[nabs-l] meeting results and whatto dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege

Sat Jul 21 19:11:51 UTC 2012

Ashley, Do you think Dr. Maurer had a computer when he went to law school? 
What about Dr. Tenbrook? I'm not saying it was easy in college by no 
means... but I got through it. Computers are great, but what happends when 
your computer doesn't work any longer? One has to learn how to compensate. I 
think all these technologies we have is great, but I think we depend on it a 
bit to much! I think this is something that should be explored with the 
leaders in the federation, is what was it like when their were no computers. 
RJ
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Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and whatto 
dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege


> Hi Rj,
>
> I will Answer Beth's question later. Her situation is complex and she 
> wants a mac for college; not only that, but she probably feels discouraged 
> from it too.
> We all struggle  with one thing or another in college. Its tough. I was 
> overwelmed with the pace and amount of info in college often. I believe 
> your tone is too harsh.  We  do not know her full situation, nor should we 
> discourage her from college.
>
> Everyone struggles; and many people get on academic  probation. If she 
> wants to try again, I see no harm in it all. I also sympathize with her 
> because I struggled with research too; all long complex articles. Most 
> were pdf files not accessible, not to mention half the time the database 
> was not very accessible. I ended up using readers mostly; they could skim 
> for relevant info in these very lengthy articles.  Oh and she said books 
> were an issue. Its true that the library's vast amount of print 
> periodicals and books are not accessible. Get a reader, i say. Most stuff 
> is electronic, but some great info is not. I wanted to use any sources i 
> could. Readers posed a schedule challenge though and were not always 
> reliable. I definately found papers one of the more challenging aspects of 
> college.
>
> So I urge you not to judge so much and our role is to show how stuff is 
> done.  Personally, I think she should not fight so much for the mac. I 
> believe a windows pc will be fine for college. With all those issues with 
> rehab, i'd accept a windows computer and go onto school and fight to get 
> out of those assessments they want her to do.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>Sent: Jul 21, 2012 11:39 AM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to 
>>dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>>
>>Beth, I have to do research for my doctorate program. I'm doing with out a
>>mac. I'd like one, but I'm not in need of one right now. That's part of
>>college! If you can't do research, and or papers, then you're not college
>>material. You have these big dreams of being a social worker, but you're
>>saying the work is difficult. I'll show you difficult. Try doing a 
>>doctorate
>>level class RJ!
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:14 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
>>dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>>
>>
>>> Brandon,
>>> I have difficulties with papers and research and stuff.  Research and
>>> papers are harder for me to do because books are out off the question 
>>> and
>>> articles like on JSTOR and other databases are in PDF format and can't 
>>> be
>>> downloaded without a steep price.  Whuaft in the world!  That's all that
>>> got on my nerves in college.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:40:49 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
>>> dotogetaworkingcomputerfor college
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> That's exactly the goal of rehab. To get you employed. Even if it's at a
>>> sheltered workshop. If you work for 6 months, they will close your case.
>>> Then they get refunded 75% of your cost from the federal government.
>>> That's why you have to be on top of everything, or they will push you
>>> around.
>>> May I ask, what difficulties were you having before in college?
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Beth
>>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:54 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do
>>> togetaworkingcomputerfor college
>>>
>>> I could, and that's another idea.  I'd go to the library and play
>>> with a Mac and do the on screen thingies with Voiceover.  I might
>>> talk to Metro's access office sometime Monday.  I think I'll do
>>> all that you suggest, and I'll probably have to do it while
>>> working.  But the thing is that Rehab would rather tesft my
>>> employability skills becauase they're just interested in getting
>>> money out of me.  I don't believe they want to see me succeed in
>>> the employment I dream about.  They don't think I can handle it
>>> because of the bipolar, and if it weren't for mental issues, I'd
>>> have the Mac in hand and I'd be writing this email on one.  I'd
>>> probablyget one-to-one training.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:47:07 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to
>>> getaworkingcomputerfor college
>>>
>>> Beth, Can you apply for a Pell grant? I don't think you need
>>> rehab to do this.
>>> As for the "proficiency" claims, doesn't someone in rehab
>>> understand
>>> that you can become more proficient at a technology through
>>> practice
>>> and training? Proficiency isn't something like blonde hair you
>>> either
>>> have or don't have when you're born; it's something you can
>>> easily
>>> build up on.
>>> Since the Mac is accessible out of the box, could you possibly go
>>> to a
>>> library, or back to CCB, or somewhere else where there is a
>>> public
>>> Mac, and teach yourself the basics of VoiceOver using the
>>> on-screen
>>> tutorials?
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 7/20/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Julie won't help.  They won't get me a Mac because of
>>> proficiency.  They don't realize it's maintenance that's keeping
>>> me from wanting a PC so much.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:40:33 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get
>>> aworkingcomputerfor college
>>>
>>> Beth, What were their reasons for not getting you a mac? Mabie
>>> you should
>>> talk to July Deeden. RJ
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 5:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>>> workingcomputerfor college
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On 7/20/2012 12:10 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>>  I really don't know how the system works in the US so I'm sorry
>>> if I
>>>  sound completely ignorant, but why do you care so much about
>>> what
>>>  rehab wants you to do? If you want to go to college can't you
>>> apply to
>>>  schools just like anyone else?
>>>
>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>  On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Thanks for the link even.  They don't want me to have a Mac
>>> because I'm
>>>  "not proficient."  They are interpreting even a few keystrokes
>>> as "no
>>>  proficiency."  I don't know what to say or do at this point
>>> because I
>>>  want to succeed in college and thi stupid work assessment
>>> training, but
>>>  whaut they did to me, I don't know whether it should be pointed
>>> out or
>>>  avenged.
>>>  Beth
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>  Date sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:21:14 -0700
>>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>>>  workingcomputerfor college
>>>
>>>  Hello,
>>>  If you graduated high school and got excepted into college, you
>>> should
>>>  just
>>>  go and tell them that you're going and you need this, this and
>>> this in
>>>  order
>>>  to be independent. You need to have a technology assessment by
>>> a
>>>  professional blind technology person and it's your right to get
>>> that
>>>  assessment. If your counselor doesn't get you the meeting with
>>> the
>>>  adaptive
>>>  technology professionals, talk to their supervisor. Let the
>>> supervisor
>>>  know
>>>  that your rehab counselor is keeping you from succeeding in
>>> college and
>>>  if
>>>  they want you to pass your classes, you have got to have a
>>> computer.
>>>  Because
>>>  you aren't someone with time to worry about a technology
>>> failure, you
>>>  really
>>>  need an apple computer that will be dependable and has the best
>>> support
>>>  in
>>>  the world.
>>>  http://www.apple.com/why-mac/
>>>  This is why you need a mac, and you have not had the experience
>>> you want
>>>  in
>>>  college with your PC, so because you want the best, you need to
>>> have a
>>>  Mac.
>>>  First rule of rehab, they want you to do and show what's best
>>> for you.
>>>  They
>>>  will only guide you if you let them. you must be sure, un
>>> moving
>>> and
>>>  firm
>>>  that this is what you want and there is nothing better you can
>>> have,
>>>  even
>>>  though there may be things you're uncertain about. Confidence
>>> is
>>> the key
>>>  and
>>>  independence is the way.
>>>  Thanks,
>>>
>>>  Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: Beth
>>>  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:01 PM
>>>  To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>  Subject: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>>> working
>>>  computerfor college
>>>
>>>  Hi.  The meeting with rehab was unsuuccessful in doing anything
>>>  but made me aware of stuff.  They don't want me to have a Mac
>>>  because they don't feel I should have one.  I understand they
>>>  don't buy macs in Colorado, but my concern about third party
>>> apps
>>>  fell on deaf ears.  They want me to do a "situational
>>> assessment
>>>  and work adjustment training."  They found an agency for me to
>>>  work at, and they're forcing me to go to mental health group
>>> and
>>>  counseling therapies.  Honestly, I'm getting tired of this.  I
>>>  didn't think a mental issue would cause the employment to be
>>> the
>>>  top priority.  But I can't exactly go along with Rehab and
>>> their
>>>  plans.  They pretty much coerced me into doing the work
>>>  adjustment training, saying that I was "putting the cart before
>>>  the horse" with college and all.  But most sighted normal
>>> people
>>>  go to college and get a major.  What am I supposed to do?
>>>  Thanks,
>>>  Beth
>>>
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