[nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum

Fri Jul 13 01:04:38 UTC 2012

Well Brandon, my feelings on this is that it has never been "gross" to me.
And the first body I touched was definitely not hairy. As to allowing a
person to grab a breast just because he is blind, is highly inappropriate.
It's one of the reason my wife will not be by herself at conventions if she
can help it.  fI'm quite aware that the ADA is suppose to give us equal
access to our surroundings.  However, it does not apply to just groping
someone, just because you are blind and want to know what the "hot babe"
looks like.  And blind or sighted, grope my wife and there will be hell to
pay.  There are other ways to learn such things as you have asked about.  If
all else fails, use your own money to invest in your education.  

Loren 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:13 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum

Hello,
Again, we're assuming that a blind person knows what a kiss is in the first
place, we're assuming that they know that you're supposed to touch the other
person when they kiss and we're also asuming that they know that kissing can
be more than a brush of the lips.
I didn't realize the last 2 till I started reading books. The first time I
read a graphical description of a French kiss I about through down my PDA I
was like, That's gross!!!
I wasn't able to feel the passion and emotion put into the kiss and how was
I supposed to know that the tongue played a role in much of kissing?
It reminds me of another book I read where a robot was going through a love
scene and he was doing what seemed to please the woman till the woman stuck
her tongue in his ear. He jumped up and started screaming because that was
just so unexpected.
Blind kids who don't read are at a total disadvantage when it comes to
kissing for the first time, because they don't really know what entails. Of
course they can learn through experience, but I know for me personally,
learning through experience has really turned me off of kissing and romantic
encounters altogether. I had to get used to the fact that, yes, this is what
people do and yes, that's a way to show affection.
On another note, when I first felt what a naked woman looked like, I thought
it was pretty gross as well! Who knew they were that harry? I thought women
didn't grow hair on their body? It's only been through time that I've come
to realize the beauty in mail and female bodies and it has been my active
exploration of romance that I've found the beauty in many of the nasty
things that are a part of romance.
It's an uncomfortable subject that most people aren't really willing to talk
about, let alone teach and I think much of us blind folks are really delayed
when it comes to these romantic encounters. (Making out for the first time
at 22? I'm 20 and still haven't ever had a good kiss, not seeing a naked
woman till I was 17, not knowing where the umbilical chord is located? I've
never looked at porn and goodness knows I've tried, not knowing that breasts
are private on a woman...) Yes I talked to a TVI who had to tell her student
to stop feeling women's boobs, because no one would stop him. "He's blind
and he can't see me, plus it feels good, so I'll playfully bat him away..."
Ladies does that sound very attractive, having a blind guy touch your
breasts in greeting? And if you got into a relationship he wouldn't just
touch yours, he'd touch everyone's?
Parents often have a hard time with teaching their blind kids how to play, I
don't think there's going to be much teaching about love or sex in that
household.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:32 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum

Hi Brandon,
Again, you're making a lot of valid points, but I have to question one
statement you made concerning seeing couples making out and all that.
Sighted people don't just watch what's being done and then automatically do
it right 100% of the time, either. In fact, with sex there is no right or
wrong, just what turns each individual on.
Learning what that is in each new relationship is like driving a new car.
You may know the rules of the road, but depending on the size of the car,
the speed you're going, how much traffic is on the road, and other factors,
you're going to have to navigate with more or less caution each time. Only
by mastering each route as you become more comfortable with it can you fall
into a pattern and stick with it. But if you're used to driving on quiet
country roads, and then all of a sudden you move to New York City, you have
to completely change your approach. Do you see where my analogy is heading?
It's not sight or lack thereof that determines how much pleasure one can
receive intimately. It's the individuals in question, their level of
attraction, and how well they can communicate with each other to say what
feels good and what doesn't. Because let's face it, there's a lot of
feeling. If we spent all our time studying and copying others, we would all
enjoy the same things done the exact same way. And, as I was starting to say
in the beginning of my message, practice makes perfect. No one knows for
sure what works and what doesn't the first few times, or the first few times
in each successive relationship.
Also, I forgot to address something you said in your first message
concerning buying condoms. Honestly, sighted people have anonnymity when
they do this. Whether a blind person knows what kind they want or not, they
have to face the embarrassment of going up to the counter, asking for
assistance, and then having to tell the clerk what they want. Unfortunately,
there's just no way around that, so either way we lose on that scale. Maybe
ordering them online could be an option if people don't want to take that
route. Frankly, when I was a teenager, I wouldn't have felt comfortable with
that either.

On 7/12/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> Nope; we are at a disadvantage in learning about sex. I think this  
> survey is a good idea.
> Without any vision, perhaps you don't realize how visual stuff is and 
> what you are missing. Sex is portrayed in videos and pictures. Sighted 
> kids learn
>
> from tv, movies, books and magazines. We do not see those pictures.
> I remember this  sex stuff as part of health class. We did not discuss 
> anything controversial. We just learned about the body parts and 
> functions;
>
> however, it was  kind of confusing without the visual pictures.
> Come on, even if you wait til marriage, do you really want your wife 
> teaching you basic stuff about this activity?
> Also, books do not mean much without a reference explaining the act. I 
> know
>
> from experience. When a book says a certain term, I had no clue what 
> it meant without looking it up! I won't get into details other than to 
> say I know less about sex than my peers my age.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>
> Hi, Amber!
> You're right!
> BTW, I like the lyrics in your signature!
> That's one of my favorite songs!
> Welcome to the list!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 7/12/12, Herrin, Amber R. <herrinar at muohio.edu> wrote:
>> Dear Joshua,
>>
>> I have to agree with you here!  For me, the idea of knowing about 
>> sex, before I'm sharing it with my husband, is kind of...unnecessary, I
guess?
>> Maybe the wrong answer, and I understand that not everyone believes 
>> you should wait until marriage as I do, but I think that being blind 
>> doesn't prevent us from finding out about it the same way sighted 
>> people do-experiment (isn't that what most people do anyway?) or read 
>> books written on the topic (how confusing can text be?)
>>
>> Amber R. Herrin
>> Assistive Technology Trainer in Training: 2012
>> Mobile: (513) 593-5855
>> E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
>> "It doesn't matter what you've heard
>> Impossible is not a word
>> It's just a reason
>> For someone not to try
>>
>> Everybody's scared to death
>> When they decide to take that step
>> Out on the water
>> It'll be alright
>>
>> Life is so much more
>> Than what your eyes are seeing
>> You will find your way
>> If you keep believing"
>> -Kutless "What Faith Can Do"
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:35 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>>
>> I personally did fine, in those courses, in school, without the new 
>> proposed curriculum, that they're wanting.
>> I don't see the need for one, because who really wants to know, 
>> what's being shown, in those slides?
>> Good grief!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 7/11/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have been asked to circulate the following:
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear NFB Member,
>>>>The National Federation of the Blind has been gracious enough to 
>>>>help us with a current project.
>>>>
>>>>We are currently seeking your opinion in a survey that will help us 
>>>>write a curriculum for students with low vision and blindness in the 
>>>>area of sex education.  Currently no curriculum exists for students 
>>>>with low vision and blindness that reflect current education 
>>>>standards.  Young people, educators, and professionals have all 
>>>>indicated that there is a desperate need for such a curriculum.
>>>>We want your voice to impact our work!
>>>>Please take the time to fill out the survey at the link found below:
>>>><https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey>https://www.surve
>>>>ym
>>>>onkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey
>>>>
>>>><https://maverick.hec.ohio-state.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=https
>>>>:/ /www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thank you for your time and consideration of this project!
>>>>Tiffany Wild, Mollie Blackburn, Stacy Kelly, and Caitlin Ryan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thank you,
>>>>Mika Baugh
>>>>National Federation of the Blind
>>>>200 East Wells Street
>>>>      at Jernigan Place
>>>>Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>>P: (410) 659 9314 ext. 2371
>>>>E: <mailto:mbaugh at nfb.org>mbaugh at nfb.org
>>>>W: <http://www.nfb.org>www.nfb.org
>>>>
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