[nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs

Wed Jul 18 13:46:04 UTC 2012

I have two of them but I don't use them.
Rania,

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From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joshua Lester
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:51 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs

I believe we need the stuff, but the say-when is something I don't
think we need.
They trained me to use it, but I have poured things into cups without
problems, and I don't have the machine.
I wish I had one, but I can't afford it.
Blessings, Joshua

On 7/17/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> While NFB centers do not use all cooking adaptive technology, you make it
> sound like blind cooks do not need any of it. Not true. Its my
understanding
>
> from students of nfb centers, they do indeed have braille or raised marks
> on appliances. They also have some talking gadgets like a timer and
probably
>
> a thermometer. As for why do centers use adaptive technology versus not,
its
>
> an individual teaching style. Some believe we need more adaptive gadgets
> than we really do.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
>
> That's what's going on.
> Their independence training was a scam, as well.
> My friend told me that when she attended a center in her state, (not
> NFB affiliated,) she was taught to cook, without the diferent adaptive
> technology.
> When I was at WSB, the stove had Braille, they had a "Say-When," (a
> machine that you put on the cup, that beeps when the cup is full,)
> etc.
> If blind people can cook without that stuff, why then do they stress
> the need for such machines?
> Hmmm!
> Thanks, Joshua
>
> On 7/17/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I suspect that certain students or staff at WSB are ACB members and
>> try to recruit, but that the WSB itself doesn't have a particular
>> organizational position.
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 7/17/12, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Thank you Dave for pointing out that the Little Rock chapter of the NFB
>>> meets at World Services for the Blind. Josh, if according to you they
>>> try
>>> so
>>> hard to recruit students to the ACB, then why do they allow the NFB meet
>>> in
>>> their building and the local chapter of the ACB does not meet there?
>>>
>>> Anmol
>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
>>> breeze
>>> among flowers.
>>> Hellen Keller
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 12:25 PM
>>>> I'm going to attend LCB, after
>>>> graduating from college.
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 7/17/12, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Hello Joshua and everyone,
>>>> >
>>>> >     Let' sleet her decide if she
>>>> would benefit from a complete training
>>>> > program or not. All three NFB centers have
>>>> employment-related assistance and
>>>> >
>>>> > offer training in several specific areas. Have you been
>>>> to an NFB center
>>>> > yourself?
>>>> >
>>>> > Peter Donahue
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>> list"
>>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:01 AM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>> Training Programs
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > She has the skills to take care of herself.
>>>> > She needs job training.
>>>> > Is there an NFB sponsored ATI program?
>>>> > Thanks, Joshua
>>>> >
>>>> > On 7/17/12, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> Good morning everyone,
>>>> >>
>>>> >>     LWSB, formerly the Arkansas
>>>> Enterprises for the Blind has had a long
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> checkered history concerning its treatment of the
>>>> blind persons it claims
>>>> >>
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> serve. The conditions you describe have existed
>>>> there for many years. At
>>>> >> one
>>>> >> time it was accredited by the National
>>>> Accreditation Council for Agencies
>>>> >> Serving the Blind and Physically Handicapped (NAC.)
>>>> Its former blind
>>>> >> director was a key figure in NAC. NAC had a
>>>> reputation for condoning
>>>> >> practices that often led to blind persons being
>>>> abused, mistreated, and
>>>> >> in
>>>> >> the case of sheltered workshops being paid less
>>>> than the Federal minimum
>>>> >> wage. NAC'S so-called "Standards of Accreditation"
>>>> failed to address
>>>> >> these
>>>> >> issues. For example the standards called for the
>>>> agency's grounds to be
>>>> >> pleasant but did not require the sheltered
>>>> workshops they accredited to
>>>> >> pay
>>>> >> all employees including the blind employees the
>>>> Federal minimum wage.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>     In 1985 NAC held its annual
>>>> meeting in Littlerock and the NFB was
>>>> >> there
>>>> >> to "Greet" them. Both the then Arkansas Enterprises
>>>> for the Blind and the
>>>> >> Arkansas School for the Blind were picketed by the
>>>> NFB. While at AEB a
>>>> >> number of AEB clients told us that there were
>>>> problems and that it needed
>>>> >>
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> be investigated. I know because Mary and I were on
>>>> that picket line.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>     Judging from what I've read
>>>> NAC for practical purposes is gone but
>>>> >> vestiges of its evil doings remain at agencies such
>>>> as LWSB. Amber here's
>>>> >> hoping you will eventually attend an NFB training
>>>> center. These centers
>>>> >> are
>>>> >> a big cut above anything else out there. All the
>>>> best.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Peter Donahue
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>> list"
>>>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:33 PM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>> Training Programs
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Amber,
>>>> >> Well, my goodness. I'd have to say first that I
>>>> commend your efforts in
>>>> >> sticking to the facts or trying to. I think you did
>>>> a good job for
>>>> >> someone
>>>> >> who did not have a good experience.  I've also
>>>> heard bad rumors about it.
>>>> >> Second, with all this publicity, I'm real surprised
>>>> that
>>>> >> LWSB continues to stay open and attracting the
>>>> clients it does.
>>>> >> Which program were you in? Independent living? or a
>>>> job program?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> About rules, personally signing in and out doesn't
>>>> bother me. You are in
>>>> >> a
>>>> >> training setting and with this litigious society,
>>>> they need to account
>>>> >> for
>>>> >> everyone. What if there was an emergency? They need
>>>> to know where
>>>> >> everyone
>>>> >> is. People go missing everyday and are never found.
>>>> Youwouldn't want your
>>>> >> parents or friends or family calling and them
>>>> saying, oh, we do not know
>>>> >> where your son is;  he may be on campus or
>>>> not.
>>>> >> The other thing about the no microwave or fridge
>>>> would bother me. As a
>>>> >> college student, I enjoyed having my own fridge in
>>>> my room.
>>>> >> It gave me some freedom to have a cold drink or
>>>> cold snack when I wanted
>>>> >> to.
>>>> >> Since the cafeteria closed early at 7:30, this was
>>>> definitely nice.
>>>> >> That seems early to me given the fact that I eat
>>>> late at home; between 7
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> 8pm.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Anyway, Amber you are making a good personal
>>>> decision to leave. So I wish
>>>> >> you luck in your next decision to find decent
>>>> training or whatever you
>>>> >> need.
>>>> >> I don't remember your intro to us, so I'm not sure
>>>> if you are a current
>>>> >> college student or recent grad.
>>>> >> If you haven't finished school, I hope you can as
>>>> it opens up more doors
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> you.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ashley
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: Herrin, Amber R.
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:36 PM
>>>> >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>> list'
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>> Training Programs
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ian,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I am currently at WSB, but am planning to leave on
>>>> Friday.  Here is what
>>>> >> I
>>>> >> have experienced.  I will do my best to give
>>>> only facts and not color
>>>> >> those
>>>> >> facts with my opinion, though before I begin, I
>>>> will clearly state that
>>>> >> if
>>>> >> you are asking for an opinion as to whether or not
>>>> one should attend this
>>>> >> program in order to obtain a job, I would have to
>>>> say no.  But I am not
>>>> >> you
>>>> >> or anyone else for that matter, and what I have
>>>> experienced here has
>>>> >> colored
>>>> >> my opinion, and may not be very reliable.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The facts:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *Several students (including myself) have had
>>>> valuables go missing.
>>>> >> *The food does not seem to meet health and safety
>>>> codes. (just one
>>>> >> example-there are many-one evening we had chicken
>>>> wings, and though the
>>>> >> outside was hot, the inside was not.  I would
>>>> not mention this, except
>>>> >> this
>>>> >> is not an isolated incident.)
>>>> >> *The showers have light bulbs  (not protected
>>>> by any kind of panels)
>>>> >> inside
>>>> >> the actual stall where water could be accidentally
>>>> splashed.  I brought
>>>> >> this
>>>> >> up as a concern, so they put a cover over mine, but
>>>> mine is not the only
>>>> >> one
>>>> >> that this is the case with (as confirmed by other
>>>> clients.)
>>>> >> *Despite several complaints from many clients, the
>>>> building is full of
>>>> >> bugs.
>>>> >> They say that someone comes regularly to spray, but
>>>> bugs were found even
>>>> >> in
>>>> >> my room, and I am a very clean person. (read as, do
>>>> not leave food in
>>>> >> uncealed containers or dishes with food still on
>>>> them etc.)
>>>> >> *Clients are unable to have microwaves or
>>>> refrigerators in their rooms,
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> so are reduced to coolers full of ice or nothing at
>>>> all except cafeteria
>>>> >> food.  There are microwaves that physically
>>>> exist, but they do not work
>>>> >> very
>>>> >> well.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Now I can say that there are other things I could
>>>> talk about, but they
>>>> >> probably come down to personal preference and
>>>> really are just normal
>>>> >> inconveniences that one would encounter on any
>>>> college dorm, except they
>>>> >> are
>>>> >> exaggerated because of the fact that everything is
>>>> scaled down hugely.
>>>> >> So
>>>> >> while, for example, on most college campuses, you
>>>> could go to a dining
>>>> >> hall
>>>> >> at almost any time of day, if you do not come to
>>>> meals at the times
>>>> >> specified, you don't eat meals.  I am sure
>>>> that anyone can argue that
>>>> >> when
>>>> >> in school, you have to work with a particular
>>>> schedule, and while this is
>>>> >> true to some extent, I do take issue with the fact
>>>> that we can't even
>>>> >> have
>>>> >> microwaves or refrigerators in our rooms so that we
>>>> may maintain the
>>>> >> schedules that are most comfortable for us.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The last thing I mention is a large thing and may
>>>> not affect anyone, but
>>>> >> I
>>>> >> feel I must mention it, because if I did not, I
>>>> would be doing a great
>>>> >> disservice to anyone considering attending this
>>>> center.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Two weeks ago this Friday, I was groped by an
>>>> authority figure.  He was
>>>> >> picking me up from the airport, and I was
>>>> approaching the baggage claim
>>>> >> with
>>>> >> a female passenger from my flight.  This
>>>> authority figure approached me
>>>> >> without announcing himself, put his arm around my
>>>> waist, hugged me to
>>>> >> himself in a tight, possessive manner, and told the
>>>> female passenger who
>>>> >> had
>>>> >> offered to walk with me that he "had it under
>>>> control from there, but
>>>> >> thanks."  After which, he looked down at me
>>>> and said, "How was your trip,
>>>> >> Punkin?  We've missed you!  We're so glad
>>>> you're home!"
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This man did not announce himself to me in the
>>>> beginning, should have
>>>> >> been
>>>> >> treating me professionally, is old enough to be my
>>>> father, and possibly
>>>> >> even
>>>> >> my grandfather, has only interacted with me
>>>> minimally since my arrival at
>>>> >> the center, I'm 24, etc etc etc.  Basically,
>>>> it was wayyy wayyyy beyond
>>>> >> what
>>>> >> one would call professional or even acceptable
>>>> regardless of setting.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I cannot tell you whether to attend this center;
>>>> only you can decide that
>>>> >> for yourself.  What I can tell you is that the
>>>> man who did this to me was
>>>> >> reported by me, and, I have discovered, has been
>>>> reported multiple times
>>>> >> by
>>>> >> other females that he has violated in one way or
>>>> another, and still holds
>>>> >>
>>>> >> a
>>>> >> job here.  I believe there is something big
>>>> going on here that I am
>>>> >> unaware
>>>> >> of, and am only glad to be leaving.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I have met some truly wonderful people here, but
>>>> regardless of that, I
>>>> >> could
>>>> >> never suggest that someone attend here.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I hope this helps you make your decision.  If
>>>> it does not, please know
>>>> >> that
>>>> >> I wish you all the best.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Amber R. Herrin
>>>> >> Mobile: (513) 593-5855
>>>> >> E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
>>>> >> "It doesn't matter what you've heard
>>>> >> Impossible is not a word
>>>> >> It's just a reason
>>>> >> For someone not to try
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Everybody's scared to death
>>>> >> When they decide to take that step
>>>> >> Out on the water
>>>> >> It'll be alright
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Life is so much more
>>>> >> Than what your eyes are seeing
>>>> >> You will find your way
>>>> >> If you keep believing"
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>> >> Behalf
>>>> >> Of Anmol Bhatia
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:49 PM
>>>> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>> list
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>> Training Programs
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ian,
>>>> >> I have never attended LWSB as a trainny, but I used
>>>> to go there on to
>>>> >> stay
>>>> >> during weekends in the 1990s. The only thing I can
>>>> say is that LWSB has
>>>> >> made
>>>> >> alot of changes last couple of years and I would
>>>> think about visiting
>>>> >> there
>>>> >> before deciding one way or the other. They do have
>>>> an option to live off
>>>> >> campus and as far as I am aware that there is not a
>>>> sign in and sign out
>>>> >> policy  after class time. Now they may have
>>>> sign in and sign out policy
>>>> >> during class time to keep count of attendance,
>>>> however, this is know
>>>> >> different signing in and signing out of work which
>>>> everyone blind and
>>>> >> sighted has to do.
>>>> >> The IRS program is one of the best programs there
>>>> and frankly since you
>>>> >> have
>>>> >> to be excepted for a job at one of the IRS offices,
>>>> it is a guarantied
>>>> >> employment after completing the program and they
>>>> start at 45,000 or more.
>>>> >> The food was not the greatest, however, as I said
>>>> above LWSB now known as
>>>> >> World Services for the Blind has made alot of
>>>> changes under the new
>>>> >> director
>>>> >> and frankly I can not tell you how the food is now.
>>>> As I said earlier, I
>>>> >> would make a visit there before making any kind of
>>>> decision.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Anmol
>>>> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
>>>> make me sad. Perhaps
>>>> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it
>>>> is vague, like a
>>>> >> breeze
>>>> >> among flowers.
>>>> >> Hellen Keller
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> From: Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
>>>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
>>>> Training Programs
>>>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>> Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 4:14 PM
>>>> >>> Hi
>>>> >>> I'm wondering if any of you have attended
>>>> LWSB for one of their
>>>> >>> employment training programs, or LWSB in
>>>> general?
>>>> >>> I'm looking into one of the IRS programs, and
>>>> was reading the manual,
>>>> >>> and it seems like a very strict and structured
>>>> environment, even
>>>> >>> though most of the participants are adults. For
>>>> instance, you have to
>>>> >>> sign out if you want to go somewhere and things
>>>> like that. Have any of
>>>> >>> you attended LWSB? I'd love to hear what your
>>>> experiences were. Since
>>>> >>> I've been to college, it sounds like it's
>>>> not as independent of an
>>>> >>> environment.
>>>> >>> Ian
>>>> >>>
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