[nabs-l] It's official!

Thu Jan 26 01:02:45 UTC 2012

Hi Steve,
But the students could network and do tutoring off list. The list is a good 
way for connections since often we are the only blind student on campus.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 5:56 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!

I believe you may already be saying this, but I want to make sure it is 
clear.  The purpose of the
BlindMath list is to be a resource for information specific to blind persons 
taking math, but this
doesn't mean general tutoring questions.  We also discuss issues related to 
math text accessibility and
the on-going work in that area.  One's best resource is to investigate the 
tutoring resources within
one's school.  It is very likely that the tutors available will not have any 
experience with blind
persons and the student and the tutor will have to work out techniques to 
get the information needed.
This is not really a bad thing, though, because as blind people we're going 
to have to develop the
ability to know how to interact with people to get the information we need, 
particularly in an
employment situation.  "Reasonable accommodations" only go so far, and they 
likely do not mean that an
employer has to hire people having experience with blind persons to interact 
with a blind employee, for
example.  None of the above means that there are not people on the BlindMath 
and other lists who won't
help, there are.  I have seen Arielle's very generous offer, for example, 
and she could be of a lot of
help in getting on the way to being able to use the tutors available at 
one's school.  Certainly charts
and graphs are a challenge.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:36:11 -0500, Marsha Drenth wrote:

>Sorry I didn't mean that they will tutor you, but on that list, there are
>tutors who help blind students with math. I am not aware of a list for
>psychology students for tutoring. Can you take advantage of the tutoring
>services at your college?

>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>Behalf
>Of Gloria G
>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:01 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!

>Hi,
>In this post I read there are list for blind persons taking math and they
>also would be interested in tutoring. Is that the same for psych students?
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!

>>I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because
>>you
>> do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If 
>> you
>> were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then
>> sure.
>> But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, is
>> not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this 
>> list,
>> who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those subjects
>> should not stop you.
>>
>> There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students who
>> are
>> taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
>> sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
>> students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, or
>> community colleges, or universities.
>>
>> Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High
>> school
>> was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my
>> degree.
>> I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
>> because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
>> learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to
>> Braille
>> my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I 
>> got
>> the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. Three
>> courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
>> passed.
>>
>> Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband 
>> is
>> blind, has a degree in mathematics.
>>
>> If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make
>> your
>> life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might
>> need
>> more math and science classes, what are you going to do then?
>>
>> Just my two cents what it is worth,
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of David
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!
>>
>> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I
>> am
>> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion,
>> but
>> I feel it worth saying.
>> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong
>> reasons.
>> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
>> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
>> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even 
>> if
>> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
>> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral
>> Health,
>> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
>> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
>> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements 
>> are
>> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
>> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based
>> on
>> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you 
>> reconsider
>> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
>> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as
>> you
>> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just
>> fulfill
>> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
>> professors push you around.
>> David Bouchard
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester
>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>>> I feel great!
>>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Joushua,
>>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
>> When
>>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great 
>>>>> about
>>>>> it!
>>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
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