[nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum

Tue Jul 17 06:15:45 UTC 2012

Ashley,
  I wasn't going to unsubscribe.  As I said, there's quality stuff
here, sometimes.  I just ask, nicely, that we are mindful of each
others' inboxes, not to mention the public listserve archive.  I
totally concur with Sean (it's rare that I totally concur with anyone,
so kudos to you mr. President, :)), and I think there comes a point
when private conversations straying too far off the original topic
should be taken off-list.  Brandon can write erotica for anyone who
wants to read it, Joshua can lead a virtual e-mail camp meeting for
anyone who wants to attend, everyone's happy.  See?  That, my friends,
is the beauty of off-list e-mails.  :)
Warmest regards,
Kirt

On 7/16/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Kirt and all,
> I believe we said a lot in the day and a half the thread was active because
>
> those contributing feel passionate one way or another. As for me, I know I
> missed out on some class instruction due to the visual stuff and as has been
>
> said by Brandon Keith Biggs and a few others, I don't see people showing
> love in public. Its true that it can be a deficite; I did not know what a
> french kis was til I asked a family member.
> I guess we were sharing our views and experiences . This list definitely
> does that. As someone who felt my knowledge was lacking partly because of
> lack of visual observation, I certainly wanted to put in my two cents.
>
> I think we all talked a lot because its summer and well just a hot issue. I
>
> hope you do not unsubscribe, Kirt. Honestly, I've enjoyed your comments when
>
> you do talk. Also, I' understand you may be annoyed by the traffic flow, but
>
> really, usually its not bad. I often get  15 or less messages a day.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirt Manwaring
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 5:44 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>
> Tyler,
>   There are one hundred messages here.  I've written one.  This list
> is a great resource, occasionally there's a diamond hidden in in the
> rough, so I stay on and read, time permitting.  I just think it's
> unprofessional and, really not all that courteous, to repeat yourself
> twenty plus times on a list that is archived and read by who knows how
> many people.  I mean, think about it, how many times have people just
> said the exact same thing on this thread, over and over again, using
> maybe different words but not saying anything new?  I'm going to go;
> I've got work to do in this glass house and, really, I don't have time
> to throw any more stones.  :)
>   Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 7/16/12, Littlefield, Tyler <tyler at tysdomain.com> wrote:
>> I'm not really sure I can agree with this. Be cutting all you want, but
>> if it's that bad, you can easily unsubscribe. It's just a few clicks
>> away. I don't want to push someone off, but if you're going to scream
>> about wasting time while simultaneously contributing to the "circus,"
>> you might want to do some rethinking. Those who live in glass houses
>> should not throw stones.
>>
>> This list does get insane, as do some of the topics. But you can either
>> just make great use of the delete key, or unsubscribe; this honestly
>> goes for all the lists I'm not on, just this one. I've yet to see one
>> where there's 100% information and 0% trash.
>>
>> On another note, I am sort of confused as to the point of this topic. If
>> you're going to bump uglies for the first time with someone, you should
>> be comfortable with them enough to be able to tell them you are lost and
>> let them help you. If you are both new to it, find someone you trust and
>> ask questions, but figuring stuff out sort of adds a whole new level to
>> the deal. Just inject some common sense in, as with anything and life is
>> good.
>>
>> I'm really not understanding the point of an adapted cariculum. If
>> you're taking the class and want to know something, you can easily ask
>> whoever is teaching the class, or go up after if that's the case. If
>> not, hell, use google, to ask your questions.
>>
>> On 7/16/2012 2:50 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>    Sometimes I think I should come back to this list and regularly
>>> contribute...then I see the circus it so easily becomes.  What I'm
>>> about to say, I mean with as much respect as possible, but, honestly,
>>> how do you people have the time for this?  If we spent half the time
>>> we do e-mailing looking for jobs, I bet that 70 percent unemployment
>>> rate might be just a bit lower...something to think about?
>>>    Best,
>>> Kirt
>>>
>>> On 7/16/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Carley,
>>>> Can you refrain from using bad language. Others have already said its
>>>> not
>>>> a
>>>> separate curriculum. Did you all who complain take the survey?
>>>> I did not yet. But due to the visual stuff about it, it’s a good idea.
>>>> We
>>>> cannot se it in movies, in magazines, or making out in public. I think
>>>> a
>>>> book about it and the reproductive system woule be real helpful. I
>>>> would
>>>> love to see the  curriculum once developed.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Carly Mihalakis
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:05 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>>>>
>>>> I know. How is it that people, due to a coincidental absence of  an
>>>> ocular, input get off thinking themselves special that they require
>>>> some  overly adapted curriculum or equipment for participating in one
>>>> of life's building blocks? I mean, how 'bout a special blinkie
>>>> toilet? This is how a blind man wipes his ass, see look, it's
>>>> especially adapted for the sightless among us, it's made for the ass
>>>> of a blind man, nobody else can use it. How is sex ed different than
>>>> math or science or any thing else?  Most
>>>>> subjects have a visual component.  Does that mean  that we need a
>>>>> special curriculum for every thing?  You learn about sex in the same
>>>>> way
>>>>> you learn about any other social interaction.  Like some other people
>>>>> on
>>>>> the list, I don't understand why this can't be discussed openly on the
>>>>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:07 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I don't see why this discussion should be banned from the list. This
>>>>> is
>>>>> just my opinion, and I don't mean to be rude, but it seems to me that
>>>>> there is a lot of hesitation and outright disgust that's being talked
>>>>> about here. And, let's be honest, how are we ever going to clear up
>>>>> people's misconceptions if we don't talk about them?
>>>>> I think it's probably easier for people to discuss these matters on a
>>>>> list where they can be anonymous. Given the ages of some of the people
>>>>> here, I can see why there would be some embarrassment involved if some
>>>>> of you don't know what certain things are. I think it's probably
>>>>> beneficial at this point to try and help each other out. It's a little
>>>>> late for us to have better sex ed, so why not try to stop all this
>>>>> nervous tittering about terminology? The terms Brandon used weren't
>>>>> offensive. They were the anatomically correct terms. Plus, while I
>>>>> hink
>>>>> the examples he uses are slightly exaggerated, that's not to say they
>>>>> can never happen, and I think if we're going to have a discussion of
>>>>> this nature, we need to be up front about it. We're all adults here,
>>>>> or
>>>>> at least the age of consent.
>>>>> I'm not talking about some of the religious convictions that certain
>>>>> members have expressed. Those are personal, and if that's how you
>>>>> feel,
>>>>> there's nothing wrong with that. But please take a step outside those
>>>>> for a moment and think of how this discussion benefits others who are
>>>>> reading. I'll bet there are some people who are sitting here reading
>>>>> this, and have questions and concerns they would like to express, but
>>>>> feel they can't for whatever reason. I implore you all not to ruin it
>>>>> for those who really could use this information.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/12/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Don't take this the wrong way, but if any of you have anatomy
>>>>>> questions, you can email me offlist at arielle71 at gmail.com Seriously,
>>>>>> I did learn a lot about this stuff in my biology classes.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/12/12, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Ashley,
>>>>>>> I believe you didn't know about any of these things because you
>>>>>>> didn't inform yourself, not because you are blind...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2012, at 4:23 PM, Ashley Bramlett
>>>>>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sophie,
>>>>>>>> I, too, took a sex ed class and it was useful. But, we still lack
>>>>>>>> knowledge usually. I don't think this replaces school education, it
>>>>>>>> supplements it.
>>>>>>>> Having nonvisual access such as a description, diagrams, or model
>>>>>>>> would further aide in  our understanding of such a matter.
>>>>>>>> Guys you may want to skip the next paragraph.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For instance, My brother's wife just had a baby; having not seen or
>>>>>>>> been explained what the birth process is, I don't have a clue what
>>>>> its about.
>>>>>>>> What are contractions? What is ambiotic fluid and what is its role
>>>>>>>> in supporting the fetus? I still don't understand how a baby gets
>>>>>>>> nurishment as its in the mother. I know from the mother's food, but
>>>>>>>> just how I don't understand.
>>>>>>>> They told me Steve, my brother, cut the umbilical cord.
>>>>>>>> But where is that on the baby and mother? Kasey told me she started
>>>>>>>> labour in the evening and went to the hospital; she did not have
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> baby til next afternoon! I asked her how she managed it; wasn't she
>>>>>>>> tired? She informed me she slept a little during the night. She
>>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>>> me the baby's head came out first which was normal. I did not know
>>>>>>>> this. I learned from her as I held my nephew that the head came out
>>>>>>>> first and then the trunk and limbs. I learned that babies cried
>>>>>>>> after they came out of the womb.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> learned that infants needed to get milk very often. I am hoping
>>>>>>>> Kasey will tell me more about her pregnancy and the beginnings of
>>>>>>>> it, AKA, the sex part sometime.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think I'll take that survey that started this.
>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:37 PM
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave, I'm a little confused. I'm going into tenth grade, and I took
>>>>>>>> a sex ed class in seventh grade. I found it to be very informative
>>>>>>>> despite my blindness. I don't understand why we need a special
>>>>>>>> curriculum for sex ed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Date sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:52:03 -0500
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sex Education Curriculum
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have been asked to circulate the following:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear NFB Member,
>>>>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind has been gracious enough to
>>>>>>>> help us with a current project.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are currently seeking your opinion in a survey that will help us
>>>>>>>> write a curriculum for students with low vision and blindness in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> area of sex education.  Currently no curriculum exists for students
>>>>>>>> with low vision and blindness that reflect current education
>>>>>>>> standards.  Young people, educators, and professionals have all
>>>>>>>> indicated that there is a desperate need for such a curriculum.
>>>>>>>> We want your voice to impact our work!
>>>>>>>> Please take the time to fill out the survey at the link found
>>>>>>>> below:
>>>>>>>> <https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey>https://www.su
>>>>>>>> rveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> <https://maverick.hec.ohio-state.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=ht>>>
>>>>> tps://www.surveymonkey.com/s/sexeducationsurvey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for your time and consideration of this project!
>>>>>>>> Tiffany Wild, Mollie Blackburn, Stacy Kelly, and Caitlin Ryan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>> Mika Baugh
>>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>> 200 East Wells Street
>>>>>>>>      at Jernigan Place
>>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>>>>>> P: (410) 659 9314 ext. 2371
>>>>>>>> E: <mailto:mbaugh at nfb.org>mbaugh at nfb.org
>>>>>>>> W: <http://www.nfb.org>www.nfb.org
>>>>>>>>
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