[nabs-l] meeting results andwhatto dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege

Beth thebluesisloose at gmail.com
Sun Jul 22 02:04:06 UTC 2012


Thanks, Ashley.  I have no idea why anyone would say use a 
Perkinds Brailler or Slate and Stylus to do college work.  That 
just isn't practical.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
To: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>, 
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:57:09 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results andwhatto	
dotogetaworking
computerforcoll
ege

Hi RJ,

Your response compares apples and oranges. In those days when 
Maurer went to school, computers did not exist! they typed on 
typewriters. Now you have to have a computer to turn in any work: 
papers, homework, take home tests, etc, etc. So we need 
computers; saying that they did it without them is well 
irrelevant because now a days any college has to have a computer 
to go to school. Now does Beth need a mac? I think not because if 
her windows pc is fine and most students use them, then she can 
too.

To Josh and others saying use a perkins, you cannot do that to 
turn in work; a professor cannot read braille! Lets give 
realistic advice, people.

Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
Sent: Jul 21, 2012 3:11 PM
To: bookwormahb at earthlink.net, National Association of Blind 
Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and whatto	
dotogetaworking
computerforcoll
ege

Ashley, Do you think Dr. Maurer had a computer when he went to 
law school?
What about Dr. Tenbrook? I'm not saying it was easy in college by 
no
means... but I got through it. Computers are great, but what 
happends when
your computer doesn't work any longer? One has to learn how to 
compensate. I
think all these technologies we have is great, but I think we 
depend on it a
bit to much! I think this is something that should be explored 
with the
leaders in the federation, is what was it like when their were no 
computers.
RJ
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Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and whatto
dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege


 Hi Rj,

 I will Answer Beth's question later. Her situation is complex 
and she
 wants a mac for college; not only that, but she probably feels 
discouraged
 from it too.
 We all struggle  with one thing or another in college. Its 
tough. I was
 overwelmed with the pace and amount of info in college often. I 
believe
 your tone is too harsh.  We  do not know her full situation, nor 
should we
 discourage her from college.

 Everyone struggles; and many people get on academic  probation. 
If she
 wants to try again, I see no harm in it all. I also sympathize 
with her
 because I struggled with research too; all long complex 
articles. Most
 were pdf files not accessible, not to mention half the time the 
database
 was not very accessible. I ended up using readers mostly; they 
could skim
 for relevant info in these very lengthy articles.  Oh and she 
said books
 were an issue. Its true that the library's vast amount of print
 periodicals and books are not accessible. Get a reader, i say. 
Most stuff
 is electronic, but some great info is not. I wanted to use any 
sources i
 could. Readers posed a schedule challenge though and were not 
always
 reliable. I definately found papers one of the more challenging 
aspects of
 college.

 So I urge you not to judge so much and our role is to show how 
stuff is
 done.  Personally, I think she should not fight so much for the 
mac. I
 believe a windows pc will be fine for college. With all those 
issues with
 rehab, i'd accept a windows computer and go onto school and 
fight to get
 out of those assessments they want her to do.

 Ashley
 -----Original Message-----
From: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
Sent: Jul 21, 2012 11:39 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege

Beth, I have to do research for my doctorate program. I'm doing 
with out a
mac. I'd like one, but I'm not in need of one right now. That's 
part of
college! If you can't do research, and or papers, then you're not 
college
material. You have these big dreams of being a social worker, but 
you're
saying the work is difficult. I'll show you difficult. Try doing 
a
doctorate
level class RJ!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege


 Brandon,
 I have difficulties with papers and research and stuff.  
Research and
 papers are harder for me to do because books are out off the 
question
 and
 articles like on JSTOR and other databases are in PDF format and 
can't
 be
 downloaded without a steep price.  Whuaft in the world!  That's 
all that
 got on my nerves in college.
 Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:40:49 -0700
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
 dotogetaworkingcomputerfor college

 Hello,
 That's exactly the goal of rehab. To get you employed. Even if 
it's at a
 sheltered workshop. If you work for 6 months, they will close 
your case.
 Then they get refunded 75% of your cost from the federal 
government.
 That's why you have to be on top of everything, or they will 
push you
 around.
 May I ask, what difficulties were you having before in college?
 Thanks,

 Brandon Keith Biggs
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Beth
 Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:54 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do
 togetaworkingcomputerfor college

 I could, and that's another idea.  I'd go to the library and 
play
 with a Mac and do the on screen thingies with Voiceover.  I 
might
 talk to Metro's access office sometime Monday.  I think I'll do
 all that you suggest, and I'll probably have to do it while
 working.  But the thing is that Rehab would rather tesft my
 employability skills becauase they're just interested in getting
 money out of me.  I don't believe they want to see me succeed in
 the employment I dream about.  They don't think I can handle it
 because of the bipolar, and if it weren't for mental issues, I'd
 have the Mac in hand and I'd be writing this email on one.  I'd
 probablyget one-to-one training.
 Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:47:07 -0600
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to
 getaworkingcomputerfor college

 Beth, Can you apply for a Pell grant? I don't think you need
 rehab to do this.
 As for the "proficiency" claims, doesn't someone in rehab
 understand
 that you can become more proficient at a technology through
 practice
 and training? Proficiency isn't something like blonde hair you
 either
 have or don't have when you're born; it's something you can
 easily
 build up on.
 Since the Mac is accessible out of the box, could you possibly 
go
 to a
 library, or back to CCB, or somewhere else where there is a
 public
 Mac, and teach yourself the basics of VoiceOver using the
 on-screen
 tutorials?
 Arielle

 On 7/20/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
 Julie won't help.  They won't get me a Mac because of
 proficiency.  They don't realize it's maintenance that's keeping
 me from wanting a PC so much.
 Beth

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:40:33 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get
 aworkingcomputerfor college

 Beth, What were their reasons for not getting you a mac? Mabie
 you should
 talk to July Deeden. RJ
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 5:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
 workingcomputerfor college



  On 7/20/2012 12:10 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
  I really don't know how the system works in the US so I'm sorry
 if I
  sound completely ignorant, but why do you care so much about
 what
  rehab wants you to do? If you want to go to college can't you
 apply to
  schools just like anyone else?

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
 wrote:

  Thanks for the link even.  They don't want me to have a Mac
 because I'm
  "not proficient."  They are interpreting even a few keystrokes
 as "no
  proficiency."  I don't know what to say or do at this point
 because I
  want to succeed in college and thi stupid work assessment
 training, but
  whaut they did to me, I don't know whether it should be pointed
 out or
  avenged.
  Beth

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:21:14 -0700
  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
  workingcomputerfor college

  Hello,
  If you graduated high school and got excepted into college, you
 should
  just
  go and tell them that you're going and you need this, this and
 this in
  order
  to be independent. You need to have a technology assessment by
 a
  professional blind technology person and it's your right to get
 that
  assessment. If your counselor doesn't get you the meeting with
 the
  adaptive
  technology professionals, talk to their supervisor. Let the
 supervisor
  know
  that your rehab counselor is keeping you from succeeding in
 college and
  if
  they want you to pass your classes, you have got to have a
 computer.
  Because
  you aren't someone with time to worry about a technology
 failure, you
  really
  need an apple computer that will be dependable and has the best
 support
  in
  the world.
  http://www.apple.com/why-mac/
  This is why you need a mac, and you have not had the experience
 you want
  in
  college with your PC, so because you want the best, you need to
 have a
  Mac.
  First rule of rehab, they want you to do and show what's best
 for you.
  They
  will only guide you if you let them. you must be sure, un
 moving
 and
  firm
  that this is what you want and there is nothing better you can
 have,
  even
  though there may be things you're uncertain about. Confidence
 is
 the key
  and
  independence is the way.
  Thanks,

  Brandon Keith Biggs
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Beth
  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:01 PM
  To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  Subject: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
 working
  computerfor college

  Hi.  The meeting with rehab was unsuuccessful in doing anything
  but made me aware of stuff.  They don't want me to have a Mac
  because they don't feel I should have one.  I understand they
  don't buy macs in Colorado, but my concern about third party
 apps
  fell on deaf ears.  They want me to do a "situational
 assessment
  and work adjustment training."  They found an agency for me to
  work at, and they're forcing me to go to mental health group
 and
  counseling therapies.  Honestly, I'm getting tired of this.  I
  didn't think a mental issue would cause the employment to be
 the
  top priority.  But I can't exactly go along with Rehab and
 their
  plans.  They pretty much coerced me into doing the work
  adjustment training, saying that I was "putting the cart before
  the horse" with college and all.  But most sighted normal
 people
  go to college and get a major.  What am I supposed to do?
  Thanks,
  Beth

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