[nabs-l] why I want a mac

[David Andrews]

OK everybody, let up on Beth, don't use judgmental words like 
whining.  People have adequately made the point that she needs to 
write a better justification -- leave it at that.

David Andrews, List Owner

At 11:27 AM 7/24/2012, you wrote:
>I'm no councilor, but I've figured out, that justification is 
>emportant. If Beth wants a Mac so bad, she needs to stop wining, and 
>work toward getting one herself! My father taught me from the time I 
>was born the value of work! That's why I am living in my own home, 
>which I helped my parents build along with my sister! How do you 
>think Gernigan and Maurer got to where theywere? I'm sorry, but 
>enough is enough! You got training from CCB, use it! RJ
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com>
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] why I want a mac
>
>
>>Ashly,
>>I don't want to be mean, but coming out and saying what needs to be 
>>said should be good. Granted I may as well be talking to a wall at 
>>this point, since she is stuck on the mac and the reasons for it 
>>keep changing, but whatever.
>>
>>As for parents being required to help blind people, they already 
>>do. My brother got his car for $800 or so. Maybe he had help, I 
>>honestly have no clue. But part of the money he put in. Unless 
>>parents are dropping 10+k on a car, justifying "I need a braille 
>>note because joe got a car," doesn't quite work. Your braille note 
>>costed at least 5 times more than a reliable car did, not to mention your pc.
>>On 7/24/2012 9:06 AM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>>Tyler,
>>>While I agree Beth needs to comprimise, I also think perhaps we 
>>>should be supportive.
>>>A lot of people struggle getting what they need through rehab. I 
>>>said pretty much the same thing as you, without being blunt.
>>>I wonder, has anyone had rehab purchase a mac? I still have over 
>>>50 messages to read on the rehab thread,
>>>but I don't think any nabster has come forward and said rehab got 
>>>them a mac.
>>>I say this  to point out that many people like macs for various 
>>>reasons, but rehab did
>>>not get them one.
>>>
>>>Anyway, Beth, I'd suggest you justify that and if you cannot, then 
>>>get a pc through them.
>>>At this point, it sounds like you'd be lucky for them to pay for 
>>>college a third time for you.
>>>I'd be thankful if they paid for college and get a  mac through other means.
>>>
>>>You know all, as a side note this is why parents IMO should get 
>>>equipment for students. Some cannot afford it I know. But it seems 
>>>to me parents should buy more equipment for blind children rather 
>>>than relying on the government for it!  Its part of being a 
>>>supportive parent. Parents get sighted kids cars, car insurance, 
>>>many visual entertainment games including the wii and playstation, 
>>>computers, computer accessories, and more. Yet blind children do 
>>>not get computers and the software to run them. Something is wrong 
>>>with this picture. BTW, my parents bought my pc, but not my 
>>>braille note. So they did share some of the cost of buying 
>>>equipment and sending me to school which is part of rasing a kid.
>>>
>>>Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message----- From: Littlefield, Tyler
>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 10:36 AM
>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] why I want a mac
>>>
>>>It really sounds like you're just trying to jump on the mac band waggon.
>>>Great, "universal" accessibility. Now call apple and ask a voiceover
>>>question. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It sounds like
>>>you're changing your mind as to why you want it, which is fine I guess,
>>>but you really need to figure out why it is you need a mac. You get good
>>>tech support from a lot of companies that sell pcs too, so that's out as
>>>well.
>>>
>>>Basically here's what this comes down to.
>>>You can keep complaining about dvr and not getting a mac. You've said
>>>you failed college twice already, and they won't put you through it
>>>again. At this point, you need to accept whatever you can get,
>>>compromize and work with them. Going in requesting a $1500 system and
>>>holding to it when they already have issues about putting you through
>>>school for the third time isn't going to get you anywhere. It's all your
>>>choice, just wanted to throw all that out there.
>>>On 7/24/2012 3:13 AM, Beth wrote:
>>>>Hi, all.
>>>>To explain why I would like a Mac is simple: universal 
>>>>accessibility integrated into the product.  Also, I really want 
>>>>something with good tech support.  The tech support people from 
>>>>India sometimes don't speak good English, and given the 
>>>>demographics of india and its people, blindness is not thought to 
>>>>be a good thing in India.  So if I said, "Whuat do I do because 
>>>>JAWs isn't working?"  They'll have no answer for me. That's all I 
>>>>can say.  There are other reasons I want a mac, and I want to be 
>>>>able to use one so bad.
>>>>Beth
>>>>
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>>
>>
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>>Ty
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