[nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum

Tue Jul 17 01:53:25 UTC 2012

Kirt and all,
I believe we said a lot in the day and a half the thread was active because 
those contributing feel passionate one way or another. As for me, I know I 
missed out on some class instruction due to the visual stuff and as has been 
said by Brandon Keith Biggs and a few others, I don't see people showing 
love in public. Its true that it can be a deficite; I did not know what a 
french kis was til I asked a family member.
I guess we were sharing our views and experiences . This list definitely 
does that. As someone who felt my knowledge was lacking partly because of 
lack of visual observation, I certainly wanted to put in my two cents.

I think we all talked a lot because its summer and well just a hot issue. I 
hope you do not unsubscribe, Kirt. Honestly, I've enjoyed your comments when 
you do talk. Also, I' understand you may be annoyed by the traffic flow, but 
really, usually its not bad. I often get  15 or less messages a day.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kirt Manwaring
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 5:44 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum

Tyler,
  There are one hundred messages here.  I've written one.  This list
is a great resource, occasionally there's a diamond hidden in in the
rough, so I stay on and read, time permitting.  I just think it's
unprofessional and, really not all that courteous, to repeat yourself
twenty plus times on a list that is archived and read by who knows how
many people.  I mean, think about it, how many times have people just
said the exact same thing on this thread, over and over again, using
maybe different words but not saying anything new?  I'm going to go;
I've got work to do in this glass house and, really, I don't have time
to throw any more stones.  :)
  Best,
Kirt

On 7/16/12, Littlefield, Tyler <tyler at tysdomain.com> wrote:
> I'm not really sure I can agree with this. Be cutting all you want, but
> if it's that bad, you can easily unsubscribe. It's just a few clicks
> away. I don't want to push someone off, but if you're going to scream
> about wasting time while simultaneously contributing to the "circus,"
> you might want to do some rethinking. Those who live in glass houses
> should not throw stones.
>
> This list does get insane, as do some of the topics. But you can either
> just make great use of the delete key, or unsubscribe; this honestly
> goes for all the lists I'm not on, just this one. I've yet to see one
> where there's 100% information and 0% trash.
>
> On another note, I am sort of confused as to the point of this topic. If
> you're going to bump uglies for the first time with someone, you should
> be comfortable with them enough to be able to tell them you are lost and
> let them help you. If you are both new to it, find someone you trust and
> ask questions, but figuring stuff out sort of adds a whole new level to
> the deal. Just inject some common sense in, as with anything and life is
> good.
>
> I'm really not understanding the point of an adapted cariculum. If
> you're taking the class and want to know something, you can easily ask
> whoever is teaching the class, or go up after if that's the case. If
> not, hell, use google, to ask your questions.
>
> On 7/16/2012 2:50 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>    Sometimes I think I should come back to this list and regularly
>> contribute...then I see the circus it so easily becomes.  What I'm
>> about to say, I mean with as much respect as possible, but, honestly,
>> how do you people have the time for this?  If we spent half the time
>> we do e-mailing looking for jobs, I bet that 70 percent unemployment
>> rate might be just a bit lower...something to think about?
>>    Best,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 7/16/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Carley,
>>> Can you refrain from using bad language. Others have already said its 
>>> not
>>> a
>>> separate curriculum. Did you all who complain take the survey?
>>> I did not yet. But due to the visual stuff about it, it’s a good idea.
>>> We
>>> cannot se it in movies, in magazines, or making out in public. I think a
>>> book about it and the reproductive system woule be real helpful. I would
>>> love to see the  curriculum once developed.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Carly Mihalakis
>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:05 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>>>
>>> I know. How is it that people, due to a coincidental absence of  an
>>> ocular, input get off thinking themselves special that they require
>>> some  overly adapted curriculum or equipment for participating in one
>>> of life's building blocks? I mean, how 'bout a special blinkie
>>> toilet? This is how a blind man wipes his ass, see look, it's
>>> especially adapted for the sightless among us, it's made for the ass
>>> of a blind man, nobody else can use it. How is sex ed different than
>>> math or science or any thing else?  Most
>>>> subjects have a visual component.  Does that mean  that we need a
>>>> special curriculum for every thing?  You learn about sex in the same
>>>> way
>>>> you learn about any other social interaction.  Like some other people
>>>> on
>>>> the list, I don't understand why this can't be discussed openly on the
>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:07 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I don't see why this discussion should be banned from the list. This is
>>>> just my opinion, and I don't mean to be rude, but it seems to me that
>>>> there is a lot of hesitation and outright disgust that's being talked
>>>> about here. And, let's be honest, how are we ever going to clear up
>>>> people's misconceptions if we don't talk about them?
>>>> I think it's probably easier for people to discuss these matters on a
>>>> list where they can be anonymous. Given the ages of some of the people
>>>> here, I can see why there would be some embarrassment involved if some
>>>> of you don't know what certain things are. I think it's probably
>>>> beneficial at this point to try and help each other out. It's a little
>>>> late for us to have better sex ed, so why not try to stop all this
>>>> nervous tittering about terminology? The terms Brandon used weren't
>>>> offensive. They were the anatomically correct terms. Plus, while I hink
>>>> the examples he uses are slightly exaggerated, that's not to say they
>>>> can never happen, and I think if we're going to have a discussion of
>>>> this nature, we need to be up front about it. We're all adults here, or
>>>> at least the age of consent.
>>>> I'm not talking about some of the religious convictions that certain
>>>> members have expressed. Those are personal, and if that's how you feel,
>>>> there's nothing wrong with that. But please take a step outside those
>>>> for a moment and think of how this discussion benefits others who are
>>>> reading. I'll bet there are some people who are sitting here reading
>>>> this, and have questions and concerns they would like to express, but
>>>> feel they can't for whatever reason. I implore you all not to ruin it
>>>> for those who really could use this information.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/12/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Don't take this the wrong way, but if any of you have anatomy
>>>>> questions, you can email me offlist at arielle71 at gmail.com Seriously,
>>>>> I did learn a lot about this stuff in my biology classes.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/12/12, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Ashley,
>>>>>> I believe you didn't know about any of these things because you
>>>>>> didn't inform yourself, not because you are blind...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2012, at 4:23 PM, Ashley Bramlett
>>>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sophie,
>>>>>>> I, too, took a sex ed class and it was useful. But, we still lack
>>>>>>> knowledge usually. I don't think this replaces school education, it
>>>>>>> supplements it.
>>>>>>> Having nonvisual access such as a description, diagrams, or model
>>>>>>> would further aide in  our understanding of such a matter.
>>>>>>> Guys you may want to skip the next paragraph.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For instance, My brother's wife just had a baby; having not seen or
>>>>>>> been explained what the birth process is, I don't have a clue what
>>>> its about.
>>>>>>> What are contractions? What is ambiotic fluid and what is its role
>>>>>>> in supporting the fetus? I still don't understand how a baby gets
>>>>>>> nurishment as its in the mother. I know from the mother's food, but
>>>>>>> just how I don't understand.
>>>>>>> They told me Steve, my brother, cut the umbilical cord.
>>>>>>> But where is that on the baby and mother? Kasey told me she started
>>>>>>> labour in the evening and went to the hospital; she did not have the
>>>>>>> baby til next afternoon! I asked her how she managed it; wasn't she
>>>>>>> tired? She informed me she slept a little during the night. She told
>>>>>>> me the baby's head came out first which was normal. I did not know
>>>>>>> this. I learned from her as I held my nephew that the head came out
>>>>>>> first and then the trunk and limbs. I learned that babies cried
>>>>>>> after they came out of the womb.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> learned that infants needed to get milk very often. I am hoping
>>>>>>> Kasey will tell me more about her pregnancy and the beginnings of
>>>>>>> it, AKA, the sex part sometime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I'll take that survey that started this.
>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:37 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave, I'm a little confused. I'm going into tenth grade, and I took
>>>>>>> a sex ed class in seventh grade. I found it to be very informative
>>>>>>> despite my blindness. I don't understand why we need a special
>>>>>>> curriculum for sex ed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Date sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:52:03 -0500
>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been asked to circulate the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear NFB Member,
>>>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind has been gracious enough to
>>>>>>> help us with a current project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are currently seeking your opinion in a survey that will help us
>>>>>>> write a curriculum for students with low vision and blindness in the
>>>>>>> area of sex education.  Currently no curriculum exists for students
>>>>>>> with low vision and blindness that reflect current education
>>>>>>> standards.  Young people, educators, and professionals have all
>>>>>>> indicated that there is a desperate need for such a curriculum.
>>>>>>> We want your voice to impact our work!
>>>>>>> Please take the time to fill out the survey at the link found
>>>>>>> below:
>>>>>>> <https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey>https://www.su
>>>>>>> rveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey
>>>>>>>
>>>> <https://maverick.hec.ohio-state.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=ht>>>
>>>> tps://www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for your time and consideration of this project!
>>>>>>> Tiffany Wild, Mollie Blackburn, Stacy Kelly, and Caitlin Ryan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Mika Baugh
>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>> 200 East Wells Street
>>>>>>>      at Jernigan Place
>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>>>>> P: (410) 659 9314 ext. 2371
>>>>>>> E: <mailto:mbaugh at nfb.org>mbaugh at nfb.org
>>>>>>> W: <http://www.nfb.org>www.nfb.org
>>>>>>>
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