[nabs-l] meeting results andwhatto dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
Beth
thebluesisloose at gmail.com
Sat Jul 21 22:51:23 UTC 2012
Tyler,
The balloons on a PC that say "click this balloon to fix the
problem are the biggest issue for me and then, when people are
actually trying to help me maintain the PC, like to keep viruses
off of it, see the errors, I don't even realize they're there.
Thanks to all those errors, my hard drive got fried.
Beth
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From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com
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Date sent: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:31:01 -0600
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dotogetaworking
computerforcoll
ege
This is something I don't get. I don't think Beth needs a Mac,
and I
honestly think a lot of her problems are problems she's creating
for
herself. Maybe not intentionally, but "I can't do x because of
y," sort
of things.
I also don't really agree with the "We need to do things without
computers." If computers fail, we'll have way worse issues than
how to
finish a college paper. Just because Dr. Maurer may have had to
chissle
his papers on a slate doesn't mean we do now. Learn how to use
the
resources available and learn how to use them well.
On 7/21/2012 1:11 PM, RJ Sandefur wrote:
Ashley, Do you think Dr. Maurer had a computer when he went to
law
school? What about Dr. Tenbrook? I'm not saying it was easy in
college
by no means... but I got through it. Computers are great, but
what
happends when your computer doesn't work any longer? One has to
learn
how to compensate. I think all these technologies we have is
great,
but I think we depend on it a bit to much! I think this is
something
that should be explored with the leaders in the federation, is
what
was it like when their were no computers. RJ
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dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
Hi Rj,
I will Answer Beth's question later. Her situation is complex
and she
wants a mac for college; not only that, but she probably feels
discouraged from it too.
We all struggle with one thing or another in college. Its
tough. I
was overwelmed with the pace and amount of info in college
often. I
believe your tone is too harsh. We do not know her full
situation,
nor should we discourage her from college.
Everyone struggles; and many people get on academic probation.
If
she wants to try again, I see no harm in it all. I also
sympathize
with her because I struggled with research too; all long complex
articles. Most were pdf files not accessible, not to mention
half the
time the database was not very accessible. I ended up using
readers
mostly; they could skim for relevant info in these very lengthy
articles. Oh and she said books were an issue. Its true that
the
library's vast amount of print periodicals and books are not
accessible. Get a reader, i say. Most stuff is electronic, but
some
great info is not. I wanted to use any sources i could. Readers
posed
a schedule challenge though and were not always reliable. I
definately found papers one of the more challenging aspects of
college.
So I urge you not to judge so much and our role is to show how
stuff
is done. Personally, I think she should not fight so much for
the
mac. I believe a windows pc will be fine for college. With all
those
issues with rehab, i'd accept a windows computer and go onto
school
and fight to get out of those assessments they want her to do.
Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
Sent: Jul 21, 2012 11:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
Beth, I have to do research for my doctorate program. I'm doing
with
out a
mac. I'd like one, but I'm not in need of one right now. That's
part of
college! If you can't do research, and or papers, then you're
not
college
material. You have these big dreams of being a social worker,
but
you're
saying the work is difficult. I'll show you difficult. Try doing
a
doctorate
level class RJ!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth"
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Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
Brandon,
I have difficulties with papers and research and stuff. Research
and
papers are harder for me to do because books are out off the
question and
articles like on JSTOR and other databases are in PDF format and
can't be
downloaded without a steep price. Whuaft in the world! That's
all
that
got on my nerves in college.
Beth
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
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Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:40:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
dotogetaworkingcomputerfor college
Hello,
That's exactly the goal of rehab. To get you employed. Even if
it's
at a
sheltered workshop. If you work for 6 months, they will close
your
case.
Then they get refunded 75% of your cost from the federal
government.
That's why you have to be on top of everything, or they will
push you
around.
May I ask, what difficulties were you having before in college?
Thanks,
Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do
togetaworkingcomputerfor college
I could, and that's another idea. I'd go to the library and
play
with a Mac and do the on screen thingies with Voiceover. I
might
talk to Metro's access office sometime Monday. I think I'll do
all that you suggest, and I'll probably have to do it while
working. But the thing is that Rehab would rather tesft my
employability skills becauase they're just interested in getting
money out of me. I don't believe they want to see me succeed in
the employment I dream about. They don't think I can handle it
because of the bipolar, and if it weren't for mental issues, I'd
have the Mac in hand and I'd be writing this email on one. I'd
probablyget one-to-one training.
Beth
----- Original Message -----
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Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:47:07 -0600
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getaworkingcomputerfor college
Beth, Can you apply for a Pell grant? I don't think you need
rehab to do this.
As for the "proficiency" claims, doesn't someone in rehab
understand
that you can become more proficient at a technology through
practice
and training? Proficiency isn't something like blonde hair you
either
have or don't have when you're born; it's something you can
easily
build up on.
Since the Mac is accessible out of the box, could you possibly
go
to a
library, or back to CCB, or somewhere else where there is a
public
Mac, and teach yourself the basics of VoiceOver using the
on-screen
tutorials?
Arielle
On 7/20/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
Julie won't help. They won't get me a Mac because of
proficiency. They don't realize it's maintenance that's keeping
me from wanting a PC so much.
Beth
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From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
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Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:40:33 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get
aworkingcomputerfor college
Beth, What were their reasons for not getting you a mac? Mabie
you should
talk to July Deeden. RJ
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Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 5:09 PM
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workingcomputerfor college
On 7/20/2012 12:10 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
I really don't know how the system works in the US so I'm sorry
if I
sound completely ignorant, but why do you care so much about
what
rehab wants you to do? If you want to go to college can't you
apply to
schools just like anyone else?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
wrote:
Thanks for the link even. They don't want me to have a Mac
because I'm
"not proficient." They are interpreting even a few keystrokes
as "no
proficiency." I don't know what to say or do at this point
because I
want to succeed in college and thi stupid work assessment
training, but
whaut they did to me, I don't know whether it should be pointed
out or
avenged.
Beth
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
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Date sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:21:14 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
workingcomputerfor college
Hello,
If you graduated high school and got excepted into college, you
should
just
go and tell them that you're going and you need this, this and
this in
order
to be independent. You need to have a technology assessment by
a
professional blind technology person and it's your right to get
that
assessment. If your counselor doesn't get you the meeting with
the
adaptive
technology professionals, talk to their supervisor. Let the
supervisor
know
that your rehab counselor is keeping you from succeeding in
college and
if
they want you to pass your classes, you have got to have a
computer.
Because
you aren't someone with time to worry about a technology
failure, you
really
need an apple computer that will be dependable and has the best
support
in
the world.
http://www.apple.com/why-mac/
This is why you need a mac, and you have not had the experience
you want
in
college with your PC, so because you want the best, you need to
have a
Mac.
First rule of rehab, they want you to do and show what's best
for you.
They
will only guide you if you let them. you must be sure, un
moving
and
firm
that this is what you want and there is nothing better you can
have,
even
though there may be things you're uncertain about. Confidence
is
the key
and
independence is the way.
Thanks,
Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message-----
From: Beth
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:01 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
working
computerfor college
Hi. The meeting with rehab was unsuuccessful in doing anything
but made me aware of stuff. They don't want me to have a Mac
because they don't feel I should have one. I understand they
don't buy macs in Colorado, but my concern about third party
apps
fell on deaf ears. They want me to do a "situational
assessment
and work adjustment training." They found an agency for me to
work at, and they're forcing me to go to mental health group
and
counseling therapies. Honestly, I'm getting tired of this. I
didn't think a mental issue would cause the employment to be
the
top priority. But I can't exactly go along with Rehab and
their
plans. They pretty much coerced me into doing the work
adjustment training, saying that I was "putting the cart before
the horse" with college and all. But most sighted normal
people
go to college and get a major. What am I supposed to do?
Thanks,
Beth
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