[nabs-l] It's official!

Thu Jan 26 03:45:53 UTC 2012

Ashley,

The lists are a good resource, I agree, and you may well be able to get some off-list tutoring.  I just wanted to explain that the purpose of the BlindMath 
was not for on-list tutoring, and also, that you don't necessarily need someone who has work with blind people to be a tutor.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:02:45 -0500, Ashley Bramlett wrote:

>Hi Steve,
>But the students could network and do tutoring off list. The list is a good 
>way for connections since often we are the only blind student on campus.

>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Steve Jacobson
>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 5:56 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!

>I believe you may already be saying this, but I want to make sure it is 
>clear.  The purpose of the
>BlindMath list is to be a resource for information specific to blind persons 
>taking math, but this
>doesn't mean general tutoring questions.  We also discuss issues related to 
>math text accessibility and
>the on-going work in that area.  One's best resource is to investigate the 
>tutoring resources within
>one's school.  It is very likely that the tutors available will not have any 
>experience with blind
>persons and the student and the tutor will have to work out techniques to 
>get the information needed.
>This is not really a bad thing, though, because as blind people we're going 
>to have to develop the
>ability to know how to interact with people to get the information we need, 
>particularly in an
>employment situation.  "Reasonable accommodations" only go so far, and they 
>likely do not mean that an
>employer has to hire people having experience with blind persons to interact 
>with a blind employee, for
>example.  None of the above means that there are not people on the BlindMath 
>and other lists who won't
>help, there are.  I have seen Arielle's very generous offer, for example, 
>and she could be of a lot of
>help in getting on the way to being able to use the tutors available at 
>one's school.  Certainly charts
>and graphs are a challenge.

>Best regards,

>Steve Jacobson

>On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:36:11 -0500, Marsha Drenth wrote:

>>Sorry I didn't mean that they will tutor you, but on that list, there are
>>tutors who help blind students with math. I am not aware of a list for
>>psychology students for tutoring. Can you take advantage of the tutoring
>>services at your college?

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>Behalf
>>Of Gloria G
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:01 PM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!

>>Hi,
>>In this post I read there are list for blind persons taking math and they
>>also would be interested in tutoring. Is that the same for psych students?
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:50 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] It's official!

>>>I too, would say something to the below. If your changing majors because
>>>you
>>> do not want to do more math, or sciences, that is a bit concerning. If 
>>> you
>>> were changing majors because that is truly where you want to go, then
>>> sure.
>>> But changing majors because you feel you can't do the math or science, is
>>> not for the right reason. I am sure there are lots of others on this 
>>> list,
>>> who could tell you, you can do the math, and the sciences. Those subjects
>>> should not stop you.
>>>
>>> There is an entire list through the NFB dedicated for blind students who
>>> are
>>> taking math; its members are students, tutors, teachers, both blind and
>>> sighted. Every single person on that list thinks and knows that blind
>>> students can participate in math class, whether it is in high school, or
>>> community colleges, or universities.
>>>
>>> Let me relay a short story here, I am not a traditional student. High
>>> school
>>> was almost 18 years ago, so here I am back taking courses to get my
>>> degree.
>>> I needed statistics, and biology. I had to start at the beginning. And
>>> because I was able to see in high school I have the added challenge of
>>> learning Nemith Braille. I pushed my community college here in PA to
>>> Braille
>>> my math text books. At first they kicked and screamed, but I pushed. I 
>>> got
>>> the book, and they Braille every single math book I had after that. Three
>>> courses worth. I passed with all A's. Biology was a little harder but I
>>> passed.
>>>
>>> Lots and lots of blind students have taken math and science. My husband 
>>> is
>>> blind, has a degree in mathematics.
>>>
>>> If I can do it, you can do it! Come on, did changing majors really make
>>> your
>>> life that much easier? If you are to go to a major university you might
>>> need
>>> more math and science classes, what are you going to do then?
>>>
>>> Just my two cents what it is worth,
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of David
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:47 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it's official!
>>>
>>> Hello, Josh. I read your email and cannot help commenting ont it. What I
>>> am
>>> about to say will most likely sound harsh and critical in your opinion,
>>> but
>>> I feel it worth saying.
>>> I am concerned that you are switching majors for entirely the wrong
>>> reasons.
>>> Your only reasons appear to be that the classes that you need for an
>>> education major are not accomodating you as you think they should. That's
>>> fine and good, but that is a terrible reason to switch your major, even 
>>> if
>>> Behavioral Health and Education are somewhat similar in the clientele you
>>> may work with. If your true passion is education, and not Behavioral
>>> Health,
>>> then DO NOT switch because of coursework as it relates to your blindness.
>>> Also, it disturbs me that you say that you have control of your life, and
>>> that the sighted are not "bossing you around" anymore. Your statements 
>>> are
>>> false, for you do not seem to have control of your education, and the
>>> sighted are dictating your choices if you're going to switch majors based
>>> on
>>> accomoadations which you hope to receive. All I ask is that you 
>>> reconsider
>>> your decition, and decide whether it is based on your fears and
>>> insecurities, or whether it is based on logical career choices, such as
>>> you
>>> doing what you enjoy doing, or what will give you job security. Just
>>> fulfill
>>> your potential, and don't let those university bureaucrats and ignorant
>>> professors push you around.
>>> David Bouchard
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Joshua Lester
>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It will be, in a year and a half.
>>>> I'm finally getting a degree, that means something, instead of one,
>>>> that doesn't specialize in one thing.
>>>> I feel great!
>>>> Blessings, JoshuaBlessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 1/25/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Joushua,
>>>>> So does this mean you have more than this one semester left in college?
>>> When
>>>>> is your expected graduated date now?
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:05 AM
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] It's official!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm now a Behavioral Health major!
>>>>>> I can work with rehab, and everything will be accessible.
>>>>>> I have finally regained control of my education, and I feel great 
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> it!
>>>>>> Thanks for all of the advice, and assistance.
>>>>>> This list has helped me regain self-confidence, and I know that I can
>>>>>> do anything I want to do.
>>>>>> The sighted can't boss me around, anymore!
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
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