[nabs-l] meeting results and whatto dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
Littlefield, Tyler
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Sat Jul 21 19:31:01 UTC 2012
This is something I don't get. I don't think Beth needs a Mac, and I
honestly think a lot of her problems are problems she's creating for
herself. Maybe not intentionally, but "I can't do x because of y," sort
of things.
I also don't really agree with the "We need to do things without
computers." If computers fail, we'll have way worse issues than how to
finish a college paper. Just because Dr. Maurer may have had to chissle
his papers on a slate doesn't mean we do now. Learn how to use the
resources available and learn how to use them well.
On 7/21/2012 1:11 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
> Ashley, Do you think Dr. Maurer had a computer when he went to law
> school? What about Dr. Tenbrook? I'm not saying it was easy in college
> by no means... but I got through it. Computers are great, but what
> happends when your computer doesn't work any longer? One has to learn
> how to compensate. I think all these technologies we have is great,
> but I think we depend on it a bit to much! I think this is something
> that should be explored with the leaders in the federation, is what
> was it like when their were no computers. RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and whatto
> dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>
>
>> Hi Rj,
>>
>> I will Answer Beth's question later. Her situation is complex and she
>> wants a mac for college; not only that, but she probably feels
>> discouraged from it too.
>> We all struggle with one thing or another in college. Its tough. I
>> was overwelmed with the pace and amount of info in college often. I
>> believe your tone is too harsh. We do not know her full situation,
>> nor should we discourage her from college.
>>
>> Everyone struggles; and many people get on academic probation. If
>> she wants to try again, I see no harm in it all. I also sympathize
>> with her because I struggled with research too; all long complex
>> articles. Most were pdf files not accessible, not to mention half the
>> time the database was not very accessible. I ended up using readers
>> mostly; they could skim for relevant info in these very lengthy
>> articles. Oh and she said books were an issue. Its true that the
>> library's vast amount of print periodicals and books are not
>> accessible. Get a reader, i say. Most stuff is electronic, but some
>> great info is not. I wanted to use any sources i could. Readers posed
>> a schedule challenge though and were not always reliable. I
>> definately found papers one of the more challenging aspects of college.
>>
>> So I urge you not to judge so much and our role is to show how stuff
>> is done. Personally, I think she should not fight so much for the
>> mac. I believe a windows pc will be fine for college. With all those
>> issues with rehab, i'd accept a windows computer and go onto school
>> and fight to get out of those assessments they want her to do.
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Jul 21, 2012 11:39 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
>>> dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>>>
>>> Beth, I have to do research for my doctorate program. I'm doing with
>>> out a
>>> mac. I'd like one, but I'm not in need of one right now. That's part of
>>> college! If you can't do research, and or papers, then you're not
>>> college
>>> material. You have these big dreams of being a social worker, but
>>> you're
>>> saying the work is difficult. I'll show you difficult. Try doing a
>>> doctorate
>>> level class RJ!
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
>>> dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>>>
>>>
>>>> Brandon,
>>>> I have difficulties with papers and research and stuff. Research and
>>>> papers are harder for me to do because books are out off the
>>>> question and
>>>> articles like on JSTOR and other databases are in PDF format and
>>>> can't be
>>>> downloaded without a steep price. Whuaft in the world! That's all
>>>> that
>>>> got on my nerves in college.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:40:49 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
>>>> dotogetaworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> That's exactly the goal of rehab. To get you employed. Even if it's
>>>> at a
>>>> sheltered workshop. If you work for 6 months, they will close your
>>>> case.
>>>> Then they get refunded 75% of your cost from the federal government.
>>>> That's why you have to be on top of everything, or they will push you
>>>> around.
>>>> May I ask, what difficulties were you having before in college?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Beth
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:54 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do
>>>> togetaworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>
>>>> I could, and that's another idea. I'd go to the library and play
>>>> with a Mac and do the on screen thingies with Voiceover. I might
>>>> talk to Metro's access office sometime Monday. I think I'll do
>>>> all that you suggest, and I'll probably have to do it while
>>>> working. But the thing is that Rehab would rather tesft my
>>>> employability skills becauase they're just interested in getting
>>>> money out of me. I don't believe they want to see me succeed in
>>>> the employment I dream about. They don't think I can handle it
>>>> because of the bipolar, and if it weren't for mental issues, I'd
>>>> have the Mac in hand and I'd be writing this email on one. I'd
>>>> probablyget one-to-one training.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:47:07 -0600
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to
>>>> getaworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>
>>>> Beth, Can you apply for a Pell grant? I don't think you need
>>>> rehab to do this.
>>>> As for the "proficiency" claims, doesn't someone in rehab
>>>> understand
>>>> that you can become more proficient at a technology through
>>>> practice
>>>> and training? Proficiency isn't something like blonde hair you
>>>> either
>>>> have or don't have when you're born; it's something you can
>>>> easily
>>>> build up on.
>>>> Since the Mac is accessible out of the box, could you possibly go
>>>> to a
>>>> library, or back to CCB, or somewhere else where there is a
>>>> public
>>>> Mac, and teach yourself the basics of VoiceOver using the
>>>> on-screen
>>>> tutorials?
>>>> Arielle
>>>>
>>>> On 7/20/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Julie won't help. They won't get me a Mac because of
>>>> proficiency. They don't realize it's maintenance that's keeping
>>>> me from wanting a PC so much.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:40:33 -0400
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get
>>>> aworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>
>>>> Beth, What were their reasons for not getting you a mac? Mabie
>>>> you should
>>>> talk to July Deeden. RJ
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 5:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>>>> workingcomputerfor college
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/20/2012 12:10 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>>> I really don't know how the system works in the US so I'm sorry
>>>> if I
>>>> sound completely ignorant, but why do you care so much about
>>>> what
>>>> rehab wants you to do? If you want to go to college can't you
>>>> apply to
>>>> schools just like anyone else?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the link even. They don't want me to have a Mac
>>>> because I'm
>>>> "not proficient." They are interpreting even a few keystrokes
>>>> as "no
>>>> proficiency." I don't know what to say or do at this point
>>>> because I
>>>> want to succeed in college and thi stupid work assessment
>>>> training, but
>>>> whaut they did to me, I don't know whether it should be pointed
>>>> out or
>>>> avenged.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:21:14 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>>>> workingcomputerfor college
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> If you graduated high school and got excepted into college, you
>>>> should
>>>> just
>>>> go and tell them that you're going and you need this, this and
>>>> this in
>>>> order
>>>> to be independent. You need to have a technology assessment by
>>>> a
>>>> professional blind technology person and it's your right to get
>>>> that
>>>> assessment. If your counselor doesn't get you the meeting with
>>>> the
>>>> adaptive
>>>> technology professionals, talk to their supervisor. Let the
>>>> supervisor
>>>> know
>>>> that your rehab counselor is keeping you from succeeding in
>>>> college and
>>>> if
>>>> they want you to pass your classes, you have got to have a
>>>> computer.
>>>> Because
>>>> you aren't someone with time to worry about a technology
>>>> failure, you
>>>> really
>>>> need an apple computer that will be dependable and has the best
>>>> support
>>>> in
>>>> the world.
>>>> http://www.apple.com/why-mac/
>>>> This is why you need a mac, and you have not had the experience
>>>> you want
>>>> in
>>>> college with your PC, so because you want the best, you need to
>>>> have a
>>>> Mac.
>>>> First rule of rehab, they want you to do and show what's best
>>>> for you.
>>>> They
>>>> will only guide you if you let them. you must be sure, un
>>>> moving
>>>> and
>>>> firm
>>>> that this is what you want and there is nothing better you can
>>>> have,
>>>> even
>>>> though there may be things you're uncertain about. Confidence
>>>> is
>>>> the key
>>>> and
>>>> independence is the way.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Beth
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:01 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>>>> working
>>>> computerfor college
>>>>
>>>> Hi. The meeting with rehab was unsuuccessful in doing anything
>>>> but made me aware of stuff. They don't want me to have a Mac
>>>> because they don't feel I should have one. I understand they
>>>> don't buy macs in Colorado, but my concern about third party
>>>> apps
>>>> fell on deaf ears. They want me to do a "situational
>>>> assessment
>>>> and work adjustment training." They found an agency for me to
>>>> work at, and they're forcing me to go to mental health group
>>>> and
>>>> counseling therapies. Honestly, I'm getting tired of this. I
>>>> didn't think a mental issue would cause the employment to be
>>>> the
>>>> top priority. But I can't exactly go along with Rehab and
>>>> their
>>>> plans. They pretty much coerced me into doing the work
>>>> adjustment training, saying that I was "putting the cart before
>>>> the horse" with college and all. But most sighted normal
>>>> people
>>>> go to college and get a major. What am I supposed to do?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Beth
>>>>
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