[nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum

Fri Jul 13 01:18:23 UTC 2012

Amen!
Speaking of convention, were you in Dallas this year?
Thanks, Joshua

On 7/12/12, Loren <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Well Brandon, my feelings on this is that it has never been "gross" to me.
> And the first body I touched was definitely not hairy. As to allowing a
> person to grab a breast just because he is blind, is highly inappropriate.
> It's one of the reason my wife will not be by herself at conventions if she
> can help it.  fI'm quite aware that the ADA is suppose to give us equal
> access to our surroundings.  However, it does not apply to just groping
> someone, just because you are blind and want to know what the "hot babe"
> looks like.  And blind or sighted, grope my wife and there will be hell to
> pay.  There are other ways to learn such things as you have asked about.
> If
> all else fails, use your own money to invest in your education.
>
> Loren
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Brandon Keith Biggs
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:13 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>
> Hello,
> Again, we're assuming that a blind person knows what a kiss is in the first
> place, we're assuming that they know that you're supposed to touch the
> other
> person when they kiss and we're also asuming that they know that kissing
> can
> be more than a brush of the lips.
> I didn't realize the last 2 till I started reading books. The first time I
> read a graphical description of a French kiss I about through down my PDA I
> was like, That's gross!!!
> I wasn't able to feel the passion and emotion put into the kiss and how was
> I supposed to know that the tongue played a role in much of kissing?
> It reminds me of another book I read where a robot was going through a love
> scene and he was doing what seemed to please the woman till the woman stuck
> her tongue in his ear. He jumped up and started screaming because that was
> just so unexpected.
> Blind kids who don't read are at a total disadvantage when it comes to
> kissing for the first time, because they don't really know what entails. Of
> course they can learn through experience, but I know for me personally,
> learning through experience has really turned me off of kissing and
> romantic
> encounters altogether. I had to get used to the fact that, yes, this is
> what
> people do and yes, that's a way to show affection.
> On another note, when I first felt what a naked woman looked like, I
> thought
> it was pretty gross as well! Who knew they were that harry? I thought women
> didn't grow hair on their body? It's only been through time that I've come
> to realize the beauty in mail and female bodies and it has been my active
> exploration of romance that I've found the beauty in many of the nasty
> things that are a part of romance.
> It's an uncomfortable subject that most people aren't really willing to
> talk
> about, let alone teach and I think much of us blind folks are really
> delayed
> when it comes to these romantic encounters. (Making out for the first time
> at 22? I'm 20 and still haven't ever had a good kiss, not seeing a naked
> woman till I was 17, not knowing where the umbilical chord is located? I've
> never looked at porn and goodness knows I've tried, not knowing that
> breasts
> are private on a woman...) Yes I talked to a TVI who had to tell her
> student
> to stop feeling women's boobs, because no one would stop him. "He's blind
> and he can't see me, plus it feels good, so I'll playfully bat him away..."
> Ladies does that sound very attractive, having a blind guy touch your
> breasts in greeting? And if you got into a relationship he wouldn't just
> touch yours, he'd touch everyone's?
> Parents often have a hard time with teaching their blind kids how to play,
> I
> don't think there's going to be much teaching about love or sex in that
> household.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Desiree Oudinot
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>
> Hi Brandon,
> Again, you're making a lot of valid points, but I have to question one
> statement you made concerning seeing couples making out and all that.
> Sighted people don't just watch what's being done and then automatically do
> it right 100% of the time, either. In fact, with sex there is no right or
> wrong, just what turns each individual on.
> Learning what that is in each new relationship is like driving a new car.
> You may know the rules of the road, but depending on the size of the car,
> the speed you're going, how much traffic is on the road, and other factors,
> you're going to have to navigate with more or less caution each time. Only
> by mastering each route as you become more comfortable with it can you fall
> into a pattern and stick with it. But if you're used to driving on quiet
> country roads, and then all of a sudden you move to New York City, you have
> to completely change your approach. Do you see where my analogy is heading?
> It's not sight or lack thereof that determines how much pleasure one can
> receive intimately. It's the individuals in question, their level of
> attraction, and how well they can communicate with each other to say what
> feels good and what doesn't. Because let's face it, there's a lot of
> feeling. If we spent all our time studying and copying others, we would all
> enjoy the same things done the exact same way. And, as I was starting to
> say
> in the beginning of my message, practice makes perfect. No one knows for
> sure what works and what doesn't the first few times, or the first few
> times
> in each successive relationship.
> Also, I forgot to address something you said in your first message
> concerning buying condoms. Honestly, sighted people have anonnymity when
> they do this. Whether a blind person knows what kind they want or not, they
> have to face the embarrassment of going up to the counter, asking for
> assistance, and then having to tell the clerk what they want.
> Unfortunately,
> there's just no way around that, so either way we lose on that scale. Maybe
> ordering them online could be an option if people don't want to take that
> route. Frankly, when I was a teenager, I wouldn't have felt comfortable
> with
> that either.
>
> On 7/12/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> Nope; we are at a disadvantage in learning about sex. I think this
>> survey is a good idea.
>> Without any vision, perhaps you don't realize how visual stuff is and
>> what you are missing. Sex is portrayed in videos and pictures. Sighted
>> kids learn
>>
>> from tv, movies, books and magazines. We do not see those pictures.
>> I remember this  sex stuff as part of health class. We did not discuss
>> anything controversial. We just learned about the body parts and
>> functions;
>>
>> however, it was  kind of confusing without the visual pictures.
>> Come on, even if you wait til marriage, do you really want your wife
>> teaching you basic stuff about this activity?
>> Also, books do not mean much without a reference explaining the act. I
>> know
>>
>> from experience. When a book says a certain term, I had no clue what
>> it meant without looking it up! I won't get into details other than to
>> say I know less about sex than my peers my age.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:10 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>>
>> Hi, Amber!
>> You're right!
>> BTW, I like the lyrics in your signature!
>> That's one of my favorite songs!
>> Welcome to the list!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 7/12/12, Herrin, Amber R. <herrinar at muohio.edu> wrote:
>>> Dear Joshua,
>>>
>>> I have to agree with you here!  For me, the idea of knowing about
>>> sex, before I'm sharing it with my husband, is kind of...unnecessary, I
> guess?
>>> Maybe the wrong answer, and I understand that not everyone believes
>>> you should wait until marriage as I do, but I think that being blind
>>> doesn't prevent us from finding out about it the same way sighted
>>> people do-experiment (isn't that what most people do anyway?) or read
>>> books written on the topic (how confusing can text be?)
>>>
>>> Amber R. Herrin
>>> Assistive Technology Trainer in Training: 2012
>>> Mobile: (513) 593-5855
>>> E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
>>> "It doesn't matter what you've heard
>>> Impossible is not a word
>>> It's just a reason
>>> For someone not to try
>>>
>>> Everybody's scared to death
>>> When they decide to take that step
>>> Out on the water
>>> It'll be alright
>>>
>>> Life is so much more
>>> Than what your eyes are seeing
>>> You will find your way
>>> If you keep believing"
>>> -Kutless "What Faith Can Do"
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:35 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>>>
>>> I personally did fine, in those courses, in school, without the new
>>> proposed curriculum, that they're wanting.
>>> I don't see the need for one, because who really wants to know,
>>> what's being shown, in those slides?
>>> Good grief!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 7/11/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I have been asked to circulate the following:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear NFB Member,
>>>>>The National Federation of the Blind has been gracious enough to
>>>>>help us with a current project.
>>>>>
>>>>>We are currently seeking your opinion in a survey that will help us
>>>>>write a curriculum for students with low vision and blindness in the
>>>>>area of sex education.  Currently no curriculum exists for students
>>>>>with low vision and blindness that reflect current education
>>>>>standards.  Young people, educators, and professionals have all
>>>>>indicated that there is a desperate need for such a curriculum.
>>>>>We want your voice to impact our work!
>>>>>Please take the time to fill out the survey at the link found below:
>>>>><https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey>https://www.surve
>>>>>ym
>>>>>onkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey
>>>>>
>>>>><https://maverick.hec.ohio-state.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=https
>>>>>:/ /www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you for your time and consideration of this project!
>>>>>Tiffany Wild, Mollie Blackburn, Stacy Kelly, and Caitlin Ryan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you,
>>>>>Mika Baugh
>>>>>National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>200 East Wells Street
>>>>>      at Jernigan Place
>>>>>Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>>>P: (410) 659 9314 ext. 2371
>>>>>E: <mailto:mbaugh at nfb.org>mbaugh at nfb.org
>>>>>W: <http://www.nfb.org>www.nfb.org
>>>>>
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