[nabs-l] meeting results and whatto dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege

Joshua Lester jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Sun Jul 22 01:10:47 UTC 2012 

Ashley, your E-mail program is messed up again.
Instead of your name showing up, your E-mail address does.
Thanks, Joshua

On 7/21/12, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi RJ,
>
> Your response compares apples and oranges. In those days when Maurer went to
> school, computers did not exist! they typed on typewriters. Now you have to
> have a computer to turn in any work: papers, homework, take home tests, etc,
> etc. So we need computers; saying that they did it without them is well
> irrelevant because now a days any college has to have a computer to go to
> school. Now does Beth need a mac? I think not because if her windows pc is
> fine and most students use them, then she can too.
>
> To Josh and others saying use a perkins, you cannot do that to turn in work;
> a professor cannot read braille! Lets give realistic advice, people.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>Sent: Jul 21, 2012 3:11 PM
>>To: bookwormahb at earthlink.net, National Association of Blind Students
>> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and
>> whatto	dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>>
>>Ashley, Do you think Dr. Maurer had a computer when he went to law school?
>>
>>What about Dr. Tenbrook? I'm not saying it was easy in college by no
>>means... but I got through it. Computers are great, but what happends when
>>
>>your computer doesn't work any longer? One has to learn how to compensate.
>> I
>>think all these technologies we have is great, but I think we depend on it
>> a
>>bit to much! I think this is something that should be explored with the
>>leaders in the federation, is what was it like when their were no
>> computers.
>>RJ
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:08 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and whatto
>>dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>>
>>
>>> Hi Rj,
>>>
>>> I will Answer Beth's question later. Her situation is complex and she
>>> wants a mac for college; not only that, but she probably feels
>>> discouraged
>>> from it too.
>>> We all struggle  with one thing or another in college. Its tough. I was
>>> overwelmed with the pace and amount of info in college often. I believe
>>> your tone is too harsh.  We  do not know her full situation, nor should
>>> we
>>> discourage her from college.
>>>
>>> Everyone struggles; and many people get on academic  probation. If she
>>> wants to try again, I see no harm in it all. I also sympathize with her
>>> because I struggled with research too; all long complex articles. Most
>>> were pdf files not accessible, not to mention half the time the database
>>>
>>> was not very accessible. I ended up using readers mostly; they could skim
>>>
>>> for relevant info in these very lengthy articles.  Oh and she said books
>>>
>>> were an issue. Its true that the library's vast amount of print
>>> periodicals and books are not accessible. Get a reader, i say. Most stuff
>>>
>>> is electronic, but some great info is not. I wanted to use any sources i
>>>
>>> could. Readers posed a schedule challenge though and were not always
>>> reliable. I definately found papers one of the more challenging aspects
>>> of
>>> college.
>>>
>>> So I urge you not to judge so much and our role is to show how stuff is
>>> done.  Personally, I think she should not fight so much for the mac. I
>>> believe a windows pc will be fine for college. With all those issues with
>>>
>>> rehab, i'd accept a windows computer and go onto school and fight to get
>>>
>>> out of those assessments they want her to do.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>Sent: Jul 21, 2012 11:39 AM
>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
>>>>dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>>>>
>>>>Beth, I have to do research for my doctorate program. I'm doing with out
>>>> a
>>>>mac. I'd like one, but I'm not in need of one right now. That's part of
>>>>college! If you can't do research, and or papers, then you're not
>>>> college
>>>>material. You have these big dreams of being a social worker, but you're
>>>>saying the work is difficult. I'll show you difficult. Try doing a
>>>>doctorate
>>>>level class RJ!
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:14 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
>>>>dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Brandon,
>>>>> I have difficulties with papers and research and stuff.  Research and
>>>>> papers are harder for me to do because books are out off the question
>>>>> and
>>>>> articles like on JSTOR and other databases are in PDF format and can't
>>>>>
>>>>> be
>>>>> downloaded without a steep price.  Whuaft in the world!  That's all
>>>>> that
>>>>> got on my nerves in college.
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:40:49 -0700
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
>>>>> dotogetaworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> That's exactly the goal of rehab. To get you employed. Even if it's at
>>>>> a
>>>>> sheltered workshop. If you work for 6 months, they will close your
>>>>> case.
>>>>> Then they get refunded 75% of your cost from the federal government.
>>>>> That's why you have to be on top of everything, or they will push you
>>>>> around.
>>>>> May I ask, what difficulties were you having before in college?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Beth
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:54 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do
>>>>> togetaworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>>
>>>>> I could, and that's another idea.  I'd go to the library and play
>>>>> with a Mac and do the on screen thingies with Voiceover.  I might
>>>>> talk to Metro's access office sometime Monday.  I think I'll do
>>>>> all that you suggest, and I'll probably have to do it while
>>>>> working.  But the thing is that Rehab would rather tesft my
>>>>> employability skills becauase they're just interested in getting
>>>>> money out of me.  I don't believe they want to see me succeed in
>>>>> the employment I dream about.  They don't think I can handle it
>>>>> because of the bipolar, and if it weren't for mental issues, I'd
>>>>> have the Mac in hand and I'd be writing this email on one.  I'd
>>>>> probablyget one-to-one training.
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:47:07 -0600
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to
>>>>> getaworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>>
>>>>> Beth, Can you apply for a Pell grant? I don't think you need
>>>>> rehab to do this.
>>>>> As for the "proficiency" claims, doesn't someone in rehab
>>>>> understand
>>>>> that you can become more proficient at a technology through
>>>>> practice
>>>>> and training? Proficiency isn't something like blonde hair you
>>>>> either
>>>>> have or don't have when you're born; it's something you can
>>>>> easily
>>>>> build up on.
>>>>> Since the Mac is accessible out of the box, could you possibly go
>>>>> to a
>>>>> library, or back to CCB, or somewhere else where there is a
>>>>> public
>>>>> Mac, and teach yourself the basics of VoiceOver using the
>>>>> on-screen
>>>>> tutorials?
>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/20/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Julie won't help.  They won't get me a Mac because of
>>>>> proficiency.  They don't realize it's maintenance that's keeping
>>>>> me from wanting a PC so much.
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:40:33 -0400
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get
>>>>> aworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>>
>>>>> Beth, What were their reasons for not getting you a mac? Mabie
>>>>> you should
>>>>> talk to July Deeden. RJ
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 5:09 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>>>>> workingcomputerfor college
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 7/20/2012 12:10 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>>>>  I really don't know how the system works in the US so I'm sorry
>>>>> if I
>>>>>  sound completely ignorant, but why do you care so much about
>>>>> what
>>>>>  rehab wants you to do? If you want to go to college can't you
>>>>> apply to
>>>>>  schools just like anyone else?
>>>>>
>>>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Thanks for the link even.  They don't want me to have a Mac
>>>>> because I'm
>>>>>  "not proficient."  They are interpreting even a few keystrokes
>>>>> as "no
>>>>>  proficiency."  I don't know what to say or do at this point
>>>>> because I
>>>>>  want to succeed in college and thi stupid work assessment
>>>>> training, but
>>>>>  whaut they did to me, I don't know whether it should be pointed
>>>>> out or
>>>>>  avenged.
>>>>>  Beth
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>  From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>>>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>  Date sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:21:14 -0700
>>>>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>>>>>  workingcomputerfor college
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hello,
>>>>>  If you graduated high school and got excepted into college, you
>>>>> should
>>>>>  just
>>>>>  go and tell them that you're going and you need this, this and
>>>>> this in
>>>>>  order
>>>>>  to be independent. You need to have a technology assessment by
>>>>> a
>>>>>  professional blind technology person and it's your right to get
>>>>> that
>>>>>  assessment. If your counselor doesn't get you the meeting with
>>>>> the
>>>>>  adaptive
>>>>>  technology professionals, talk to their supervisor. Let the
>>>>> supervisor
>>>>>  know
>>>>>  that your rehab counselor is keeping you from succeeding in
>>>>> college and
>>>>>  if
>>>>>  they want you to pass your classes, you have got to have a
>>>>> computer.
>>>>>  Because
>>>>>  you aren't someone with time to worry about a technology
>>>>> failure, you
>>>>>  really
>>>>>  need an apple computer that will be dependable and has the best
>>>>> support
>>>>>  in
>>>>>  the world.
>>>>>  http://www.apple.com/why-mac/
>>>>>  This is why you need a mac, and you have not had the experience
>>>>> you want
>>>>>  in
>>>>>  college with your PC, so because you want the best, you need to
>>>>> have a
>>>>>  Mac.
>>>>>  First rule of rehab, they want you to do and show what's best
>>>>> for you.
>>>>>  They
>>>>>  will only guide you if you let them. you must be sure, un
>>>>> moving
>>>>> and
>>>>>  firm
>>>>>  that this is what you want and there is nothing better you can
>>>>> have,
>>>>>  even
>>>>>  though there may be things you're uncertain about. Confidence
>>>>> is
>>>>> the key
>>>>>  and
>>>>>  independence is the way.
>>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>  Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>>  From: Beth
>>>>>  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:01 PM
>>>>>  To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>  Subject: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>>>>> working
>>>>>  computerfor college
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi.  The meeting with rehab was unsuuccessful in doing anything
>>>>>  but made me aware of stuff.  They don't want me to have a Mac
>>>>>  because they don't feel I should have one.  I understand they
>>>>>  don't buy macs in Colorado, but my concern about third party
>>>>> apps
>>>>>  fell on deaf ears.  They want me to do a "situational
>>>>> assessment
>>>>>  and work adjustment training."  They found an agency for me to
>>>>>  work at, and they're forcing me to go to mental health group
>>>>> and
>>>>>  counseling therapies.  Honestly, I'm getting tired of this.  I
>>>>>  didn't think a mental issue would cause the employment to be
>>>>> the
>>>>>  top priority.  But I can't exactly go along with Rehab and
>>>>> their
>>>>>  plans.  They pretty much coerced me into doing the work
>>>>>  adjustment training, saying that I was "putting the cart before
>>>>>  the horse" with college and all.  But most sighted normal
>>>>> people
>>>>>  go to college and get a major.  What am I supposed to do?
>>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>>  Beth
>>>>>
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