
>>> stories poems, and small reflections to keep up my braille. I could still
>>> improve though. Periodically, I read out loud. I encourage all to do so
>>> because its useful to have for reading speeches or other writing to
>>> groups.
>>> You improve reading fluency with practice.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Anjelina
>>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:49 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>>>
>>> Good evening fellow students,
>>> What are your thoughts about this NPR article?
>>> Since technology is such a large part of our daily lives, especially as
>>> students, how do you keep up with your Braille skills?
>>> Besides using my BrailleNote for taking notes/reading, labeling items
>>> and
>>> the occasional Braille leisure novel, I don?t have as much access to
>>> Braille
>>> as I?d prefer.
>>> http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/02/13/146812288/braille-under-siege-as-blind-turn-to-smartphones
>>> Anjelina
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Julie McG
>>  Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
>> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>> Eyes for the Blind
>>
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>> life."
>> John 3:16
>>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:40:29 -0700
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
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>
> Hi all,
> I always get kind of irritated by articles and discussions that try to
> pit Braille and technology against one another, implying that they are
> competing ways of giving the blind access to print and that as one is
> favored the other will lose out. The same kind of thinking can plague
> school districts when a child is offered "either Braille or an Ipad"
> for example. This kind of "either-or" thinking is sad considering all
> the ways that Braille and technology can complement one another to
> give a blind person ideal access to information. The Braille notetaker
> is a prime example. It has many of the critical advantages of
> technology-electronic storage, portability, synchronization with other
> devices, etc.-but still requires Braille input for its operation. A
> Braille notetaker can be used without the Braille display, but using
> the Braille display maximizes the advantages of Braille reading (such
> as access to spelling, grammar and punctuation) as well as all the
> benefits of the technology. If used correctly, a Braille notetaker can
> optimize Braille literacy skills by giving the user daily
> opportunities to practice reading and writing Braille. Similarly, if
> an I-device like an iPhone or Ipad is used in conjunction with a
> Braille display, the user can read his/her text messages and emails in
> Braille-a feat that was impossible just a few years ago. Certainly it
> was not possible to read texts or play mobile phone games in Braille
> until recently even if Braille access to email was available. So in
> these ways the expansion of technology only multiplies the ways in
> which we can access Braille if we choose to do so. So it is naive and
> simplistic, in my view, to assume that Braille and technology are
> mutually exclusive ways of accessing information. I hope that more
> schools will take these ideas into account when making equipment and
> instruction decisions for blind students. Certainly access to
> hard-copy Braille is important in the early years of schooling when
> literacy is first developing, just as it is for sighted students. But
> in later years, just as sighted people see print on a daily basis when
> using their computers and phones, why not use these devices as
> opportunities to expose blind users to Braille in new and fun ways? Of
> course part of this will require the price of Braille displays to come
> down so they can become more widely affordable and available. This
> will be difficult but I don't think it's impossible.
> All that said, I admit that I have myself gotten used to reading
> almost everything with JAWS using speech and don't read or write
> Braille nearly as much as I used to. Part of this is owing to the fact
> that I have decided not to pay the high price of a Braille notetaker.
> I have a small portable Braille display but have not used it much, in
> part because I am simply used to using JAWS. I still do really enjoy
> reading Braille in hard copy and take the opportunity to do so
> whenever I can, and I label many things around the house in Braille.
> But I have not made the effort to re-incorporate Braille into my daily
> professional endeavors, and perhaps I should. Having been a Braille
> reader since I was 3 I admit I have perhaps taken the skill for
> granted and as far as I can tell, I have not lost it. But perhaps
> Braille reading skill might decay more for those of us who were not
> given the opportunity to learn Braille until older ages. What are your
> experiences?
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 2/13/12, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone.
>>
>> I think this article is very very sad.
>>
>> I have so many uses for braille.  I read my music in braile, use my
>> braille note, and own a braille bible that I read from every day.
>> Braille is very important to me, and I couldn't do my major without
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/13/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I think we have to keep up our skills. Like Anjelina, I label in braille;
>>> I
>>> write notes and appointment times in the braille Note.
>>> I read hard copy braille regularly too; but not as much as I should. I
>>> think
>>> we need to keep reading regular hard copy braille to keep our skills up.
>>> Reading with two hands and sliding to the next line on a page is
>>> different
>>> than reading a linear braille display.
>>> We have to balance technology and braille skills. If we don't, we are
>>> settling for second class citizenship and a substandard rate of literacy.
>>> Technology can break down and it has limitations. So get out a big
>>> braille
>>> book or your perkins braille and read/write braille.
>>>
>>> So how do I keep real braille skills up? I read the NFB viligant in
>>> braille.
>>> I've read novels in braille too.
>>> I make a point to write braille for organization. I like seeing a list of
>>> things; its just easier to organize; I list things to buy or things to
>>> get
>>> done that day. I might write a poem or short reflection in braille.
>>> Because
>>> I have space limitations, I don't write much hard copy braille. I will
>>> write
>>> a page or two at  a time. Longer writing I do on the braille note. So, in
>>> summary I find small ways like list items, reading newsletters, short
>>> stories poems, and small reflections to keep up my braille. I could still
>>> improve though. Periodically, I read out loud. I encourage all to do so
>>> because its useful to have for reading speeches or other writing to
>>> groups.
>>> You improve reading fluency with practice.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Anjelina
>>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:49 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>>>
>>> Good evening fellow students,
>>> What are your thoughts about this NPR article?
>>> Since technology is such a large part of our daily lives, especially as
>>> students, how do you keep up with your Braille skills?
>>> Besides using my BrailleNote for taking notes/reading, labeling items
>>> and
>>> the occasional Braille leisure novel, I don?t have as much access to
>>> Braille
>>> as I?d prefer.
>>> http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/02/13/146812288/braille-under-siege-as-blind-turn-to-smartphones
>>> Anjelina
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Julie McG
>>  Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
>> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>> Eyes for the Blind
>>
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>> life."
>> John 3:16
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 00:37:46 -0800
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
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>
> What do you mean by not being able to use a notetaker?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 6:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>
>
> I don't have any technology, besides Jaws.
> I use my Perkins Brailler, to take notes, from recordings that I
> record in classes.
> I hate not being able to use a notetaker!
> My Braille skills are great, though.
> I don't have as much access to Braille, outside of NLS.
> I'm going to resubscribe to the Braille Monitor, (the Braille edition.)
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 2/13/12, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Good evening fellow students,
>> What are your thoughts about this NPR article?
>> Since technology is such a large part of our daily lives, especially as
>> students, how do you keep up with your Braille skills?
>> Besides using my BrailleNote for taking notes/reading, labeling items  and
>> the occasional Braille leisure novel, I don?t have as much access to
>> Braille
>> as I?d prefer.
>> http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/02/13/146812288/braille-under-siege-as-blind-turn-to-smartphones
>> Anjelina
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>>
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 02:52:29 -0600
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
> Message-ID:
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>
> I don't have one.
> I'm waiting on Rehab to help me purchase a Pac Mate.
> I'd be willing to split the cost.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 2/14/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> What do you mean by not being able to use a notetaker?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 6:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>>
>>
>> I don't have any technology, besides Jaws.
>> I use my Perkins Brailler, to take notes, from recordings that I
>> record in classes.
>> I hate not being able to use a notetaker!
>> My Braille skills are great, though.
>> I don't have as much access to Braille, outside of NLS.
>> I'm going to resubscribe to the Braille Monitor, (the Braille edition.)
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 2/13/12, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Good evening fellow students,
>>> What are your thoughts about this NPR article?
>>> Since technology is such a large part of our daily lives, especially as
>>> students, how do you keep up with your Braille skills?
>>> Besides using my BrailleNote for taking notes/reading, labeling items
>>> and
>>> the occasional Braille leisure novel, I don?t have as much access to
>>> Braille
>>> as I?d prefer.
>>> http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/02/13/146812288/braille-under-siege-as-blind-turn-to-smartphones
>>> Anjelina
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
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>>>
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:18:51 -0400
> From: "Rania Ismail CMT" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
> Message-ID: <4f3a6dac.88bfe00a.48cf.487f at mx.google.com>
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>
> I use it to lable things.
> Rania,
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:37 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>
> Hi,
> I think we have to keep up our skills. Like Anjelina, I label in braille; I
> write notes and appointment times in the braille Note.
> I read hard copy braille regularly too; but not as much as I should. I think
>
> we need to keep reading regular hard copy braille to keep our skills up.
> Reading with two hands and sliding to the next line on a page is different
> than reading a linear braille display.
> We have to balance technology and braille skills. If we don't, we are
> settling for second class citizenship and a substandard rate of literacy.
> Technology can break down and it has limitations. So get out a big braille
> book or your perkins braille and read/write braille.
>
> So how do I keep real braille skills up? I read the NFB viligant in braille.
>
> I've read novels in braille too.
> I make a point to write braille for organization. I like seeing a list of
> things; its just easier to organize; I list things to buy or things to get
> done that day. I might write a poem or short reflection in braille. Because
> I have space limitations, I don't write much hard copy braille. I will write
>
> a page or two at  a time. Longer writing I do on the braille note. So, in
> summary I find small ways like list items, reading newsletters, short
> stories poems, and small reflections to keep up my braille. I could still
> improve though. Periodically, I read out loud. I encourage all to do so
> because its useful to have for reading speeches or other writing to groups.
> You improve reading fluency with practice.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anjelina
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:49 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>
> Good evening fellow students,
> What are your thoughts about this NPR article?
> Since technology is such a large part of our daily lives, especially as
> students, how do you keep up with your Braille skills?
> Besides using my BrailleNote for taking notes/reading, labeling items  and
> the occasional Braille leisure novel, I don't have as much access to Braille
>
> as I'd prefer.
> http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/02/13/146812288/braille-unde
> r-siege-as-blind-turn-to-smartphones
> Anjelina
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> net
>
>
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> m
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:24:38 -0400
> From: "Rania Ismail CMT" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
> Message-ID: <4f3a6f07.0862e00a.1923.4ab1 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Ariel, I like you have been using Braille sinse I was 5 so I have not lost
> it but I don't use it much either except for labeling things around the
> house and using the Braille display I have along with jaws when I do things
> like write up session notes on client's and other things.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Arielle Silverman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:40 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>
> Hi all,
> I always get kind of irritated by articles and discussions that try to
> pit Braille and technology against one another, implying that they are
> competing ways of giving the blind access to print and that as one is
> favored the other will lose out. The same kind of thinking can plague
> school districts when a child is offered "either Braille or an Ipad"
> for example. This kind of "either-or" thinking is sad considering all
> the ways that Braille and technology can complement one another to
> give a blind person ideal access to information. The Braille notetaker
> is a prime example. It has many of the critical advantages of
> technology-electronic storage, portability, synchronization with other
> devices, etc.-but still requires Braille input for its operation. A
> Braille notetaker can be used without the Braille display, but using
> the Braille display maximizes the advantages of Braille reading (such
> as access to spelling, grammar and punctuation) as well as all the
> benefits of the technology. If used correctly, a Braille notetaker can
> optimize Braille literacy skills by giving the user daily
> opportunities to practice reading and writing Braille. Similarly, if
> an I-device like an iPhone or Ipad is used in conjunction with a
> Braille display, the user can read his/her text messages and emails in
> Braille-a feat that was impossible just a few years ago. Certainly it
> was not possible to read texts or play mobile phone games in Braille
> until recently even if Braille access to email was available. So in
> these ways the expansion of technology only multiplies the ways in
> which we can access Braille if we choose to do so. So it is naive and
> simplistic, in my view, to assume that Braille and technology are
> mutually exclusive ways of accessing information. I hope that more
> schools will take these ideas into account when making equipment and
> instruction decisions for blind students. Certainly access to
> hard-copy Braille is important in the early years of schooling when
> literacy is first developing, just as it is for sighted students. But
> in later years, just as sighted people see print on a daily basis when
> using their computers and phones, why not use these devices as
> opportunities to expose blind users to Braille in new and fun ways? Of
> course part of this will require the price of Braille displays to come
> down so they can become more widely affordable and available. This
> will be difficult but I don't think it's impossible.
> All that said, I admit that I have myself gotten used to reading
> almost everything with JAWS using speech and don't read or write
> Braille nearly as much as I used to. Part of this is owing to the fact
> that I have decided not to pay the high price of a Braille notetaker.
> I have a small portable Braille display but have not used it much, in
> part because I am simply used to using JAWS. I still do really enjoy
> reading Braille in hard copy and take the opportunity to do so
> whenever I can, and I label many things around the house in Braille.
> But I have not made the effort to re-incorporate Braille into my daily
> professional endeavors, and perhaps I should. Having been a Braille
> reader since I was 3 I admit I have perhaps taken the skill for
> granted and as far as I can tell, I have not lost it. But perhaps
> Braille reading skill might decay more for those of us who were not
> given the opportunity to learn Braille until older ages. What are your
> experiences?
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 2/13/12, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone.
>>
>> I think this article is very very sad.
>>
>> I have so many uses for braille.  I read my music in braile, use my
>> braille note, and own a braille bible that I read from every day.
>> Braille is very important to me, and I couldn't do my major without
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/13/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I think we have to keep up our skills. Like Anjelina, I label in braille;
>>> I
>>> write notes and appointment times in the braille Note.
>>> I read hard copy braille regularly too; but not as much as I should. I
>>> think
>>> we need to keep reading regular hard copy braille to keep our skills up.
>>> Reading with two hands and sliding to the next line on a page is
> different
>>> than reading a linear braille display.
>>> We have to balance technology and braille skills. If we don't, we are
>>> settling for second class citizenship and a substandard rate of literacy.
>>> Technology can break down and it has limitations. So get out a big
> braille
>>> book or your perkins braille and read/write braille.
>>>
>>> So how do I keep real braille skills up? I read the NFB viligant in
>>> braille.
>>> I've read novels in braille too.
>>> I make a point to write braille for organization. I like seeing a list of
>>> things; its just easier to organize; I list things to buy or things to
> get
>>> done that day. I might write a poem or short reflection in braille.
>>> Because
>>> I have space limitations, I don't write much hard copy braille. I will
>>> write
>>> a page or two at  a time. Longer writing I do on the braille note. So, in
>>> summary I find small ways like list items, reading newsletters, short
>>> stories poems, and small reflections to keep up my braille. I could still
>>> improve though. Periodically, I read out loud. I encourage all to do so
>>> because its useful to have for reading speeches or other writing to
>>> groups.
>>> You improve reading fluency with practice.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Anjelina
>>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:49 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>>>
>>> Good evening fellow students,
>>> What are your thoughts about this NPR article?
>>> Since technology is such a large part of our daily lives, especially as
>>> students, how do you keep up with your Braille skills?
>>> Besides using my BrailleNote for taking notes/reading, labeling items
> and
>>> the occasional Braille leisure novel, I don't have as much access to
>>> Braille
>>> as I'd prefer.
>>>
> http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/02/13/146812288/braille-unde
> r-siege-as-blind-turn-to-smartphones
>>> Anjelina
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Julie McG
>>  Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
>> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>> Eyes for the Blind
>>
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>> life."
>> John 3:16
>>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:46:59 -0600
> From: jonathan franks <franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
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> I use both a smart phone and braille. I volunteer with a camp for
> blind children that promotes blind children to learn and use braille.
> Remember Braille readers are leaders.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:10:53 -0500
> From: Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader question
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> Hi All!
>
> I was just curious to see how many of you had a KNFB Reader device and
> specifically if you use the phone as well?  I was wondering how
> accessible the phone was like reading calender, texting, calling, and
> all that fun stuff.
>
> Justin
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:04:44 -0800
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
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> When you talk about reading hard copy Braille, do you mean once in a while
> or having all/most of your books in hard copy Braille?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>
>
>> Hi,
>> I think we have to keep up our skills. Like Anjelina, I label in braille;
>> I write notes and appointment times in the braille Note.
>> I read hard copy braille regularly too; but not as much as I should. I
>> think we need to keep reading regular hard copy braille to keep our skills
>>
>> up. Reading with two hands and sliding to the next line on a page is
>> different than reading a linear braille display.
>> We have to balance technology and braille skills. If we don't, we are
>> settling for second class citizenship and a substandard rate of literacy.
>> Technology can break down and it has limitations. So get out a big braille
>>
>> book or your perkins braille and read/write braille.
>>
>> So how do I keep real braille skills up? I read the NFB viligant in
>> braille. I've read novels in braille too.
>> I make a point to write braille for organization. I like seeing a list of
>> things; its just easier to organize; I list things to buy or things to get
>>
>> done that day. I might write a poem or short reflection in braille.
>> Because I have space limitations, I don't write much hard copy braille. I
>> will write a page or two at  a time. Longer writing I do on the braille
>> note. So, in summary I find small ways like list items, reading
>> newsletters, short stories poems, and small reflections to keep up my
>> braille. I could still improve though. Periodically, I read out loud. I
>> encourage all to do so because its useful to have for reading speeches or
>> other writing to groups. You improve reading fluency with practice.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anjelina
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:49 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Under Siege As Blind Turn To Smartphones
>>
>> Good evening fellow students,
>> What are your thoughts about this NPR article?
>> Since technology is such a large part of our daily lives, especially as
>> students, how do you keep up with your Braille skills?
>> Besides using my BrailleNote for taking notes/reading, labeling items  and
>>
>> the occasional Braille leisure novel, I don?t have as much access to
>> Braille as I?d prefer.
>> http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2012/02/13/146812288/braille-under-siege-as-blind-turn-to-smartphones
>> Anjelina
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