[nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

Wed Jan 4 02:09:01 UTC 2012

Joshua,
They will never go back to their old name. Lets not fight about that. They 
changed their name, like it or not.
So lets work with them to make their site accessible and stop go forward. 
Stop saying what you wish since they made a decision and they will stick 
with it. You know blind patrons are the minority; they have a larger 
learning disabled population than blind ones now. They are broadening their 
focus
to serve more people. Somehow the thoughts of blind people slipped through 
with the design of their site.

Again, lets work with what we have.
-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:25 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally

That RFBD route is what I'm dealing with, now.
It's now Learning Ally, but they need to go back to their old name.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/3/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Yes, but, sometimes, you have to just take what you can get, especially 
> once
> you get into college.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>
>
>>I personally don't want to have the synthesized voice on the Stream read a
>>book to me, especially a novel or textbook, and would go the RFBD route
>>whenever possible.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The real
>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.  If a
>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be
>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:10:14 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>> You don't have to have a book.  It also plays MP3 files and reads TXT
>> files.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 6:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>>
>> I was shwon one, at convention, 2 years ago.
>> I have one, but I'm not sure about working it.
>> I don't have any books for it, now.
>> I'll save your address, and E-mail you when I get a book.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> E-mail me off list and I can help you figure out the Stream.  It's
>> really quite simple.
>> Patrick
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> Wow!
>> I still use the CD player for my classes.
>> I hate the Victor Stream, because I can't figure it out!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/2/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Antonio,
>> What are the problems? Do you use jaws? I've tried to figure out the
>> download; it took me a while to learn the old way, and now they changed
>> it.
>> I'm not the most patient with technology, keep in mind.  If you have a
>> cd
>> player, you still can order daisy cds, but now that humanware no longer
>> offers the little daisy players; vr wave, vr vibe and vr classic,  more
>> probably will download.  I still have my old vr wave and thankfully it
>> works!
>> Since as you said downloading is not friendly and a Daisy cd player is
>> IMO
>> easy to use and simple.
>>
>> Humanware recently released a new victor reader player, vr strattus,
>> which
>> both plays those daisy cds and downloadable books from many places like
>> nls
>> and learning ally.
>>
>> I encourage you to write learning ally.  Many are disappointed.  With
>> changing
>> their name, it seems they changed their mission to focus on learning
>> disabilities without identifying them as disabled, for politically
>> correct
>> purposes.  Tell them to still include blind people and that blind people
>> have
>> depended on them for over 30 years since they started.  Don't let them
>> forget
>> us and be specific as to your accessibility challenges.  Stating
>> something
>> is
>> not accessible won't help.
>>
>> Also IMo, their site is more hard to navigate.  More images and complex
>> organization.  Like no longer can you see the book catalog from the main
>> page
>> and when you search books you cannot read the edition/publisher anymore
>> without clicking on something extra.  So I see like ten books with the
>> same
>> or similar name and it takes longer to figure out what to pick.
>> frustrated,
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Antonio Guimaraes
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:35 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Seems we lost an ally
>>
>> Dear NABS members,
>>
>> It is more than obvious to me that the new Learning Ally download
>> features fall short of offering blind screen reader users the services
>> we've come to know in previous years.
>>
>> Today I experienced at least an hour of frustrations trying to use
>> their
>> new and improved program for downloads.  I have listened to their You
>> Tube video explaining the process, and then reached out to people like
>> you for some feedback.
>>
>> There are several reports that blind readers can not use Learning
>> Ally's
>> download features.
>>
>> I am not a happy scholar.  I am writing to find out if you too have come
>> up against issues with the download service.
>>
>> The NABS division and its membership should not accept lack of access
>> from an organization that has long been at the forefront in providing
>> access to recorded texts for blind users.
>>
>> Your experience will only help confirm some of the reported issues, and
>> hopefully result in rectifying what must certainly be an oversight on
>> Learning Ally's part.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>
>>
>>
>>
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