[nabs-l] meeting results andwhatto dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
Joshua Lester
jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Sun Jul 22 02:11:01 UTC 2012
Ashley, here's a day in my college life!
I don't have a note taker, and since I don't have a very good computer
in my room at the college, this is what I have to do.
I have to do my work, on the Perkins Brailler, then read it to a
work-study who puts it into print, and then I turn the work in to the
instructor.
That's how I have to handle things, because like Beth my rehab
counselor is a devil, and isn't cooperating!
Blessings, Joshua
On 7/21/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Ashley. I have no idea why anyone would say use a
> Perkinds Brailler or Slate and Stylus to do college work. That
> just isn't practical.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>,
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:57:09 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results andwhatto
> dotogetaworking
> computerforcoll
> ege
>
> Hi RJ,
>
> Your response compares apples and oranges. In those days when
> Maurer went to school, computers did not exist! they typed on
> typewriters. Now you have to have a computer to turn in any work:
> papers, homework, take home tests, etc, etc. So we need
> computers; saying that they did it without them is well
> irrelevant because now a days any college has to have a computer
> to go to school. Now does Beth need a mac? I think not because if
> her windows pc is fine and most students use them, then she can
> too.
>
> To Josh and others saying use a perkins, you cannot do that to
> turn in work; a professor cannot read braille! Lets give
> realistic advice, people.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
> Sent: Jul 21, 2012 3:11 PM
> To: bookwormahb at earthlink.net, National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and whatto
> dotogetaworking
> computerforcoll
> ege
>
> Ashley, Do you think Dr. Maurer had a computer when he went to
> law school?
> What about Dr. Tenbrook? I'm not saying it was easy in college by
> no
> means... but I got through it. Computers are great, but what
> happends when
> your computer doesn't work any longer? One has to learn how to
> compensate. I
> think all these technologies we have is great, but I think we
> depend on it a
> bit to much! I think this is something that should be explored
> with the
> leaders in the federation, is what was it like when their were no
> computers.
> RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and whatto
> dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>
>
> Hi Rj,
>
> I will Answer Beth's question later. Her situation is complex
> and she
> wants a mac for college; not only that, but she probably feels
> discouraged
> from it too.
> We all struggle with one thing or another in college. Its
> tough. I was
> overwelmed with the pace and amount of info in college often. I
> believe
> your tone is too harsh. We do not know her full situation, nor
> should we
> discourage her from college.
>
> Everyone struggles; and many people get on academic probation.
> If she
> wants to try again, I see no harm in it all. I also sympathize
> with her
> because I struggled with research too; all long complex
> articles. Most
> were pdf files not accessible, not to mention half the time the
> database
> was not very accessible. I ended up using readers mostly; they
> could skim
> for relevant info in these very lengthy articles. Oh and she
> said books
> were an issue. Its true that the library's vast amount of print
> periodicals and books are not accessible. Get a reader, i say.
> Most stuff
> is electronic, but some great info is not. I wanted to use any
> sources i
> could. Readers posed a schedule challenge though and were not
> always
> reliable. I definately found papers one of the more challenging
> aspects of
> college.
>
> So I urge you not to judge so much and our role is to show how
> stuff is
> done. Personally, I think she should not fight so much for the
> mac. I
> believe a windows pc will be fine for college. With all those
> issues with
> rehab, i'd accept a windows computer and go onto school and
> fight to get
> out of those assessments they want her to do.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
> Sent: Jul 21, 2012 11:39 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
> dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>
> Beth, I have to do research for my doctorate program. I'm doing
> with out a
> mac. I'd like one, but I'm not in need of one right now. That's
> part of
> college! If you can't do research, and or papers, then you're not
> college
> material. You have these big dreams of being a social worker, but
> you're
> saying the work is difficult. I'll show you difficult. Try doing
> a
> doctorate
> level class RJ!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
> dotogetaworkingcomputerforcollege
>
>
> Brandon,
> I have difficulties with papers and research and stuff.
> Research and
> papers are harder for me to do because books are out off the
> question
> and
> articles like on JSTOR and other databases are in PDF format and
> can't
> be
> downloaded without a steep price. Whuaft in the world! That's
> all that
> got on my nerves in college.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:40:49 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to
> dotogetaworkingcomputerfor college
>
> Hello,
> That's exactly the goal of rehab. To get you employed. Even if
> it's at a
> sheltered workshop. If you work for 6 months, they will close
> your case.
> Then they get refunded 75% of your cost from the federal
> government.
> That's why you have to be on top of everything, or they will
> push you
> around.
> May I ask, what difficulties were you having before in college?
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 6:54 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do
> togetaworkingcomputerfor college
>
> I could, and that's another idea. I'd go to the library and
> play
> with a Mac and do the on screen thingies with Voiceover. I
> might
> talk to Metro's access office sometime Monday. I think I'll do
> all that you suggest, and I'll probably have to do it while
> working. But the thing is that Rehab would rather tesft my
> employability skills becauase they're just interested in getting
> money out of me. I don't believe they want to see me succeed in
> the employment I dream about. They don't think I can handle it
> because of the bipolar, and if it weren't for mental issues, I'd
> have the Mac in hand and I'd be writing this email on one. I'd
> probablyget one-to-one training.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:47:07 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to
> getaworkingcomputerfor college
>
> Beth, Can you apply for a Pell grant? I don't think you need
> rehab to do this.
> As for the "proficiency" claims, doesn't someone in rehab
> understand
> that you can become more proficient at a technology through
> practice
> and training? Proficiency isn't something like blonde hair you
> either
> have or don't have when you're born; it's something you can
> easily
> build up on.
> Since the Mac is accessible out of the box, could you possibly
> go
> to a
> library, or back to CCB, or somewhere else where there is a
> public
> Mac, and teach yourself the basics of VoiceOver using the
> on-screen
> tutorials?
> Arielle
>
> On 7/20/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Julie won't help. They won't get me a Mac because of
> proficiency. They don't realize it's maintenance that's keeping
> me from wanting a PC so much.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:40:33 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get
> aworkingcomputerfor college
>
> Beth, What were their reasons for not getting you a mac? Mabie
> you should
> talk to July Deeden. RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 5:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
> workingcomputerfor college
>
>
>
> On 7/20/2012 12:10 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
> I really don't know how the system works in the US so I'm sorry
> if I
> sound completely ignorant, but why do you care so much about
> what
> rehab wants you to do? If you want to go to college can't you
> apply to
> schools just like anyone else?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the link even. They don't want me to have a Mac
> because I'm
> "not proficient." They are interpreting even a few keystrokes
> as "no
> proficiency." I don't know what to say or do at this point
> because I
> want to succeed in college and thi stupid work assessment
> training, but
> whaut they did to me, I don't know whether it should be pointed
> out or
> avenged.
> Beth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:21:14 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
> workingcomputerfor college
>
> Hello,
> If you graduated high school and got excepted into college, you
> should
> just
> go and tell them that you're going and you need this, this and
> this in
> order
> to be independent. You need to have a technology assessment by
> a
> professional blind technology person and it's your right to get
> that
> assessment. If your counselor doesn't get you the meeting with
> the
> adaptive
> technology professionals, talk to their supervisor. Let the
> supervisor
> know
> that your rehab counselor is keeping you from succeeding in
> college and
> if
> they want you to pass your classes, you have got to have a
> computer.
> Because
> you aren't someone with time to worry about a technology
> failure, you
> really
> need an apple computer that will be dependable and has the best
> support
> in
> the world.
> http://www.apple.com/why-mac/
> This is why you need a mac, and you have not had the experience
> you want
> in
> college with your PC, so because you want the best, you need to
> have a
> Mac.
> First rule of rehab, they want you to do and show what's best
> for you.
> They
> will only guide you if you let them. you must be sure, un
> moving
> and
> firm
> that this is what you want and there is nothing better you can
> have,
> even
> though there may be things you're uncertain about. Confidence
> is
> the key
> and
> independence is the way.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beth
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:01 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
> working
> computerfor college
>
> Hi. The meeting with rehab was unsuuccessful in doing anything
> but made me aware of stuff. They don't want me to have a Mac
> because they don't feel I should have one. I understand they
> don't buy macs in Colorado, but my concern about third party
> apps
> fell on deaf ears. They want me to do a "situational
> assessment
> and work adjustment training." They found an agency for me to
> work at, and they're forcing me to go to mental health group
> and
> counseling therapies. Honestly, I'm getting tired of this. I
> didn't think a mental issue would cause the employment to be
> the
> top priority. But I can't exactly go along with Rehab and
> their
> plans. They pretty much coerced me into doing the work
> adjustment training, saying that I was "putting the cart before
> the horse" with college and all. But most sighted normal
> people
> go to college and get a major. What am I supposed to do?
> Thanks,
> Beth
>
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