[nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
Loren
isaiah5719 at mchsi.com
Fri Jul 13 01:14:26 UTC 2012
One can marry on SSI. But as a married couple, you onle receive 1.5 of the
amount 2 people just living together would receive. I don't agree with
that, but right now, that's the way it is.
As to when will marriage come, that is a big question for everyone.
Loren
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 5:59 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
My sex ed was a lot of lies. Desiree, you wrote a really good post.
Honesftly, I went to Catholic school, then a conservative high school, but
that didn't exactly stop me from doing it before marriage. My question is,
when will marriage come? I'm not exactly able to marry due to the drawing
of SSI, so marriage will not come between me and my current boyfriend till
later. I am currently dating someone who went through a pretty strict
"abstinence only" sex ed, and his wording of this educational curriculum
was, "Well, they said that since we're blind, we don't know where to put
everything. So they taught us that it wasn't for us." Something like that.
I can't remember exactly whuat else he said besides.
Beth
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amber R. Herrin" <herrinar at muohio.edu
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
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Date sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:39:08 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
Desiree,
This was very well thought out. I suppose though I worded it differently, I
kind of meant the same thing: why do we need something different?
Best,
Amber
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:35 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
Hi,
Brandon, I couldn't agree more with your post. Very well said.
but I have to
say that it's not just blind people who aren't taught these things. While
sighted people may be more exposed to sex from watching people make out or
get physical, and this could even include their parents, sex ed curriculums
in general aren't exactly top notch. Most are abstinence only, with a
distinct slant towards the doom and gloom side of things. It makes
everything risque for kids who are saying, "what's the big deal?"
And
honestly, if they take the right precautions, they may be right.
Have any of
you ever checked out avert.org? It's an Aids charity which has a wealth of
information directed at teens. There are stories about teens'
first sexual
experiences. While some do indeed end in heartbreak or STD's, there are
plenty of others who attest to the fact that, while relationships don't have
to last forever, teens can be content with their sexuality, their choices
and their feelings. There are people who have sex at a young age who don't
regret it, who don't live in crappy apartments with rats crawling up the
walls while they prostitute themselves to support the baby they made at 14.
So, in high school and younger, lots of misinformation flies from one
inexperienced ear to another, and that's how people not only face
consequences when they experiment, but also harbor guilt and shame when they
feel they have no one they can turn to. Their friends may have steered them
in the wrong direction with outright lies, however well-intentioned they may
have been, and parents are often so uncomfortable with seeing their children
as sexual beings that they never do much besides mumble something about the
birds and the bees, and then, in a much more emphatic voice, say, JUST DON'T
DO IT! Well, we all know how well that kind of thing works most of the time!
And the schools are basically doing the same thing by teaching abstinence
only, when you think about it.
Now, how does blindness factor into this? Truthfully, in an educational
sense, it doesn't, in my opinion. Blind people are experiencing the same
feelings and desires as sighted people. They talk to their friends, whether
they're blind or sighted, about these topics just as sighted people talk to
other sighted people about them.
Blind people watch movies where sex and masturbation are discussed or acted
out, and with described movies, while the describer isn't going to go into
explicit detail, they will say something about the activity being discussed.
Let's also not forget that partially sighted people are probably going to
pick up a Playboy or watch porn at some point.
There's still the same danger of misinformation, and the same parental
reluctance to discuss these topics. the only slight difference may be that
parents may balk more at the idea of their blind child having sex than they
would at their sighted child doing the same thing. I speak from personal
experience on this one--my parents used to tell me I shouldn't have sex
because I was blind, not so much because of the physical act but because of
the fact I could get pregnant, and God forbid a blind person should become a
parent.
In summation, I don't think a separate curriculum needs to be written up for
blind people about this sensitive subject. For one thing, blindness doesn't
mean you have to do things differently, and I feel that the blind are
already singled out enough that trying to alter the sex ed curriculum for us
would just lead to even more awkwardness and embarrassment. Sex ed
curriculums need to become more inclusive in general, and the teachers who
teach them need to make an effort not to let their personal feelings and
biases get in the way. If a teacher can't do that, perhaps they shouldn't be
handling the material. If psychologists and others in the helping profession
must remain objective about their clients and work, so too should teachers.
It's sex ed itself that needs an overhaul, not nit picking at something
that's way far from the root of the problem.
On 7/12/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
Brandon, the stuff you mentioned, is something that I'm glad that I don't
see.
JMHO!
Blessings, Joshua
On 7/12/12, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello,
Sighted people are exposed to sex all the time, haven't you heard of
playboy
or penthouse? Also, what about those people making out on the bus? Or the
gay couple walking down the sidewalk in skirts and bikini?
All
that we miss
because we're blind.
Books are grate, but you can only learn so much from a manual.
Sighted kids
get pictures, we should get to feel. Also, how is a blind person supposed
to
know they have an STD if they have never felt one? How do they know it's
not
just a cut or dehydration?
Sighted people are given extensive viewings of the peaness and vagina in
class or in pictures, why can't blind people get the same?
Frankly I believe that the art of giving pleasure has become such a
suppressed skill that people have even resorted to substance abuse to
obtain
pleasure. Our bodies were meant to give us pleasure, why aren't we taught
to
utilize these pleasure factories? What's the meaning of life? To love and
be
happy! Why aren't we taught to be happy, to give pleasure, to love our
selves in school?
It's a fundamental wrong that I find is a crime against the words human
beings, but that's kind of a different issue.
But if this curriculum is any bit good, teachers will adopt it instead of
the droll thing they have now.
btw what about feeling a condom, diaphragm or dental dam? How is a blind
person supposed to know what one looks like if they haven't felt one or
tried it on? Also, how does a blind person shop for contraception's?
Me: "Next on my list is condoms." Walgreens guy: "OK, what brand do you
want? Durex, Trojan, Crown, Kimono..." Me: "Uh, what's your favorite?"
Walgreens guy: "Most people get Trojan, what size do you want?
We've
got small, medium, large and extra large. We've also got narrow and wide.
Here
are some flavors as well..."
That's just a wall greens guy who is comfortable, what if it's one of the
really shy ladies who doesn't speak English? Sighted people can be
unobtrusive and just buy the condom or diaphragm along with their lube
where
as a blind person has to know what questions to ask and know what brands
to
get. I learned what questions to ask when shopping by watching my parents,
but I've never seen my parents buy condoms.
It's a serious issue and this program will help address those problems.
And
what about masturbation? I've rarely read a book where masturbation is
talked about and I've read a lot of books! How does a guy masturbate
without
making a mess?
Sex Ed is not just about a sperm and an egg get together to form a baby,
that's more science.
Sex Ed is about sex and it's an issue that blind people fall way short in
when it comes to being educated along with their fellow students.
Thanks,
Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Herrin, Amber R.
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:40 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
Dear Joshua,
I have to agree with you here! For me, the idea of knowing about sex,
before I'm sharing it with my husband, is kind of...unnecessary, I guess?
Maybe the wrong answer, and I understand that not everyone believes you
should wait until marriage as I do, but I think that being blind doesn't
prevent us from finding out about it the same way sighted people
do-experiment (isn't that what most people do anyway?) or read books
written on the topic (how confusing can text be?)
Amber R. Herrin
Assistive Technology Trainer in Training: 2012
Mobile: (513) 593-5855
E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
"It doesn't matter what you've heard
Impossible is not a word
It's just a reason
For someone not to try
Everybody's scared to death
When they decide to take that step
Out on the water
It'll be alright
Life is so much more
Than what your eyes are seeing
You will find your way
If you keep believing"
-Kutless "What Faith Can Do"
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:35 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
I personally did fine, in those courses, in school, without the new
proposed curriculum, that they're wanting.
I don't see the need for one, because who really wants to know, what's
being shown, in those slides?
Good grief!
Blessings, Joshua
On 7/11/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
I have been asked to circulate the following:
Dave
Dear NFB Member,
The National Federation of the Blind has been gracious enough to help us
with a current project.
We are currently seeking your opinion in a survey that will help us write a
curriculum for students with low vision and blindness in the area of sex
education. Currently no curriculum exists for students with low vision and
blindness that reflect current education standards. Young people,
educators, and professionals have all indicated that there is a desperate
need for such a curriculum.
We want your voice to impact our work!
Please take the time to fill out the survey at the link found
below:
<https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey>https://www.su
rve
ym
onkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey
<https://maverick.hec.ohio-state.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=ht
tps
:/ /www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey
Thank you for your time and consideration of this project!
Tiffany Wild, Mollie Blackburn, Stacy Kelly, and Caitlin Ryan
Thank you,
Mika Baugh
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street
at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
P: (410) 659 9314 ext. 2371
E: <mailto:mbaugh at nfb.org>mbaugh at nfb.org
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