[nabs-l] school is not accommodating

Chris Nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Mon Jan 23 22:00:12 UTC 2012


Hi Joshua,

Don't worry about sending her the Web site link; I already sent 
it to the list.

Chris

"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The 
real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that 
exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and 
opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical 
nuisance."
-- Kenneth Jernigan

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:04:08 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

I'm not using it yet, and haven't downloaded it.
I will, when I get my new Dell, (and trade this piece of trash,) 
(Acer,) in!
I'll E-mail you off list, with the Website.
Blessings, Joshua

On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 good idea; does nvda sound like jaws and where is the website?

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Joshua Lester
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

 Ashley:
 Why not ask them to go to NVDA's Website, and download it on 
every computer?
 They don't need licenses, with NVDA.
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 1/22/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Amy,
 I am pretty sure I will get a laptop; I'll share it with my dad 
though.
 They
 can get expensive, so its best if more than one person use it.
 As for mobility, I did receive an orientation by a mobility 
instructor.
 Also, my parents helped me out.  But its just that the new 
student union
 building with the bookstore, student café and more in it is laid 
out
 weird;
 its not a  particular shape; just a lot of open space.  I'll do 
the best I
 can with it though.  The counseling center is in a corner so it 
shouldn't
 be
 too hard to find.

 I'm looking for readers as well.  So looks like I'll have to 
make my own
 accomodations.  However, I still will plan to speak to whomever 
purchased
 jaws; someone in the office of the vice president.  I find it 
rediculous
 they
 don't have enough licenses; I'm not going to be the last legally 
blind
 student there.

 Another drawback to just using my own equipment is that there is 
learning
 software and databases in the tutoring center and career center.  
If I use
 my
 own equipment, those programs are not on it.
 I'm sure if I request jaws in the career center, I will get the 
same story
 about licenses.  groan.

 Ashley
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Amy Sabo
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:21 AM
 To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] school is not accommodating

 Dear Ashley,
 I'm sorry that you are having difficulties with your situations 
and
 problems
 at a community college.  I too had some of these same problems 
myself when
 I
 began my college experience way back in 2000 where I began at a 
community
 college in Michigan.  And, here's what I had to do in dealing 
with all of
 these problems relating to yours.

 As to the mobility situation on your campus I didn't have any o 
and m
 training even though I had asked the mi commission for some I 
didn't
 receive
 any at all.  So, what I did was try to learn as much on my own 
by asking
 many
 questions and, also asking other students for sighted assistance 
and, then

 I
 knew where to go.  I also had my parents or a sighted friend who 
was in one
 of my classes show me around the campus.  So, those are 2 ideas 
on getting
 around your community college independtally.  As for your it 
class I would
 get a laptop.  I had a voicenote when I was at my community 
college which
 was
 helpful but, it didn't do everything that I needed for my 
classes so, a
 laptop is sooo much beneficial in working on the job and, also 
for
 college.
 And, you can have your own copy of jfw on it and, you don't have 
to rely
 on
 the dss office or the school's version or wait for their 
licenses of it
 for
 the keys.  You said that you don't want to lug a large laptop 
around campus
 well, I used a roller bag for it and, it worked out fine or put 
it in a
 laptop bag for a backpack or messenger bag which is available 
for purchase
 all major stores.  Or, you can purchase a netbook which is 
smaller than a
 laptop and, it works great with jfw.  My sister has one as a 
matter of fact
 it's her second one to be certain of that!

 As for the school's web site not being accessible with jfw have 
you
 advised
 the dss office of this? If yes or no then send a friendly email 
of your
 concerns and frustrations to the webmaster of the school's web 
site.

 As for the cd for the textbook or other materials that you are 
using what
 format is it in? as for all of the it books try to get them in a
 accessible
 format on your own or get the dss office to assist you? When I 
began at my
 community college this happened to me and, I had to scan my 
books on my
 own
 or have a reader or a family member be my reader for me.

 Besides rfbd there's other resources like bookshare or nls to 
name a few.

 So, there are many resources and ideas that I have given to you.  
I hope
 that
 you can use them to your advantage.  Take care and good luck!




 Hugs,
 amy

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
 Behalf
 Of Ashley Bramlett
 Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:14 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: [nabs-l] school is not accomodating

 Hi all,

 Just want to vent.  My school doesn’t seem very accomodating and 
they’re
 the
 largest community college in the commonwealth.  Yo They got over 
five
 campuses and you can read about at www.nvcc.edu.

 I’m just taking further classes to get a writing certificate and 
figured
 extra knowledge will enhance my resume as I look for work.  No 
one’s hiring
 so it will be a whwile; might as well learn more.

 First, my disability service office, DSO, does not scan any 
texts.  I am
 still waiting for electronic text; fortunately, a family member 
can read
 meanwhile til I find a reader at school.  If the publisher won’t 
give us
 the
 e-book, they likely never will; I mean its been two weeks!

 Second, I am taking that It class as I mentioned before.  The 
instructor
 wanted jaws installed in her office because she needs to show me 
the
 steps.
 Hmm.  Maybe I need a laptop.  But I hate the idea of lugging the 
thing
 around!
 They tell us they don’t have enough licenses; um how absurd.  
They need
 lots
 of them.  what if another blind student needs jaws in a 
classroom lab?

 Third, they cannot braille tests; at least they will outsource 
to get it
 brailled though; just seems like a large school would be able to 
braille
 tests!

 Fourth, this new building which holds the student service stuff 
and
 counseling center is very open few halls, few landmarks.  I bet 
its not ADA
 compliant.  I don’t know though.  Its certainly confusing for a 
blind
 traveler.  Sighted people get lost until they’ve been there a 
lot since its
 not laid out well.

 Not to mention the inaccessible website and CD for the IT class 
too.
 Publishers need to get with the program!

 Ashley
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