[nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum

Steve Jacobson steve.jacobson at visi.com
Fri Jul 13 02:23:18 UTC 2012 

It seems to me that we're straying off the real issue here.  I'm an old guy, so what do I know, but it seems the issue is whether we as blind people could get 
more specific and  correct information about the human anatomy than we generally get now as we grow up.  To me, the issue is how could we get more 
meaningful information without having it all turned into some kind of circus in the process.  I'm at least going to take a look at the survey to see what 
exactly they are getting at.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:39:26 -0500, Sophie Trist wrote:

>Brandon, it's not that we're not tought how to be happy, give 
>pleasure, and all that other stuff. It's just that... well, no 
>offense, but most of that stuff you said was a little gross. I 
>mean, I reeeeeeeeally don't need to know if there's a couple 
>making out in front of me on the bus. I can get descriptions of 
>that stuff from books. And those are plenty descriptive enough 
>for me, thanks. Of course, this is just my humble opinion.

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:46:05 -0700
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum

>Hello,
>Sighted people are exposed to sex all the time, haven't you heard 
>of playboy
>or penthouse? Also, what about those people making out on the 
>bus? Or the
>gay couple walking down the sidewalk in skirts and bikini? All 
>that we miss
>because we're blind.
>Books are grate, but you can only learn so much from a manual. 
>Sighted kids
>get pictures, we should get to feel. Also, how is a blind person 
>supposed to
>know they have an STD if they have never felt one? How do they 
>know it's not
>just a cut or dehydration?
>Sighted people are given extensive viewings of the peaness and 
>vagina in
>class or in pictures, why can't blind people get the same?
>Frankly I believe that the art of giving pleasure has become such 
>a
>suppressed skill that people have even resorted to substance 
>abuse to obtain
>pleasure. Our bodies were meant to give us pleasure, why aren't 
>we taught to
>utilize these pleasure factories? What's the meaning of life? To 
>love and be
>happy! Why aren't we taught to be happy, to give pleasure, to 
>love our
>selves in school?
>It's a fundamental wrong that I find is a crime against the words 
>human
>beings, but that's kind of a different issue.
>But if this curriculum is any bit good, teachers will adopt it 
>instead of
>the droll thing they have now.

>btw what about feeling a condom, diaphragm or dental dam? How is 
>a blind
>person supposed to know what one looks like if they haven't felt 
>one or
>tried it on? Also, how does a blind person shop for 
>contraception's?
>Me: "Next on my list is condoms." Walgreens guy: "OK, what brand 
>do you
>want? Durex, Trojan, Crown, Kimono..." Me: "Uh, what's your 
>favorite?"
>Walgreens guy: "Most people get Trojan, what size do you want? 
>We've got
>small, medium, large and extra large. We've also got narrow and 
>wide. Here
>are some flavors as well..."

>That's just a wall greens guy who is comfortable, what if it's 
>one of the
>really shy ladies who doesn't speak English? Sighted people can 
>be
>unobtrusive and just buy the condom or diaphragm along with their 
>lube where
>as a blind person has to know what questions to ask and know what 
>brands to
>get. I learned what questions to ask when shopping by watching my 
>parents,
>but I've never seen my parents buy condoms.
>It's a serious issue and this program will help address those 
>problems. And
>what about masturbation? I've rarely read a book where 
>masturbation is
>talked about and I've read a lot of books! How does a guy 
>masturbate without
>making a mess?
>Sex Ed is not just about a sperm and an egg get together to form 
>a baby,
>that's more science.
>Sex Ed is about sex and it's an issue that blind people fall way 
>short in
>when it comes to being educated along with their fellow students.
>Thanks,

>Brandon Keith Biggs
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Herrin, Amber R.
>Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:40 AM
>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum

>Dear Joshua,

>I have to agree with you here!  For me, the idea of knowing about 
>sex,
>before I'm sharing it with my husband, is kind of...unnecessary, 
>I guess?
>Maybe the wrong answer, and I understand that not everyone 
>believes you
>should wait until marriage as I do, but I think that being blind 
>doesn't
>prevent us from finding out about it the same way sighted people
>do-experiment (isn't that what most people do anyway?) or read 
>books written
>on the topic (how confusing can text be?)

>Amber R. Herrin
>Assistive Technology Trainer in Training: 2012
>Mobile: (513) 593-5855
>E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
>"It doesn't matter what you've heard
>Impossible is not a word
>It's just a reason
>For someone not to try

>Everybody's scared to death
>When they decide to take that step
>Out on the water
>It'll be alright

>Life is so much more
>Than what your eyes are seeing
>You will find your way
>If you keep believing"
>-Kutless "What Faith Can Do"

>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of Joshua Lester
>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:35 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum

>I personally did fine, in those courses, in school, without the 
>new proposed
>curriculum, that they're wanting.
>I don't see the need for one, because who really wants to know, 
>what's being
>shown, in those slides?
>Good grief!
>Blessings, Joshua

>On 7/11/12, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:

>I have been asked to circulate the following:


> Dave




>Dear NFB Member,
>The National Federation of the Blind has been gracious enough to 
>help
>us with a current project.

>We are currently seeking your opinion in a survey that will help 
>us
>write a curriculum for students with low vision and blindness in 
>the
>area of sex education.  Currently no curriculum exists for 
>students
>with low vision and blindness that reflect current education
>standards.  Young people, educators, and professionals have all
>indicated that there is a desperate need for such a curriculum.
>We want your voice to impact our work!
>Please take the time to fill out the survey at the link found 
>below:
><https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey>https://www.su
>rveym
>onkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey

><https://maverick.hec.ohio-state.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=ht
>tps:/
>/www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey



>Thank you for your time and consideration of this project!
>Tiffany Wild, Mollie Blackburn, Stacy Kelly, and Caitlin Ryan



>Thank you,
>Mika Baugh
>National Federation of the Blind
>200 East Wells Street
>      at Jernigan Place
>Baltimore, MD 21230
>P: (410) 659 9314 ext. 2371
>E: <mailto:mbaugh at nfb.org>mbaugh at nfb.org
>W: <http://www.nfb.org>www.nfb.org

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