[nabs-l] Philosophical Homogeneity

Tue Jul 24 01:00:39 UTC 2012

Kert:
I'm not part of the nFB, for other reasons, but my two cents anyway.
I think you should center things on what you believe. If you don't 
believe something is good, and you talk to people about it, by all means 
resign your position. You shouldn't let it stop you from getting 
involved though. You will always end up having to choose whether or not 
to stand for what you believe. It's your choice when and how you do it, 
but I wouldn't let it stop you from doing what you want. As you said, 
just don't go with the "confederation is my refuge" deal and you won't 
lose all hope.
On 7/23/2012 6:44 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:
> Arielle, Jedi and all,
>    I've taken the liberty to do a bit more research, and I'm torn.  On
> the one hand, I absolutely respect the work done by the Federation;
> it's necessary, it's important and, within the xontext of the rest of
> my life, I want to be involved.  (I've seen people whose lives almost
> become the Federation and I sure as hell don't want that!)
> Furthermore, I have no current qualms with NFB policy large enough for
> me to be compelled to publicly speak out against the organization.
> But it's possible, and I don't want to be in the position where I feel
> like I'm voilating a virtual contract of membership by speaking my
> mind.
>    Some people have told me that, if I'm so committed to the principal
> of speaking my mind, whenever I feel inspired to do so, I oughtn't
> join the organization because, should I choose to stay actively
> involved as a member, my freedom to raise my voice could be impeded.
> I see their point.  Still, others tell me that I shouldn't worry about
> hypotheticals and only deal with that moral dilemma if it turns in to
> a real issue.  As I said, right now, there are no policies of the
> organization that I disagree with enough to publicly oppose but it
> could happen.  I'm wondering if I should just worry about that only if
> I need to and devote myself to the problems at hand right now?  I'd
> just hate to put myself in the situation where, years down, I might
> have to walk away from the NFB  or possibly resign from a leadership
> position if the organization's policies compell me to do so.
> Thoughts, anyone?
>    Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 7/21/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Kurt, Jedi and all,
>> If you pay your $5 dues to NABS and become a voting member, and/or
>> seek office, you are in fact a member of the NFB for a year following
>> your dues payment. This is because NABS is an integral part of the
>> NFB. So Kurt, in your case you would have been a member last year. I
>> don't, however, know if you chose to repay your dues at convention
>> this year. Either way, I respect your decision and appreciate your
>> continued contributions to our list.
>> I have stated before that I believe there are many ways to contribute
>> to the NFB's work, and being an official, pledge-abiding member is but
>> one of them. Even among members, there are multiple levels of
>> membership--local, state and national--and several levels of
>> involvement we can choose to have or not have.
>> I will state candidly here that I have recently developed some
>> disagreements with the way that NFB handles its national politics, and
>> I wish that elections, resolutions and other organizational matters
>> were handled in a way that more closely resembles the way the United
>> States constitution operates. I would like to see more room given for
>> opposition and debate beyond the convention floor on resolution day.
>> In full disclosure, this is part of the reason why I chose not to seek
>> a second term as NABS president and instead decided to focus my NFB
>> efforts to my local chapter and to behind-the-scenes activities like
>> posting on this list. However, I will leave it at that and will not
>> violate the NFB pledge by discussing my specific grievances in a
>> public forum or anywhere else outside the NFB. This is because I think
>> the empowerment and inspiration the NFB gives to blind people is more
>> important to protect than are my ideals about democratic leadership,
>> and I'm willing to let go of the things I don't agree with in order to
>> help blind people in the ways where I have the most to offer. However,
>> this is just my personal approach to the situation. I can completely
>> empathize with those of you who choose not to join because of the NFB
>> pledge or anything else about the organization you find distasteful. I
>> believe that even without joining and unofficially signing on to the
>> pledge, there are things you can do to further the NFB philosophy and
>> collective goals--by writing on this list, by offering mentoring and
>> resources to blind people in your area, and even just by living your
>> life and educating the public along the way.
>> Best,
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 7/21/12, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:
>>> Kirt,
>>>
>>> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you join NABS? Didn't you,
>>> at one point, seek national office in NABS? If this is the case, you
>>> might want to know that joining NABS, let alone serving as a national
>>> officer, means that you have joined the NFB. Or least, that is how I
>>> read the NABS constitution. For those NABS constitution scholars out
>>> there, is that the case? And if you have unknowingly joined the NFB
>>> Kirt, that also means that you have also signed the pledge. Ah, those
>>> dubious NFB-ers! *kidding* In all seriousness though, and provided I'm
>>> correct in my understanding, it may be helpful information to you,
>>> Kirt, and everyone, in order to engage in a manner congruent to your
>>> beliefs.
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Jedi
>>> Original message:
>>>> Julie,
>>>>    Yes, there is debate within the federation and, yes, I'm glad for
>>>> it.  But the point is, were I to sign on to the NFB pledge, I would be
>>>> limiting myself to keeping that debate within the federation.  That's
>>>> something I just can not do.
>>>>    And another thing.  You said some of the resolutions at this last
>>>> convention were fairly close, and by NFB standards they were.  But,
>>>> even the closest resolution ended up passing the role call of states
>>>> with something like a 35-15 margin.  If that kind of margin were seen
>>>> in, say, an election for political office, what you called "fairly
>>>> clos" would be considered a landslide.  I'm not saying that's right or
>>>> wrong, I'm just saying that's the way it is.
>>>>    Best,
>>>> Kirt
>>>> On 7/20/12, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> While I understand the reluctance to speak up against a stance the
>>>>> organization has taken, I believe that the organization cannot grow
>>>>> and change if this does not happen.  This is why we let people have a
>>>>> voice on these lists and at board meetings, so that each person can be
>>>>> heard, even if they disagree with the majority.  One person can
>>>>> influence many others.  Think about the debate over some of those
>>>>> resolutions.  I listened to the different points of view on a couple
>>>>> of them before casting my vote, and some of those votes were rather
>>>>> close.
>>>>> We need people in the NFB who are willing to give us different ways of
>>>>> looking at things, even (especially) when they do not fit the  typical
>>>>> mold we are used to.  I believe in the positive philosophy of
>>>>> blindness, but I'm not going to say that there is only one way to
>>>>> implement this philosophy.  So if you disagree with the majority on an
>>>>> issue, let your voice be heard, so that you can change the current
>>>>> position.  I have questioned things within the NFB before, and in
>>>>> discussing my issues, I have learned a lot about why things are the
>>>>> way they are.  We can't lose the ones who disagree with us on any
>>>>> given issue because if we do, the democratic process wouldn't work.
>>>>> There would be no debate, no majority or minority.  That would be
>>>>> extremely boring and would not make a good organization.
>>>>> On 7/20/12, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Justin,
>>>>>>    Sometimes I wish it were as simple as you're making it out to be.
>>>>>> While I am not denying that individual Federationists can (and do)
>>>>>> have widely differing opinions, when you become a fully participating
>>>>>> member in the Federation you are agreeing, in essence, to keep those
>>>>>> disagreements within the Federation and to abide by the policies and
>>>>>> programs of the Federation, even when you personally disagree.  That's
>>>>>> why I'm uncomfortable with organized religion; that's why, for all my
>>>>>> admiration and agreement with most of what the Federation does, I hold
>>>>>> myself back from full participation.  To illustrate, I will copy and
>>>>>> paste a copy of the NFB pledge I found in the braille monitor.
>>>>>>   "I pledge to participate actively in the effort of the National
>>>>>> Federation of the Blind to achieve equality, opportunity, and security
>>>>>> for the blind; to
>>>>>> support the policies and programs of the Federation; and to abide by
>>>>>> its constitution."
>>>>>>    I can not in good faith sign on to such a pledge as it binds me to
>>>>>> support the programs of the Federation, even in those rare instances
>>>>>> when I don't want to.  If I disagree with the course the Federation
>>>>>> takes on a particular issue, I can not voice that disagreement
>>>>>> publicly outside the Federation.  At best, I can stay under the radar
>>>>>> by not making my opposition to such and such a policy widely known
>>>>>> outside the Federation.  People can, and have, been expelled from the
>>>>>> Federation for loudly voicing their disagreement in public.
>>>>>>    No, before you ask, I can't really think of one particular issue on
>>>>>> which I passionately disagree with the NFB's position.  Certainly
>>>>>> right now I have no personal opinion diverging enough from the NFB's
>>>>>> official stance to compel me to public opposition.  But it could
>>>>>> happen, and I refuse to sign away my right to free expression,
>>>>>> wherever I chose, in the event it becomes an issue.  I agree with
>>>>>> about 90 percent of commonly held NFB philosophy, and that's enough
>>>>>> for me to get involved and participate as much as I can without
>>>>>> signing on to that pledge.  It's kind of a complicated issue, and I
>>>>>> see it as far less black and white than you've made it out to be.  Of
>>>>>> course, that is totally my opinion, and I don't intend for this to
>>>>>> sound like a personal attack in the slightest.  If I'm entitled to my
>>>>>> beliefs, you're certainly entitled to yours.
>>>>>>    Best,
>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>> On 7/20/12, Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear List,
>>>>>>> There are always different opinions in our organization.  If you've
>>>>>>> met
>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>> or three Federationists-or ACB people, for that matter-with strong
>>>>>>> opinions
>>>>>>> in any direction, that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
>>>>>>> We do not shun people who disagree with our national leadership.
>>>>>>> I am always willing to discuss what we're doing.
>>>>>>> I make decisions because of my core beliefs and not just because
>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>> from Baltimore told me what to do.
>>>>>>> At the end of the day, after a vote, the answer is "yes" or "no," but
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> doesn't mean that every single member voted "yes" or every single
>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>> voted "no."  We organizationally adopt the position of the majority
>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>> About closet Federationism: We'd love to have you active in our
>>>>>>> organization
>>>>>>> because actively supporting our efforts helps us accomplish our goals
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> more than quietly supporting us.  If we all sat in our closets and
>>>>>>> let
>>>>>>> everyone else do the work, we wouldn't live in the wonderful world
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> active members have worked so hard to create for us.  In fact, we
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> even have closets in which to sit.
>>>>>>> In an earlier post, I used organized religion to illustrate the
>>>>>>> certain
>>>>>>> absence of philosophical homogeneity, and that was really the only
>>>>>>> tie
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> mentioning or even implying with religion.  I understand that some
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> are very uncomfortable with the concept of organized religion-as I
>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>> was-and wished not to make anyone uncomfortable.
>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>> Justin M. Salisbury
>>>>>>> Class of 2012
>>>>>>> B.A. in Mathematics
>>>>>>> East Carolina University
>>>>>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu
>>>>>>> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>> the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”    —MARGARET
>>>>>>> MEAD
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Julie McG
>>>>>   Lindbergh High School class of 2009, National Federation of the Blind
>>>>> of Missouri recording secretary,
>>>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
>>>>> and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind
>>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>>>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>>>>> life."
>>>>> John 3:16
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