[nabs-l] meeting results andwhatto dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege

Joshua Lester jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Sat Jul 21 23:00:13 UTC 2012


Beth.
When your computer stops working right, use the Perkins Brailler, or
slate and stylus.
Blessings, Joshua

On 7/21/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Look, if it weren't for computers, I wouldn't be sending this
> email, and BrailleNotes wouldn't be invented and stuff, and so on
> and so forth.  I'm sick and tired of people saying, "You don't
> need that" when in truthh you actually do.
> Beth
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
> To: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>,"National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:11:51 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results andwhatto	
> dotogetaworking
> computerforcoll
> ege
>
> Ashley, Do you think Dr. Maurer had a computer when he went to
> law school?
> What about Dr. Tenbrook? I'm not saying it was easy in college by
> no
> means... but I got through it. Computers are great, but what
> happends when
> your computer doesn't work any longer? One has to learn how to
> compensate. I
> think all these technologies we have is great, but I think we
> depend on it a
> bit to much! I think this is something that should be explored
> with the
> leaders in the federation, is what was it like when their were no
> computers.
> RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and whatto
> dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>
>
>  Hi Rj,
>
>  I will Answer Beth's question later. Her situation is complex
> and she
>  wants a mac for college; not only that, but she probably feels
> discouraged
>  from it too.
>  We all struggle  with one thing or another in college. Its
> tough. I was
>  overwelmed with the pace and amount of info in college often. I
> believe
>  your tone is too harsh.  We  do not know her full situation, nor
> should we
>  discourage her from college.
>
>  Everyone struggles; and many people get on academic  probation.
> If she
>  wants to try again, I see no harm in it all. I also sympathize
> with her
>  because I struggled with research too; all long complex
> articles. Most
>  were pdf files not accessible, not to mention half the time the
> database
>  was not very accessible. I ended up using readers mostly; they
> could skim
>  for relevant info in these very lengthy articles.  Oh and she
> said books
>  were an issue. Its true that the library's vast amount of print
>  periodicals and books are not accessible. Get a reader, i say.
> Most stuff
>  is electronic, but some great info is not. I wanted to use any
> sources i
>  could. Readers posed a schedule challenge though and were not
> always
>  reliable. I definately found papers one of the more challenging
> aspects of
>  college.
>
>  So I urge you not to judge so much and our role is to show how
> stuff is
>  done.  Personally, I think she should not fight so much for the
> mac. I
>  believe a windows pc will be fine for college. With all those
> issues with
>  rehab, i'd accept a windows computer and go onto school and
> fight to get
>  out of those assessments they want her to do.
>
>  Ashley
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
> Sent: Jul 21, 2012 11:39 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
> dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>
> Beth, I have to do research for my doctorate program. I'm doing
> with out a
> mac. I'd like one, but I'm not in need of one right now. That's
> part of
> college! If you can't do research, and or papers, then you're not
> college
> material. You have these big dreams of being a social worker, but
> you're
> saying the work is difficult. I'll show you difficult. Try doing
> a
> doctorate
> level class RJ!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
> dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>
>
>  Brandon,
>  I have difficulties with papers and research and stuff.
> Research and
>  papers are harder for me to do because books are out off the
> question
>  and
>  articles like on JSTOR and other databases are in PDF format and
> can't
>  be
>  downloaded without a steep price.  Whuaft in the world!  That's
> all that
>  got on my nerves in college.
>  Beth
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:40:49 -0700
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
>  dotogetaworkingcomputerfor college
>
>  Hello,
>  That's exactly the goal of rehab. To get you employed. Even if
> it's at a
>  sheltered workshop. If you work for 6 months, they will close
> your case.
>  Then they get refunded 75% of your cost from the federal
> government.
>  That's why you have to be on top of everything, or they will
> push you
>  around.
>  May I ask, what difficulties were you having before in college?
>  Thanks,
>
>  Brandon Keith Biggs
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Beth
>  Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:54 PM
>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do
>  togetaworkingcomputerfor college
>
>  I could, and that's another idea.  I'd go to the library and
> play
>  with a Mac and do the on screen thingies with Voiceover.  I
> might
>  talk to Metro's access office sometime Monday.  I think I'll do
>  all that you suggest, and I'll probably have to do it while
>  working.  But the thing is that Rehab would rather tesft my
>  employability skills becauase they're just interested in getting
>  money out of me.  I don't believe they want to see me succeed in
>  the employment I dream about.  They don't think I can handle it
>  because of the bipolar, and if it weren't for mental issues, I'd
>  have the Mac in hand and I'd be writing this email on one.  I'd
>  probablyget one-to-one training.
>  Beth
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:47:07 -0600
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to
>  getaworkingcomputerfor college
>
>  Beth, Can you apply for a Pell grant? I don't think you need
>  rehab to do this.
>  As for the "proficiency" claims, doesn't someone in rehab
>  understand
>  that you can become more proficient at a technology through
>  practice
>  and training? Proficiency isn't something like blonde hair you
>  either
>  have or don't have when you're born; it's something you can
>  easily
>  build up on.
>  Since the Mac is accessible out of the box, could you possibly
> go
>  to a
>  library, or back to CCB, or somewhere else where there is a
>  public
>  Mac, and teach yourself the basics of VoiceOver using the
>  on-screen
>  tutorials?
>  Arielle
>
>  On 7/20/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Julie won't help.  They won't get me a Mac because of
>  proficiency.  They don't realize it's maintenance that's keeping
>  me from wanting a PC so much.
>  Beth
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:40:33 -0400
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get
>  aworkingcomputerfor college
>
>  Beth, What were their reasons for not getting you a mac? Mabie
>  you should
>  talk to July Deeden. RJ
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 5:09 PM
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>  workingcomputerfor college
>
>
>
>   On 7/20/2012 12:10 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>   I really don't know how the system works in the US so I'm sorry
>  if I
>   sound completely ignorant, but why do you care so much about
>  what
>   rehab wants you to do? If you want to go to college can't you
>  apply to
>   schools just like anyone else?
>
>   Sent from my iPhone
>
>   On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>  wrote:
>
>   Thanks for the link even.  They don't want me to have a Mac
>  because I'm
>   "not proficient."  They are interpreting even a few keystrokes
>  as "no
>   proficiency."  I don't know what to say or do at this point
>  because I
>   want to succeed in college and thi stupid work assessment
>  training, but
>   whaut they did to me, I don't know whether it should be pointed
>  out or
>   avenged.
>   Beth
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>   To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>   <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>   Date sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:21:14 -0700
>   Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>   workingcomputerfor college
>
>   Hello,
>   If you graduated high school and got excepted into college, you
>  should
>   just
>   go and tell them that you're going and you need this, this and
>  this in
>   order
>   to be independent. You need to have a technology assessment by
>  a
>   professional blind technology person and it's your right to get
>  that
>   assessment. If your counselor doesn't get you the meeting with
>  the
>   adaptive
>   technology professionals, talk to their supervisor. Let the
>  supervisor
>   know
>   that your rehab counselor is keeping you from succeeding in
>  college and
>   if
>   they want you to pass your classes, you have got to have a
>  computer.
>   Because
>   you aren't someone with time to worry about a technology
>  failure, you
>   really
>   need an apple computer that will be dependable and has the best
>  support
>   in
>   the world.
>   http://www.apple.com/why-mac/
>   This is why you need a mac, and you have not had the experience
>  you want
>   in
>   college with your PC, so because you want the best, you need to
>  have a
>   Mac.
>   First rule of rehab, they want you to do and show what's best
>  for you.
>   They
>   will only guide you if you let them. you must be sure, un
>  moving
>  and
>   firm
>   that this is what you want and there is nothing better you can
>  have,
>   even
>   though there may be things you're uncertain about. Confidence
>  is
>  the key
>   and
>   independence is the way.
>   Thanks,
>
>   Brandon Keith Biggs
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Beth
>   Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:01 PM
>   To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>   Subject: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>  working
>   computerfor college
>
>   Hi.  The meeting with rehab was unsuuccessful in doing anything
>   but made me aware of stuff.  They don't want me to have a Mac
>   because they don't feel I should have one.  I understand they
>   don't buy macs in Colorado, but my concern about third party
>  apps
>   fell on deaf ears.  They want me to do a "situational
>  assessment
>   and work adjustment training."  They found an agency for me to
>   work at, and they're forcing me to go to mental health group
>  and
>   counseling therapies.  Honestly, I'm getting tired of this.  I
>   didn't think a mental issue would cause the employment to be
>  the
>   top priority.  But I can't exactly go along with Rehab and
>  their
>   plans.  They pretty much coerced me into doing the work
>   adjustment training, saying that I was "putting the cart before
>   the horse" with college and all.  But most sighted normal
>  people
>   go to college and get a major.  What am I supposed to do?
>   Thanks,
>   Beth
>
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