[nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Mon Jan 23 13:38:06 UTC 2012

Just a quick note: NVDA can be downloaded from <www.nvda-project.org>.
It doesn't sound like JAWS, using different voices that are, in my
opinion, inferior to JAWS voices, but there are many options. THe hot
keys are the same as with JAWS, sot hat 's a big plus. I use NVDA as
my backup, using JAWS on my Netbook and keeping NVDA on a small flash
drive that can be stuck into any computer and started up to make the
computer accessible. I highly recommend keeping NVDA on a flash drive
to be turne don on any computer that doesn't have a screenreader, so
you don't have to wait for the tech people to put screenreaders on the
computers.

Just my two cents,
Jewel

On 1/23/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> There'll be no fight, because they've actually been quite
> accomidating, technologywise.
> I'm still going to deal with them, on the Braille signage, though.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 1/23/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Joushua,
>> Just a thought, instead of getting into a fight with your school about
>> putting accessible screen readers on all school computers have you thought
>> about using system access to go? This way it won't cause issues with your
>> school assuming things will go wrong because you have a accessible
>> software
>> on all of the computers. Just a thought
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>
>>
>> After I experiment with NVDA, I'll have my college put it on all of
>> the computers.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> yeah dell is better than accer.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:04 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>
>>> I'm not using it yet, and haven't downloaded it.
>>> I will, when I get my new Dell, (and trade this piece of trash,) (Acer,)
>>> in!
>>> I'll E-mail you off list, with the Website.
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> good idea; does nvda sound like jaws and where is the website?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>>
>>>> Ashley:
>>>> Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on every
>>>> computer?
>>>> They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Amy,
>>>>> I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad though.
>>>>> They
>>>>> can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
>>>>> As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility instructor.
>>>>> Also, my parents helped me out. But its just that the new student union
>>>>> building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid out
>>>>> weird;
>>>>> its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space. I'll do the best
>>>>> I
>>>>> can with it though. The counseling center is in a corner so it
>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>> be
>>>>> too hard to find.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for readers as well. So looks like I'll have to make my own
>>>>> accomodations. However, I still will plan to speak to whomever
>>>>> purchased
>>>>> jaws; someone in the office of the vice president. I find it rediculous
>>>>> they
>>>>> don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally blind
>>>>> student there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is
>>>>> learning
>>>>> software and databases in the tutoring center and career center. If I
>>>>> use
>>>>> my
>>>>> own equipment, those programs are not on it.
>>>>> I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the same
>>>>> story
>>>>> about licenses. groan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Amy Sabo
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Ashley,
>>>>> I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations and
>>>>> problems
>>>>> at a community college. I too had some of these same problems myself
>>>>> when
>>>>> I
>>>>> began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a
>>>>> community
>>>>> college in Michigan. And, here's what I had to do in dealing with all
>>>>> of
>>>>> these problems relating to yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o and m
>>>>> training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I didn't
>>>>> receive
>>>>> any at all. So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own by asking
>>>>> many
>>>>> questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance and,
>>>>> then
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> knew where to go. I also had my parents or a sighted friend who was in
>>>>> one
>>>>> of my classes show me around the campus. So, those are 2 ideas on
>>>>> getting
>>>>> around your community college independtally. As for your it class I
>>>>> would
>>>>> get a laptop. I had a voicenote when I was at my community college
>>>>> which
>>>>> was
>>>>> helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my classes so, a
>>>>> laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also for
>>>>> college.
>>>>> And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have to
>>>>> rely
>>>>> on
>>>>> the dss office or the school's version or wait for their licenses of it
>>>>> for
>>>>> the keys. You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop around
>>>>> campus
>>>>> well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put it in a
>>>>> laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available for
>>>>> purchase
>>>>> all major stores. Or, you can purchase a netbook which is smaller than
>>>>> a
>>>>> laptop and, it works great with jfw. My sister has one as a matter of
>>>>> fact
>>>>> it's her second one to be certain of that!
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have you
>>>>> advised
>>>>> the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email of your
>>>>> concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web site.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are using
>>>>> what
>>>>> format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a
>>>>> accessible
>>>>> format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I began at
>>>>> my
>>>>> community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my books on my
>>>>> own
>>>>> or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to name a
>>>>> few.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you. I hope
>>>>> that
>>>>> you can use them to your advantage. Take care and good luck!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hugs,
>>>>> amy
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just want to vent. My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and they’re
>>>>> the
>>>>> largest community college in the commonwealth. Yo They got over five
>>>>> campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and
>>>>> figured
>>>>> extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work. No one’s
>>>>> hiring
>>>>> so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any texts. I am
>>>>> still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member can
>>>>> read
>>>>> meanwhile til I find a reader at school. If the publisher won’t give us
>>>>> the
>>>>> e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before. The instructor
>>>>> wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me the
>>>>> steps.
>>>>> Hmm. Maybe I need a laptop. But I hate the idea of lugging the thing
>>>>> around!
>>>>> They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd. They need
>>>>> lots
>>>>> of them. what if another blind student needs jaws in a classroom lab?
>>>>>
>>>>> Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource to get
>>>>> it
>>>>> brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to
>>>>> braille
>>>>> tests!
>>>>>
>>>>> Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff and
>>>>> counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks. I bet its not
>>>>> ADA
>>>>> compliant. I don’t know though. Its certainly confusing for a blind
>>>>> traveler. Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a lot since
>>>>> its
>>>>> not laid out well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class too.
>>>>> Publishers need to get with the program!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
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