[nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Mon Jan 23 14:00:43 UTC 2012

Thanks for the advice.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/23/12, Jewel <herekittykat2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a quick note: NVDA can be downloaded from <www.nvda-project.org>.
> It doesn't sound like JAWS, using different voices that are, in my
> opinion, inferior to JAWS voices, but there are many options. THe hot
> keys are the same as with JAWS, sot hat 's a big plus. I use NVDA as
> my backup, using JAWS on my Netbook and keeping NVDA on a small flash
> drive that can be stuck into any computer and started up to make the
> computer accessible. I highly recommend keeping NVDA on a flash drive
> to be turne don on any computer that doesn't have a screenreader, so
> you don't have to wait for the tech people to put screenreaders on the
> computers.
>
> Just my two cents,
> Jewel
>
> On 1/23/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> There'll be no fight, because they've actually been quite
>> accomidating, technologywise.
>> I'm still going to deal with them, on the Braille signage, though.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/23/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Joushua,
>>> Just a thought, instead of getting into a fight with your school about
>>> putting accessible screen readers on all school computers have you
>>> thought
>>> about using system access to go? This way it won't cause issues with your
>>> school assuming things will go wrong because you have a accessible
>>> software
>>> on all of the computers. Just a thought
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>
>>>
>>> After I experiment with NVDA, I'll have my college put it on all of
>>> the computers.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> yeah dell is better than accer.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:04 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>>
>>>> I'm not using it yet, and haven't downloaded it.
>>>> I will, when I get my new Dell, (and trade this piece of trash,) (Acer,)
>>>> in!
>>>> I'll E-mail you off list, with the Website.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> good idea; does nvda sound like jaws and where is the website?
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley:
>>>>> Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on every
>>>>> computer?
>>>>> They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Amy,
>>>>>> I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>> They
>>>>>> can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
>>>>>> As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility
>>>>>> instructor.
>>>>>> Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student
>>>>>> union
>>>>>> building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out
>>>>>> weird;
>>>>>> its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it
>>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> too hard to find.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my
>>>>>> own
>>>>>> accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever
>>>>>> purchased
>>>>>> jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it
>>>>>> rediculous
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind
>>>>>> student there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is
>>>>>> learning
>>>>>> software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> own equipment, those programs are not on it.
>>>>>> I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same
>>>>>> story
>>>>>> about licenses. groan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Amy Sabo
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
>>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Ashley,
>>>>>> I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and
>>>>>> problems
>>>>>> at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a
>>>>>> community
>>>>>> college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> these problems relating to yours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m
>>>>>> training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't
>>>>>> receive
>>>>>> any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by
>>>>>> asking
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and,
>>>>>> then
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on
>>>>>> getting
>>>>>> around your community college independtally. As for your it class I
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so,
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for
>>>>>> college.
>>>>>> And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to
>>>>>> rely
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around
>>>>>> campus
>>>>>> well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for
>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>> all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of
>>>>>> fact
>>>>>> it's her second one to be certain of that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you
>>>>>> advised
>>>>>> the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a
>>>>>> accessible
>>>>>> format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> own
>>>>>> or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a
>>>>>> few.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I
>>>>>> hope
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hugs,
>>>>>> amy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and
>>>>>> they’re
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>>>>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and
>>>>>> figured
>>>>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>>>>> hiring
>>>>>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can
>>>>>> read
>>>>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give
>>>>>> us
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The
>>>>>> instructor
>>>>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>>>>> steps.
>>>>>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
>>>>>> around!
>>>>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>>>>> lots
>>>>>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to
>>>>>> braille
>>>>>> tests!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>>>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>>>>> ADA
>>>>>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>>>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>>>>> its
>>>>>> not laid out well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>>>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
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