[nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs

Wed Jul 18 04:27:01 UTC 2012

So, if you dig the NFB way, why not simply go to an NFB center for 
training? I mean, why would we want a same philosophy to be 
everywhere? Don't we claim to embrace diversity?
CarAt 09:08 PM 7/17/2012, you wrote:
>I agree.
>These senters should also have the NFB philosophy.
>Blessings, Joshua
>
>On 7/17/12, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > As I see it, the job training at this center is probably its only
> > strong point. You have to remember, though, that most people are going
> > to live on campus unless they have family or friends in Arkansas that
> > they can stay with, so they can commute every day. If not, what are
> > they going to do, find an apartment, only to vacate it in 6 months? I
> > don't think so, it doesn't work that way. flexible leases aren't that
> > easy to come by. So honestly, its a shame that the center is as badly
> > run as it is. I considered going there myself for the computer
> > networking certification, but changed my mind after hearing stories
> > very similar to the opinions that have been expressed here. As I said,
> > it's definitely a shame that this is the only center that has such a
> > good track record with placing the blind in profitable employment.
> > Other centers should exist for this purpose as well. For one place to
> > carry all the load is a little unfair. Considering how high the
> > unemployment rate for the blind is, imagine how much farther along we
> > would get if even several states had a center of this nature.
> >
> > On 7/17/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Anmol,
> >> excellent post. WSB does have a good IRS program. Also, the entrance
> >> requirements were on the website and I hope they still are.
> >> You have to have good technology skills as well as decent educational
> >> skills
> >> to get in. Since you will work for the government, they require you to be
> >> a
> >> US citizen, able to  pass a drug test, and be willing to relocate. They
> >> also
> >> find you a job after your training. I was at a job fair and know who I
> >> ran
> >> into?
> >> An IRS rep! He said if I wanted to get a job into that agency, going to
> >> WSB
> >> was a good idea. He said they get students from there all the time and
> >> that
> >> the next class containing 30 students was starting soon.
> >>
> >> If you're thinking of going, you have to weigh the pros and cons. Also, I
> >> can definitely see why rehab would send clients there; they gaurantee a
> >> job
> >> afterward. As Anmol said, this is appealing because more successful case
> >> closures mean they keep the funding they have.
> >> Ashley
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Anmol Bhatia
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:10 PM
> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
> >>
> >> Know Arielle I suspect WSB as a whole does not belong to any
> >> organization.
> >> They try to remain neutral and WSB actually had a table at the exhabit
> >> hall
> >> at the NFB convention. I am not a big fan of WSB to the extend that some
> >> on
> >> this list might think I am, however, I do not like reading some of the
> >> comments I read on here from people who do not necessarly know all the
> >> facts.
> >> The things Amber has mentioned are valid and credible because she is
> >> there
> >> now. If I were considering attending WSB, I would seriously take into
> >> consideration the things she mentioned. However, WSB does have an
> >> employment
> >> track and it is easier for Rehab Counselors to send clients to a training
> >> center which can lead to employment like the WSB rather than an
> >> independent
> >> living training center like the NFB training centers that do a good job
> >> in
> >> providing independent living training, but do not lead to employment. I
> >> personally understand the value of how independent living training is
> >> important in being successful in employment and most rehab counselors do
> >> as
> >> well, but we have to justify how we are spending the tax payer money to
> >> largely ignorent sighted society who do not necessarly see the value of
> >> independent training for a blind person.
> >> To answer the question, the IRS is a promising job that pays the starting
> >> salarry of $45,000 I think with growth opportunity. So you have to decide
> >> if
> >> you want to put up with some of the things mentioned: bad food, unclean
> >> building, ect for 6 to 9 months and have a good job after that.
> >> Anmol
> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
> >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
> >> breeze
> >> among flowers.
> >> Hellen Keller
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment Training Programs
> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 6:22 PM
> >>> I suspect that certain students or
> >>> staff at WSB are ACB members and
> >>> try to recruit, but that the WSB itself doesn't have a
> >>> particular
> >>> organizational position.
> >>> Arielle
> >>>
> >>> On 7/17/12, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Thank you Dave for pointing out that the Little Rock
> >>> chapter of the NFB
> >>> > meets at World Services for the Blind. Josh, if
> >>> according to you they try so
> >>> > hard to recruit students to the ACB, then why do they
> >>> allow the NFB meet in
> >>> > their building and the local chapter of the ACB does
> >>> not meet there?
> >>> >
> >>> > Anmol
> >>> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
> >>> make me sad. Perhaps
> >>> > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
> >>> vague, like a breeze
> >>> > among flowers.
> >>> > Hellen Keller
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> >>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock Employment
> >>> Training Programs
> >>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
> >>> list"
> >>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> >> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 12:25 PM
> >>> >> I'm going to attend LCB, after
> >>> >> graduating from college.
> >>> >> Blessings, Joshua
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 7/17/12, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> > Hello Joshua and everyone,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >     Let' sleet her decide if she
> >>> >> would benefit from a complete training
> >>> >> > program or not. All three NFB centers have
> >>> >> employment-related assistance and
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > offer training in several specific areas. Have
> >>> you been
> >>> >> to an NFB center
> >>> >> > yourself?
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Peter Donahue
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >> > From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> >>> >> > To: "National Association of Blind Students
> >>> mailing
> >>> >> list"
> >>> >> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:01 AM
> >>> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock
> >>> Employment
> >>> >> Training Programs
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > She has the skills to take care of herself.
> >>> >> > She needs job training.
> >>> >> > Is there an NFB sponsored ATI program?
> >>> >> > Thanks, Joshua
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On 7/17/12, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >> Good morning everyone,
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>     LWSB, formerly the Arkansas
> >>> >> Enterprises for the Blind has had a long
> >>> >> >> and
> >>> >> >> checkered history concerning its treatment
> >>> of the
> >>> >> blind persons it claims
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> to
> >>> >> >> serve. The conditions you describe have
> >>> existed
> >>> >> there for many years. At
> >>> >> >> one
> >>> >> >> time it was accredited by the National
> >>> >> Accreditation Council for Agencies
> >>> >> >> Serving the Blind and Physically
> >>> Handicapped (NAC.)
> >>> >> Its former blind
> >>> >> >> director was a key figure in NAC. NAC had
> >>> a
> >>> >> reputation for condoning
> >>> >> >> practices that often led to blind persons
> >>> being
> >>> >> abused, mistreated, and
> >>> >> >> in
> >>> >> >> the case of sheltered workshops being paid
> >>> less
> >>> >> than the Federal minimum
> >>> >> >> wage. NAC'S so-called "Standards of
> >>> Accreditation"
> >>> >> failed to address
> >>> >> >> these
> >>> >> >> issues. For example the standards called
> >>> for the
> >>> >> agency's grounds to be
> >>> >> >> pleasant but did not require the
> >>> sheltered
> >>> >> workshops they accredited to
> >>> >> >> pay
> >>> >> >> all employees including the blind
> >>> employees the
> >>> >> Federal minimum wage.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>     In 1985 NAC held its annual
> >>> >> meeting in Littlerock and the NFB was
> >>> >> >> there
> >>> >> >> to "Greet" them. Both the then Arkansas
> >>> Enterprises
> >>> >> for the Blind and the
> >>> >> >> Arkansas School for the Blind were
> >>> picketed by the
> >>> >> NFB. While at AEB a
> >>> >> >> number of AEB clients told us that there
> >>> were
> >>> >> problems and that it needed
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> to
> >>> >> >> be investigated. I know because Mary and I
> >>> were on
> >>> >> that picket line.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>     Judging from what I've read
> >>> >> NAC for practical purposes is gone but
> >>> >> >> vestiges of its evil doings remain at
> >>> agencies such
> >>> >> as LWSB. Amber here's
> >>> >> >> hoping you will eventually attend an NFB
> >>> training
> >>> >> center. These centers
> >>> >> >> are
> >>> >> >> a big cut above anything else out there.
> >>> All the
> >>> >> best.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Peter Donahue
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >>> >> >> To: "National Association of Blind
> >>> Students mailing
> >>> >> list"
> >>> >> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:33 PM
> >>> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock
> >>> Employment
> >>> >> Training Programs
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Amber,
> >>> >> >> Well, my goodness. I'd have to say first
> >>> that I
> >>> >> commend your efforts in
> >>> >> >> sticking to the facts or trying to. I
> >>> think you did
> >>> >> a good job for
> >>> >> >> someone
> >>> >> >> who did not have a good experience.  I've
> >>> also
> >>> >> heard bad rumors about it.
> >>> >> >> Second, with all this publicity, I'm real
> >>> surprised
> >>> >> that
> >>> >> >> LWSB continues to stay open and attracting
> >>> the
> >>> >> clients it does.
> >>> >> >> Which program were you in? Independent
> >>> living? or a
> >>> >> job program?
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> About rules, personally signing in and out
> >>> doesn't
> >>> >> bother me. You are in
> >>> >> >> a
> >>> >> >> training setting and with this litigious
> >>> society,
> >>> >> they need to account
> >>> >> >> for
> >>> >> >> everyone. What if there was an emergency?
> >>> They need
> >>> >> to know where
> >>> >> >> everyone
> >>> >> >> is. People go missing everyday and are
> >>> never found.
> >>> >> Youwouldn't want your
> >>> >> >> parents or friends or family calling and
> >>> them
> >>> >> saying, oh, we do not know
> >>> >> >> where your son is;  he may be on campus
> >>> or
> >>> >> not.
> >>> >> >> The other thing about the no microwave or
> >>> fridge
> >>> >> would bother me. As a
> >>> >> >> college student, I enjoyed having my own
> >>> fridge in
> >>> >> my room.
> >>> >> >> It gave me some freedom to have a cold
> >>> drink or
> >>> >> cold snack when I wanted
> >>> >> >> to.
> >>> >> >> Since the cafeteria closed early at 7:30,
> >>> this was
> >>> >> definitely nice.
> >>> >> >> That seems early to me given the fact that
> >>> I eat
> >>> >> late at home; between 7
> >>> >> >> and
> >>> >> >> 8pm.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Anyway, Amber you are making a good
> >>> personal
> >>> >> decision to leave. So I wish
> >>> >> >> you luck in your next decision to find
> >>> decent
> >>> >> training or whatever you
> >>> >> >> need.
> >>> >> >> I don't remember your intro to us, so I'm
> >>> not sure
> >>> >> if you are a current
> >>> >> >> college student or recent grad.
> >>> >> >> If you haven't finished school, I hope you
> >>> can as
> >>> >> it opens up more doors
> >>> >> >> to
> >>> >> >> you.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Ashley
> >>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >> >> From: Herrin, Amber R.
> >>> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:36 PM
> >>> >> >> To: 'National Association of Blind
> >>> Students mailing
> >>> >> list'
> >>> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock
> >>> Employment
> >>> >> Training Programs
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Ian,
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I am currently at WSB, but am planning to
> >>> leave on
> >>> >> Friday.  Here is what
> >>> >> >> I
> >>> >> >> have experienced.  I will do my best to
> >>> give
> >>> >> only facts and not color
> >>> >> >> those
> >>> >> >> facts with my opinion, though before I
> >>> begin, I
> >>> >> will clearly state that
> >>> >> >> if
> >>> >> >> you are asking for an opinion as to
> >>> whether or not
> >>> >> one should attend this
> >>> >> >> program in order to obtain a job, I would
> >>> have to
> >>> >> say no.  But I am not
> >>> >> >> you
> >>> >> >> or anyone else for that matter, and what I
> >>> have
> >>> >> experienced here has
> >>> >> >> colored
> >>> >> >> my opinion, and may not be very reliable.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> The facts:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> *Several students (including myself) have
> >>> had
> >>> >> valuables go missing.
> >>> >> >> *The food does not seem to meet health and
> >>> safety
> >>> >> codes. (just one
> >>> >> >> example-there are many-one evening we had
> >>> chicken
> >>> >> wings, and though the
> >>> >> >> outside was hot, the inside was not.  I
> >>> would
> >>> >> not mention this, except
> >>> >> >> this
> >>> >> >> is not an isolated incident.)
> >>> >> >> *The showers have light bulbs  (not
> >>> protected
> >>> >> by any kind of panels)
> >>> >> >> inside
> >>> >> >> the actual stall where water could be
> >>> accidentally
> >>> >> splashed.  I brought
> >>> >> >> this
> >>> >> >> up as a concern, so they put a cover over
> >>> mine, but
> >>> >> mine is not the only
> >>> >> >> one
> >>> >> >> that this is the case with (as confirmed
> >>> by other
> >>> >> clients.)
> >>> >> >> *Despite several complaints from many
> >>> clients, the
> >>> >> building is full of
> >>> >> >> bugs.
> >>> >> >> They say that someone comes regularly to
> >>> spray, but
> >>> >> bugs were found even
> >>> >> >> in
> >>> >> >> my room, and I am a very clean person.
> >>> (read as, do
> >>> >> not leave food in
> >>> >> >> uncealed containers or dishes with food
> >>> still on
> >>> >> them etc.)
> >>> >> >> *Clients are unable to have microwaves or
> >>> >> refrigerators in their rooms,
> >>> >> >> and
> >>> >> >> so are reduced to coolers full of ice or
> >>> nothing at
> >>> >> all except cafeteria
> >>> >> >> food.  There are microwaves that
> >>> physically
> >>> >> exist, but they do not work
> >>> >> >> very
> >>> >> >> well.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Now I can say that there are other things
> >>> I could
> >>> >> talk about, but they
> >>> >> >> probably come down to personal preference
> >>> and
> >>> >> really are just normal
> >>> >> >> inconveniences that one would encounter on
> >>> any
> >>> >> college dorm, except they
> >>> >> >> are
> >>> >> >> exaggerated because of the fact that
> >>> everything is
> >>> >> scaled down hugely.
> >>> >> >> So
> >>> >> >> while, for example, on most college
> >>> campuses, you
> >>> >> could go to a dining
> >>> >> >> hall
> >>> >> >> at almost any time of day, if you do not
> >>> come to
> >>> >> meals at the times
> >>> >> >> specified, you don't eat meals.  I am
> >>> sure
> >>> >> that anyone can argue that
> >>> >> >> when
> >>> >> >> in school, you have to work with a
> >>> particular
> >>> >> schedule, and while this is
> >>> >> >> true to some extent, I do take issue with
> >>> the fact
> >>> >> that we can't even
> >>> >> >> have
> >>> >> >> microwaves or refrigerators in our rooms
> >>> so that we
> >>> >> may maintain the
> >>> >> >> schedules that are most comfortable for
> >>> us.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> The last thing I mention is a large thing
> >>> and may
> >>> >> not affect anyone, but
> >>> >> >> I
> >>> >> >> feel I must mention it, because if I did
> >>> not, I
> >>> >> would be doing a great
> >>> >> >> disservice to anyone considering attending
> >>> this
> >>> >> center.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Two weeks ago this Friday, I was groped by
> >>> an
> >>> >> authority figure.  He was
> >>> >> >> picking me up from the airport, and I was
> >>> >> approaching the baggage claim
> >>> >> >> with
> >>> >> >> a female passenger from my flight.  This
> >>> >> authority figure approached me
> >>> >> >> without announcing himself, put his arm
> >>> around my
> >>> >> waist, hugged me to
> >>> >> >> himself in a tight, possessive manner, and
> >>> told the
> >>> >> female passenger who
> >>> >> >> had
> >>> >> >> offered to walk with me that he "had it
> >>> under
> >>> >> control from there, but
> >>> >> >> thanks."  After which, he looked down at
> >>> me
> >>> >> and said, "How was your trip,
> >>> >> >> Punkin?  We've missed you!  We're so
> >>> glad
> >>> >> you're home!"
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> This man did not announce himself to me in
> >>> the
> >>> >> beginning, should have
> >>> >> >> been
> >>> >> >> treating me professionally, is old enough
> >>> to be my
> >>> >> father, and possibly
> >>> >> >> even
> >>> >> >> my grandfather, has only interacted with
> >>> me
> >>> >> minimally since my arrival at
> >>> >> >> the center, I'm 24, etc etc etc.
> >>> Basically,
> >>> >> it was wayyy wayyyy beyond
> >>> >> >> what
> >>> >> >> one would call professional or even
> >>> acceptable
> >>> >> regardless of setting.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I cannot tell you whether to attend this
> >>> center;
> >>> >> only you can decide that
> >>> >> >> for yourself.  What I can tell you is
> >>> that the
> >>> >> man who did this to me was
> >>> >> >> reported by me, and, I have discovered,
> >>> has been
> >>> >> reported multiple times
> >>> >> >> by
> >>> >> >> other females that he has violated in one
> >>> way or
> >>> >> another, and still holds
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> a
> >>> >> >> job here.  I believe there is something
> >>> big
> >>> >> going on here that I am
> >>> >> >> unaware
> >>> >> >> of, and am only glad to be leaving.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I have met some truly wonderful people
> >>> here, but
> >>> >> regardless of that, I
> >>> >> >> could
> >>> >> >> never suggest that someone attend here.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I hope this helps you make your
> >>> decision.  If
> >>> >> it does not, please know
> >>> >> >> that
> >>> >> >> I wish you all the best.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Amber R. Herrin
> >>> >> >> Mobile: (513) 593-5855
> >>> >> >> E-mail: herrinar at muohio.edu
> >>> >> >> "It doesn't matter what you've heard
> >>> >> >> Impossible is not a word
> >>> >> >> It's just a reason
> >>> >> >> For someone not to try
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Everybody's scared to death
> >>> >> >> When they decide to take that step
> >>> >> >> Out on the water
> >>> >> >> It'll be alright
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Life is so much more
> >>> >> >> Than what your eyes are seeing
> >>> >> >> You will find your way
> >>> >> >> If you keep believing"
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> >> >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>> >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>> >> On
> >>> >> >> Behalf
> >>> >> >> Of Anmol Bhatia
> >>> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:49 PM
> >>> >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students
> >>> mailing
> >>> >> list
> >>> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock
> >>> Employment
> >>> >> Training Programs
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Ian,
> >>> >> >> I have never attended LWSB as a trainny,
> >>> but I used
> >>> >> to go there on to
> >>> >> >> stay
> >>> >> >> during weekends in the 1990s. The only
> >>> thing I can
> >>> >> say is that LWSB has
> >>> >> >> made
> >>> >> >> alot of changes last couple of years and I
> >>> would
> >>> >> think about visiting
> >>> >> >> there
> >>> >> >> before deciding one way or the other. They
> >>> do have
> >>> >> an option to live off
> >>> >> >> campus and as far as I am aware that there
> >>> is not a
> >>> >> sign in and sign out
> >>> >> >> policy  after class time. Now they may
> >>> have
> >>> >> sign in and sign out policy
> >>> >> >> during class time to keep count of
> >>> attendance,
> >>> >> however, this is know
> >>> >> >> different signing in and signing out of
> >>> work which
> >>> >> everyone blind and
> >>> >> >> sighted has to do.
> >>> >> >> The IRS program is one of the best
> >>> programs there
> >>> >> and frankly since you
> >>> >> >> have
> >>> >> >> to be excepted for a job at one of the IRS
> >>> offices,
> >>> >> it is a guarantied
> >>> >> >> employment after completing the program
> >>> and they
> >>> >> start at 45,000 or more.
> >>> >> >> The food was not the greatest, however, as
> >>> I said
> >>> >> above LWSB now known as
> >>> >> >> World Services for the Blind has made alot
> >>> of
> >>> >> changes under the new
> >>> >> >> director
> >>> >> >> and frankly I can not tell you how the
> >>> food is now.
> >>> >> As I said earlier, I
> >>> >> >> would make a visit there before making any
> >>> kind of
> >>> >> decision.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Anmol
> >>> >> >> I seldom think about my limitations, and
> >>> they never
> >>> >> make me sad. Perhaps
> >>> >> >> there is just a touch of yearning at
> >>> times; but it
> >>> >> is vague, like a
> >>> >> >> breeze
> >>> >> >> among flowers.
> >>> >> >> Hellen Keller
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> From: Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
> >>> >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB Little Rock
> >>> Employment
> >>> >> Training Programs
> >>> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind
> >>> Students"
> >>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> >> >>> Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 4:14 PM
> >>> >> >>> Hi
> >>> >> >>> I'm wondering if any of you have
> >>> attended
> >>> >> LWSB for one of their
> >>> >> >>> employment training programs, or LWSB
> >>> in
> >>> >> general?
> >>> >> >>> I'm looking into one of the IRS
> >>> programs, and
> >>> >> was reading the manual,
> >>> >> >>> and it seems like a very strict and
> >>> structured
> >>> >> environment, even
> >>> >> >>> though most of the participants are
> >>> adults. For
> >>> >> instance, you have to
> >>> >> >>> sign out if you want to go somewhere
> >>> and things
> >>> >> like that. Have any of
> >>> >> >>> you attended LWSB? I'd love to hear
> >>> what your
> >>> >> experiences were. Since
> >>> >> >>> I've been to college, it sounds like
> >>> it's
> >>> >> not as independent of an
> >>> >> >>> environment.
> >>> >> >>> Ian
> >>> >> >>>
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