[nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs

Wed Jul 18 04:16:45 UTC 2012

So why did god give people fingers? I'm almost sure it's not bbecause 
of a potential, availability of a say-when! How clunky!At 08:50 PM 
7/17/2012, Joshua Lester wrote:
>I believe we need the stuff, but the say-when is something I don't
>think we need.
>They trained me to use it, but I have poured things into cups without
>problems, and I don't have the machine.
>I wish I had one, but I can't afford it.
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 7/17/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Joshua,
> > While NFB centers do not use all cooking adaptive technology, you make it
> > sound like blind cooks do not need any of it. Not true. Its my 
> understanding
> >
> > from students of nfb centers, they do indeed have braille or raised marks
> > on appliances. They also have some talking gadgets like a timer 
> and probably
> >
> > a thermometer. As for why do centers use adaptive technology 
> versus not, its
> >
> > an individual teaching style. Some believe we need more adaptive gadgets
> > than we really do.
> >
> > Ashley
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joshua Lester
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:32 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
> >
> > That's what's going on.
> > Their independence training was a scam, as well.
> > My friend told me that when she attended a center in her state, (not
> > NFB affiliated,) she was taught to cook, without the diferent adaptive
> > technology.
> > When I was at WSB, the stove had Braille, they had a "Say-When," (a
> > machine that you put on the cup, that beeps when the cup is full,)
> > etc.
> > If blind people can cook without that stuff, why then do they stress
> > the need for such machines?
> > Hmmm!
> > Thanks, Joshua
> >
> > On 7/17/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I suspect that certain students or staff at WSB are ACB members and
> >> try to recruit, but that the WSB itself doesn't have a particular
> >> organizational position.
> >> Arielle
> >>
> >> On 7/17/12, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> Thank you Dave for pointing out that the Little Rock chapter of the NFB
> >>> meets at World Services for the Blind. Josh, if according to you they
> >>> try
> >>> so
> >>> hard to recruit students to the ACB, then why do they allow the NFB meet
> >>> in
> >>> their building and the local chapter of the ACB does not meet there?
> >>>
> >>> Anmol
> >>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
> >>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
> >>> breeze
> >>> among flowers.
> >>> Hellen Keller
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 12:25 PM
> >>>> I'm going to attend LCB, after
> >>>> graduating from college.
> >>>> Blessings, Joshua
> >>>>
> >>>> On 7/17/12, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> > Hello Joshua and everyone,
> >>>> >
> >>>> >     Let' sleet her decide if she
> >>>> would benefit from a complete training
> >>>> > program or not. All three NFB centers have
> >>>> employment-related assistance and
> >>>> >
> >>>> > offer training in several specific areas. Have you been
> >>>> to an NFB center
> >>>> > yourself?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Peter Donahue
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> > From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> >>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
> >>>> list"
> >>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:01 AM
> >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
> >>>> Training Programs
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > She has the skills to take care of herself.
> >>>> > She needs job training.
> >>>> > Is there an NFB sponsored ATI program?
> >>>> > Thanks, Joshua
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On 7/17/12, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >> Good morning everyone,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>     LWSB, formerly the Arkansas
> >>>> Enterprises for the Blind has had a long
> >>>> >> and
> >>>> >> checkered history concerning its treatment of the
> >>>> blind persons it claims
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> to
> >>>> >> serve. The conditions you describe have existed
> >>>> there for many years. At
> >>>> >> one
> >>>> >> time it was accredited by the National
> >>>> Accreditation Council for Agencies
> >>>> >> Serving the Blind and Physically Handicapped (NAC.)
> >>>> Its former blind
> >>>> >> director was a key figure in NAC. NAC had a
> >>>> reputation for condoning
> >>>> >> practices that often led to blind persons being
> >>>> abused, mistreated, and
> >>>> >> in
> >>>> >> the case of sheltered workshops being paid less
> >>>> than the Federal minimum
> >>>> >> wage. NAC'S so-called "Standards of Accreditation"
> >>>> failed to address
> >>>> >> these
> >>>> >> issues. For example the standards called for the
> >>>> agency's grounds to be
> >>>> >> pleasant but did not require the sheltered
> >>>> workshops they accredited to
> >>>> >> pay
> >>>> >> all employees including the blind employees the
> >>>> Federal minimum wage.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>     In 1985 NAC held its annual
> >>>> meeting in Littlerock and the NFB was
> >>>> >> there
> >>>> >> to "Greet" them. Both the then Arkansas Enterprises
> >>>> for the Blind and the
> >>>> >> Arkansas School for the Blind were picketed by the
> >>>> NFB. While at AEB a
> >>>> >> number of AEB clients told us that there were
> >>>> problems and that it needed
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> to
> >>>> >> be investigated. I know because Mary and I were on
> >>>> that picket line.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>     Judging from what I've read
> >>>> NAC for practical purposes is gone but
> >>>> >> vestiges of its evil doings remain at agencies such
> >>>> as LWSB. Amber here's
> >>>> >> hoping you will eventually attend an NFB training
> >>>> center. These centers
> >>>> >> are
> >>>> >> a big cut above anything else out there. All the
> >>>> best.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Peter Donahue
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
> >>>> list"
> >>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:33 PM
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
> >>>> Training Programs
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Amber,
> >>>> >> Well, my goodness. I'd have to say first that I
> >>>> commend your efforts in
> >>>> >> sticking to the facts or trying to. I think you did
> >>>> a good job for
> >>>> >> someone
> >>>> >> who did not have a good experience.  I've also
> >>>> heard bad rumors about it.
> >>>> >> Second, with all this publicity, I'm real surprised
> >>>> that
> >>>> >> LWSB continues to stay open and attracting the
> >>>> clients it does.
> >>>> >> Which program were you in? Independent living? or a
> >>>> job program?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> About rules, personally signing in and out doesn't
> >>>> bother me. You are in
> >>>> >> a
> >>>> >> training setting and with this litigious society,
> >>>> they need to account
> >>>> >> for
> >>>> >> everyone. What if there was an emergency? They need
> >>>> to know where
> >>>> >> everyone
> >>>> >> is. People go missing everyday and are never found.
> >>>> Youwouldn't want your
> >>>> >> parents or friends or family calling and them
> >>>> saying, oh, we do not know
> >>>> >> where your son is;  he may be on campus or
> >>>> not.
> >>>> >> The other thing about the no microwave or fridge
> >>>> would bother me. As a
> >>>> >> college student, I enjoyed having my own fridge in
> >>>> my room.
> >>>> >> It gave me some freedom to have a cold drink or
> >>>> cold snack when I wanted
> >>>> >> to.
> >>>> >> Since the cafeteria closed early at 7:30, this was
> >>>> definitely nice.
> >>>> >> That seems early to me given the fact that I eat
> >>>> late at home; between 7
> >>>> >> and
> >>>> >> 8pm.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Anyway, Amber you are making a good personal
> >>>> decision to leave. So I wish
> >>>> >> you luck in your next decision to find decent
> >>>> training or whatever you
> >>>> >> need.
> >>>> >> I don't remember your intro to us, so I'm not sure
> >>>> if you are a current
> >>>> >> college student or recent grad.
> >>>> >> If you haven't finished school, I hope you can as
> >>>> it opens up more doors
> >>>> >> to
> >>>> >> you.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Ashley
> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> From: Herrin, Amber R.
> >>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:36 PM
> >>>> >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
> >>>> list'
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
> >>>> Training Programs
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Ian,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I am currently at WSB, but am planning to leave on
> >>>> Friday.  Here is what
> >>>> >> I
> >>>> >> have experienced.  I will do my best to give
> >>>> only facts and not color
> >>>> >> those
> >>>> >> facts with my opinion, though before I begin, I
> >>>> will clearly state that
> >>>> >> if
> >>>> >> you are asking for an opinion as to whether or not
> >>>> one should attend this
> >>>> >> program in order to obtain a job, I would have to
> >>>> say no.  But I am not
> >>>> >> you
> >>>> >> or anyone else for that matter, and what I have
> >>>> experienced here has
> >>>> >> colored
> >>>> >> my opinion, and may not be very reliable.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> The facts:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> *Several students (including myself) have had
> >>>> valuables go missing.
> >>>> >> *The food does not seem to meet health and safety
> >>>> codes. (just one
> >>>> >> example-there are many-one evening we had chicken
> >>>> wings, and though the
> >>>> >> outside was hot, the inside was not.  I would
> >>>> not mention this, except
> >>>> >> this
> >>>> >> is not an isolated incident.)
> >>>> >> *The showers have light bulbs  (not protected
> >>>> by any kind of panels)
> >>>> >> inside
> >>>> >> the actual stall where water could be accidentally
> >>>> splashed.  I brought
> >>>> >> this
> >>>> >> up as a concern, so they put a cover over mine, but
> >>>> mine is not the only
> >>>> >> one
> >>>> >> that this is the case with (as confirmed by other
> >>>> clients.)
> >>>> >> *Despite several complaints from many clients, the
> >>>> building is full of
> >>>> >> bugs.
> >>>> >> They say that someone comes regularly to spray, but
> >>>> bugs were found even
> >>>> >> in
> >>>> >> my room, and I am a very clean person. (read as, do
> >>>> not leave food in
> >>>> >> uncealed containers or dishes with food still on
> >>>> them etc.)
> >>>> >> *Clients are unable to have microwaves or
> >>>> refrigerators in their rooms,
> >>>> >> and
> >>>> >> so are reduced to coolers full of ice or nothing at
> >>>> all except cafeteria
> >>>> >> food.  There are microwaves that physically
> >>>> exist, but they do not work
> >>>> >> very
> >>>> >> well.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Now I can say that there are other things I could
> >>>> talk about, but they
> >>>> >> probably come down to personal preference and
> >>>> really are just normal
> >>>> >> inconveniences that one would encounter on any
> >>>> college dorm, except they
> >>>> >> are
> >>>> >> exaggerated because of the fact that everything is
> >>>> scaled down hugely.
> >>>> >> So
> >>>> >> while, for example, on most college campuses, you
> >>>> could go to a dining
> >>>> >> hall
> >>>> >> at almost any time of day, if you do not come to
> >>>> meals at the times
> >>>> >> specified, you don't eat meals.  I am sure
> >>>> that anyone can argue that
> >>>> >> when
> >>>> >> in school, you have to work with a particular
> >>>> schedule, and while this is
> >>>> >> true to some extent, I do take issue with the fact
> >>>> that we can't even
> >>>> >> have
> >>>> >> microwaves or refrigerators in our rooms so that we
> >>>> may maintain the
> >>>> >> schedules that are most comfortable for us.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> The last thing I mention is a large thing and may
> >>>> not affect anyone, but
> >>>> >> I
> >>>> >> feel I must mention it, because if I did not, I
> >>>> would be doing a great
> >>>> >> disservice to anyone considering attending this
> >>>> center.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Two weeks ago this Friday, I was groped by an
> >>>> authority figure.  He was
> >>>> >> picking me up from the airport, and I was
> >>>> approaching the baggage claim
> >>>> >> with
> >>>> >> a female passenger from my flight.  This
> >>>> authority figure approached me
> >>>> >> without announcing himself, put his arm around my
> >>>> waist, hugged me to
> >>>> >> himself in a tight, possessive manner, and told the
> >>>> female passenger who
> >>>> >> had
> >>>> >> offered to walk with me that he "had it under
> >>>> control from there, but
> >>>> >> thanks."  After which, he looked down at me
> >>>> and said, "How was your trip,
> >>>> >> Punkin?  We've missed you!  We're so glad
> >>>> you're home!"
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> This man did not announce himself to me in the
> >>>> beginning, should have
> >>>> >> been
> >>>> >> treating me professionally, is old enough to be my
> >>>> father, and possibly
> >>>> >> even
> >>>> >> my grandfather, has only interacted with me
> >>>> minimally since my arrival at
> >>>> >> the center, I'm 24, etc etc etc.  Basically,
> >>>> it was wayyy wayyyy beyond
> >>>> >> what
> >>>> >> one would call professional or even acceptable
> >>>> regardless of setting.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I cannot tell you whether to attend this center;
> >>>> only you can decide that
> >>>> >> for yourself.  What I can tell you is that the
> >>>> man who did this to me was
> >>>> >> reported by me, and, I have discovered, has been
> >>>> reported multiple times
> >>>> >> by
> >>>> >> other females that he has violated in one way or
> >>>> another, and still holds
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> a
> >>>> >> job here.  I believe there is something big
> >>>> going on here that I am
> >>>> >> unaware
> >>>> >> of, and am only glad to be leaving.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I have met some truly wonderful people here, but
> >>>> regardless of that, I
> >>>> >> could
> >>>> >> never suggest that someone attend here.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I hope this helps you make your decision.  If
> >>>> it does not, please know
> >>>> >> that
> >>>> >> I wish you all the best.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Amber R. Herrin
> >>>> >> Mobile: (513) 593-5855
> >>>> >> E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
> >>>> >> "It doesn't matter what you've heard
> >>>> >> Impossible is not a word
> >>>> >> It's just a reason
> >>>> >> For someone not to try
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Everybody's scared to death
> >>>> >> When they decide to take that step
> >>>> >> Out on the water
> >>>> >> It'll be alright
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Life is so much more
> >>>> >> Than what your eyes are seeing
> >>>> >> You will find your way
> >>>> >> If you keep believing"
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>> On
> >>>> >> Behalf
> >>>> >> Of Anmol Bhatia
> >>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:49 PM
> >>>> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> >>>> list
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
> >>>> Training Programs
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Ian,
> >>>> >> I have never attended LWSB as a trainny, but I used
> >>>> to go there on to
> >>>> >> stay
> >>>> >> during weekends in the 1990s. The only thing I can
> >>>> say is that LWSB has
> >>>> >> made
> >>>> >> alot of changes last couple of years and I would
> >>>> think about visiting
> >>>> >> there
> >>>> >> before deciding one way or the other. They do have
> >>>> an option to live off
> >>>> >> campus and as far as I am aware that there is not a
> >>>> sign in and sign out
> >>>> >> policy  after class time. Now they may have
> >>>> sign in and sign out policy
> >>>> >> during class time to keep count of attendance,
> >>>> however, this is know
> >>>> >> different signing in and signing out of work which
> >>>> everyone blind and
> >>>> >> sighted has to do.
> >>>> >> The IRS program is one of the best programs there
> >>>> and frankly since you
> >>>> >> have
> >>>> >> to be excepted for a job at one of the IRS offices,
> >>>> it is a guarantied
> >>>> >> employment after completing the program and they
> >>>> start at 45,000 or more.
> >>>> >> The food was not the greatest, however, as I said
> >>>> above LWSB now known as
> >>>> >> World Services for the Blind has made alot of
> >>>> changes under the new
> >>>> >> director
> >>>> >> and frankly I can not tell you how the food is now.
> >>>> As I said earlier, I
> >>>> >> would make a visit there before making any kind of
> >>>> decision.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Anmol
> >>>> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
> >>>> make me sad. Perhaps
> >>>> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it
> >>>> is vague, like a
> >>>> >> breeze
> >>>> >> among flowers.
> >>>> >> Hellen Keller
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>> From: Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
> >>>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
> >>>> Training Programs
> >>>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students"
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> >>> Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 4:14 PM
> >>>> >>> Hi
> >>>> >>> I'm wondering if any of you have attended
> >>>> LWSB for one of their
> >>>> >>> employment training programs, or LWSB in
> >>>> general?
> >>>> >>> I'm looking into one of the IRS programs, and
> >>>> was reading the manual,
> >>>> >>> and it seems like a very strict and structured
> >>>> environment, even
> >>>> >>> though most of the participants are adults. For
> >>>> instance, you have to
> >>>> >>> sign out if you want to go somewhere and things
> >>>> like that. Have any of
> >>>> >>> you attended LWSB? I'd love to hear what your
> >>>> experiences were. Since
> >>>> >>> I've been to college, it sounds like it's
> >>>> not as independent of an
> >>>> >>> environment.
> >>>> >>> Ian
> >>>> >>>
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