[nabs-l] school is not accomodating

Sat Jan 21 00:12:58 UTC 2012

Hmm. If Braille signage on rooms in buildings is required by law, then
the vast majority of buildings I've visited (including NFB
headquarters) are violating the law.
I really love it when buildings have Braille signs, but my guess is if
they're not legally mandated, it is because they aren't essential for
a blind person to enter and move about in the building as wheelchair
ramps and elevators are for people using wheelchairs. Braille signs
definitely help us be more independent, but there are other ways in
which we can locate rooms within buildings. My understanding is a
wheelchair user is basically locked out if the building doesn't have a
ramp or elevators, no?
Arielle

On 1/20/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> This is also interesting for me to hear because I had the idea that is was
> law that the buildings or the room numbers had to be brailled
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>
>
> Hi Ashley,
> I understand your situation at school is frustrating, but I'm not sure
> that the school is actually in violation of any ADA mandates. Schools
> aren't necessarily required to have a DSO at all, much less purchase a
> scanner and Braille embosser. And while your building's layout may be
> very annoying to try and navigate, it's not inaccessible to you as a
> blind person. I'm not sure the ADA says anything about making
> buildings accessible to the blind except perhaps to put Braille
> signage on elevators. I don't know if Braille is required on doors.
> I think your first priority should probably be finding a more reliable
> way to get access to your books and exams. As for the JAWS issue, can
> you install your copy of JAWS as a demo on your school computer
> instead of asking them to buy another license? Or you can get a
> netbook, which is a very lightweight laptop, for $400 or less.
> You might see if the DSO will help you find a reader to read your
> texts or if there is a scanner anywhere on campus, like in the library
> or student services building, if DSO doesn't have one. If not, you can
> advertise for readers in your classes, which I know you already have
> experience with.
> As for getting around the building, if you can walk through it a few
> times with a reader, friend, or O&M and just learn to get to a few
> locations within the building you will probably have an easier time.
> You don't need to learn the whole building; just the location of the
> places you need to go frequently.
> I agree that the inaccessible website and CD's are a problem, but it
> sounds like that's the fault of the publisher, not the fault of the
> school, right?
> Arielle
>
> On 1/20/12, jeff crouch <jeffanel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> yes, i am in 8th grade. I am very formiller with the ada and the idea.
>> I like studying stuff like this.
>>
>> On 1/20/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Jeff,
>>> You have more rights if you are in middle or high school, which I think
>>> you
>>> are! Under the Individuals with disabilities education Act, idea, you
>>> have
>>> a
>>> right to a free and appropriate education.
>>> And your parents should advocate for braille signs and whatever
>>> accomodations are needed.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jeff crouch
>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:31 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>
>>> yeah, oh, this is my first time on this bord, and i love it. Wow i am
>>> more active on hear then i am on the nfbmi list. lol, i can't wait to
>>> get to know you wonderful people, hey if you have skype feel free to
>>> add me, my screen name is
>>> magic2127
>>>
>>> have a good day
>>> with love
>>> jeff crouch
>>>
>>> On 1/20/12, Jonathan Franks <franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I agree, you should keep talking to theschool. Also, if you get more
>>>> people
>>>> to talk to the school on the issue, the school will be more likely to
>>>> the
>>>> problem. My suggestion is to go out and talk to your friends and peers
>>>> and
>>>> let them know about the issue, advocating is a good way to solve a
>>>> problem
>>>> or come up with solutions. Good luck.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 20, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I am first sorry for the trouble you are having to deal with. I had a
>>>>> friend in Nabraska who had the same issue with rooms throughout the
>>>>> school
>>>>> not being labeled and she talked to someone in her school and things
>>>>> got
>>>>> worked on
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and
>>>>>> they’re
>>>>>> the largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over
>>>>>> five
>>>>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and
>>>>>> figured
>>>>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>>>>> hiring so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can
>>>>>> read
>>>>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> the e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The
>>>>>> instructor
>>>>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>>>>> steps. Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the
>>>>>> thing around!
>>>>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>>>>> lots of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom
>>>>>> lab?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to
>>>>>> braille
>>>>>> tests!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>>>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>>>>> ADA compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a
>>>>>> blind
>>>>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>>>>> its not laid out well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>>>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
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