[nabs-l] meeting results and whatto dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege

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Sun Jul 22 00:57:09 UTC 2012 

Hi RJ,

Your response compares apples and oranges. In those days when Maurer went to school, computers did not exist! they typed on typewriters. Now you have to have a computer to turn in any work: papers, homework, take home tests, etc, etc. So we need computers; saying that they did it without them is well irrelevant because now a days any college has to have a computer to go to school. Now does Beth need a mac? I think not because if her windows pc is fine and most students use them, then she can too.

To Josh and others saying use a perkins, you cannot do that to turn in work; a professor cannot read braille! Lets give realistic advice, people.

Ashley

-----Original Message-----
>From: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 21, 2012 3:11 PM
>To: bookwormahb at earthlink.net, National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and whatto	dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>
>Ashley, Do you think Dr. Maurer had a computer when he went to law school? 
>What about Dr. Tenbrook? I'm not saying it was easy in college by no 
>means... but I got through it. Computers are great, but what happends when 
>your computer doesn't work any longer? One has to learn how to compensate. I 
>think all these technologies we have is great, but I think we depend on it a 
>bit to much! I think this is something that should be explored with the 
>leaders in the federation, is what was it like when their were no computers. 
>RJ
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and whatto 
>dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>
>
>> Hi Rj,
>>
>> I will Answer Beth's question later. Her situation is complex and she 
>> wants a mac for college; not only that, but she probably feels discouraged 
>> from it too.
>> We all struggle  with one thing or another in college. Its tough. I was 
>> overwelmed with the pace and amount of info in college often. I believe 
>> your tone is too harsh.  We  do not know her full situation, nor should we 
>> discourage her from college.
>>
>> Everyone struggles; and many people get on academic  probation. If she 
>> wants to try again, I see no harm in it all. I also sympathize with her 
>> because I struggled with research too; all long complex articles. Most 
>> were pdf files not accessible, not to mention half the time the database 
>> was not very accessible. I ended up using readers mostly; they could skim 
>> for relevant info in these very lengthy articles.  Oh and she said books 
>> were an issue. Its true that the library's vast amount of print 
>> periodicals and books are not accessible. Get a reader, i say. Most stuff 
>> is electronic, but some great info is not. I wanted to use any sources i 
>> could. Readers posed a schedule challenge though and were not always 
>> reliable. I definately found papers one of the more challenging aspects of 
>> college.
>>
>> So I urge you not to judge so much and our role is to show how stuff is 
>> done.  Personally, I think she should not fight so much for the mac. I 
>> believe a windows pc will be fine for college. With all those issues with 
>> rehab, i'd accept a windows computer and go onto school and fight to get 
>> out of those assessments they want her to do.
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>Sent: Jul 21, 2012 11:39 AM
>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to 
>>>dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>>>
>>>Beth, I have to do research for my doctorate program. I'm doing with out a
>>>mac. I'd like one, but I'm not in need of one right now. That's part of
>>>college! If you can't do research, and or papers, then you're not college
>>>material. You have these big dreams of being a social worker, but you're
>>>saying the work is difficult. I'll show you difficult. Try doing a 
>>>doctorate
>>>level class RJ!
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:14 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
>>>dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>>>
>>>
>>>> Brandon,
>>>> I have difficulties with papers and research and stuff.  Research and
>>>> papers are harder for me to do because books are out off the question 
>>>> and
>>>> articles like on JSTOR and other databases are in PDF format and can't 
>>>> be
>>>> downloaded without a steep price.  Whuaft in the world!  That's all that
>>>> got on my nerves in college.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:40:49 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
>>>> dotogetaworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> That's exactly the goal of rehab. To get you employed. Even if it's at a
>>>> sheltered workshop. If you work for 6 months, they will close your case.
>>>> Then they get refunded 75% of your cost from the federal government.
>>>> That's why you have to be on top of everything, or they will push you
>>>> around.
>>>> May I ask, what difficulties were you having before in college?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Beth
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:54 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do
>>>> togetaworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>
>>>> I could, and that's another idea.  I'd go to the library and play
>>>> with a Mac and do the on screen thingies with Voiceover.  I might
>>>> talk to Metro's access office sometime Monday.  I think I'll do
>>>> all that you suggest, and I'll probably have to do it while
>>>> working.  But the thing is that Rehab would rather tesft my
>>>> employability skills becauase they're just interested in getting
>>>> money out of me.  I don't believe they want to see me succeed in
>>>> the employment I dream about.  They don't think I can handle it
>>>> because of the bipolar, and if it weren't for mental issues, I'd
>>>> have the Mac in hand and I'd be writing this email on one.  I'd
>>>> probablyget one-to-one training.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:47:07 -0600
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to
>>>> getaworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>
>>>> Beth, Can you apply for a Pell grant? I don't think you need
>>>> rehab to do this.
>>>> As for the "proficiency" claims, doesn't someone in rehab
>>>> understand
>>>> that you can become more proficient at a technology through
>>>> practice
>>>> and training? Proficiency isn't something like blonde hair you
>>>> either
>>>> have or don't have when you're born; it's something you can
>>>> easily
>>>> build up on.
>>>> Since the Mac is accessible out of the box, could you possibly go
>>>> to a
>>>> library, or back to CCB, or somewhere else where there is a
>>>> public
>>>> Mac, and teach yourself the basics of VoiceOver using the
>>>> on-screen
>>>> tutorials?
>>>> Arielle
>>>>
>>>> On 7/20/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Julie won't help.  They won't get me a Mac because of
>>>> proficiency.  They don't realize it's maintenance that's keeping
>>>> me from wanting a PC so much.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:40:33 -0400
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get
>>>> aworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>
>>>> Beth, What were their reasons for not getting you a mac? Mabie
>>>> you should
>>>> talk to July Deeden. RJ
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 5:09 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>>>> workingcomputerfor college
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On 7/20/2012 12:10 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>>>  I really don't know how the system works in the US so I'm sorry
>>>> if I
>>>>  sound completely ignorant, but why do you care so much about
>>>> what
>>>>  rehab wants you to do? If you want to go to college can't you
>>>> apply to
>>>>  schools just like anyone else?
>>>>
>>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>  On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks for the link even.  They don't want me to have a Mac
>>>> because I'm
>>>>  "not proficient."  They are interpreting even a few keystrokes
>>>> as "no
>>>>  proficiency."  I don't know what to say or do at this point
>>>> because I
>>>>  want to succeed in college and thi stupid work assessment
>>>> training, but
>>>>  whaut they did to me, I don't know whether it should be pointed
>>>> out or
>>>>  avenged.
>>>>  Beth
>>>>
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>  From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>  Date sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:21:14 -0700
>>>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>>>>  workingcomputerfor college
>>>>
>>>>  Hello,
>>>>  If you graduated high school and got excepted into college, you
>>>> should
>>>>  just
>>>>  go and tell them that you're going and you need this, this and
>>>> this in
>>>>  order
>>>>  to be independent. You need to have a technology assessment by
>>>> a
>>>>  professional blind technology person and it's your right to get
>>>> that
>>>>  assessment. If your counselor doesn't get you the meeting with
>>>> the
>>>>  adaptive
>>>>  technology professionals, talk to their supervisor. Let the
>>>> supervisor
>>>>  know
>>>>  that your rehab counselor is keeping you from succeeding in
>>>> college and
>>>>  if
>>>>  they want you to pass your classes, you have got to have a
>>>> computer.
>>>>  Because
>>>>  you aren't someone with time to worry about a technology
>>>> failure, you
>>>>  really
>>>>  need an apple computer that will be dependable and has the best
>>>> support
>>>>  in
>>>>  the world.
>>>>  http://www.apple.com/why-mac/
>>>>  This is why you need a mac, and you have not had the experience
>>>> you want
>>>>  in
>>>>  college with your PC, so because you want the best, you need to
>>>> have a
>>>>  Mac.
>>>>  First rule of rehab, they want you to do and show what's best
>>>> for you.
>>>>  They
>>>>  will only guide you if you let them. you must be sure, un
>>>> moving
>>>> and
>>>>  firm
>>>>  that this is what you want and there is nothing better you can
>>>> have,
>>>>  even
>>>>  though there may be things you're uncertain about. Confidence
>>>> is
>>>> the key
>>>>  and
>>>>  independence is the way.
>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>  Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>  From: Beth
>>>>  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:01 PM
>>>>  To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>  Subject: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>>>> working
>>>>  computerfor college
>>>>
>>>>  Hi.  The meeting with rehab was unsuuccessful in doing anything
>>>>  but made me aware of stuff.  They don't want me to have a Mac
>>>>  because they don't feel I should have one.  I understand they
>>>>  don't buy macs in Colorado, but my concern about third party
>>>> apps
>>>>  fell on deaf ears.  They want me to do a "situational
>>>> assessment
>>>>  and work adjustment training."  They found an agency for me to
>>>>  work at, and they're forcing me to go to mental health group
>>>> and
>>>>  counseling therapies.  Honestly, I'm getting tired of this.  I
>>>>  didn't think a mental issue would cause the employment to be
>>>> the
>>>>  top priority.  But I can't exactly go along with Rehab and
>>>> their
>>>>  plans.  They pretty much coerced me into doing the work
>>>>  adjustment training, saying that I was "putting the cart before
>>>>  the horse" with college and all.  But most sighted normal
>>>> people
>>>>  go to college and get a major.  What am I supposed to do?
>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>  Beth
>>>>
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