[nabs-l] meeting results and what to dotogetaworkingcomputerfor college

RJ Sandefur joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
Wed Jul 25 01:09:46 UTC 2012 

The Mac Minni is 599 dollars. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Desiree Oudinot" <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to dotogetaworkingcomputerfor 
college


> Hi Joshua,
> I thought of that, but there's nothing in the music field that I would
> really want to do. I certainly would not want to be a music teacher.
> For one thing, with the experiences I've had with teachers, and seeing
> how much teachers have to bend over backwards to meet the government's
> standards and do nothing more or less, I would never feel right in
> that field. I thought about being a deejay, but I wouldn't feel
> comfortable having to rotate the same top 40. Plus, I'm not quick with
> witty responses and things as radio personalities have to be to keep
> things interesting. If you didn't have to be totally limited to
> playing a specific set of songs no matter what station you worked at,
> and if you didn't have to make this ridiculous schedule where you only
> can talk for 20 seconds before a commercial break and have to make
> your playlists a day in advance, I would think about it. I'm one of
> those people who has a huge appreciation for music, and an equally
> large collection spanning all different genres. Limiting myself that
> way would be suffocating. I do know a bit about working in a radio
> station. When I was 16, I actually worked at one of those reading
> services for the blind. My responsibility was to make sure the
> controls were operating properly, switch the mics over when someone
> was reading, and to play tapes with tv guides and special features and
> things. When I had the floor, so to speak, I had anywhere from 20-30
> seconds to announce what would be coming next before commercials would
> be automatically broadcast. I found that I always cut it too close or
> cut off the beginning of the first commercial altogether because, as I
> said, I'm not good at thinking fast.
> Other than being a musician, which IMO doesn't require a college
> education, though I suppose it wouldn't hurt to have one for that
> purpose either, I can't think of any music-related professions. I
> appreciate the suggestion, though.
>
> On 7/24/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> Hi, Desiree.
>> You told me in an E-mail, that you sang in choirs during your school
>> years, and you also play the guitar.
>> Why not major in music?
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 7/24/12, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Desiree,
>>> I don't want to say anything about your particular case because as you
>>> said wwe don't know you and I'm sure you've been through a lot. But
>>> please don't keep this idea  of college being some sort of zoo filled
>>> with wild violent students. I guess there are many colleges in many
>>> places, but most universities aren't like that and actually provide
>>> you with enough resources to do well, even if you didn't receive the
>>> best high school education. If you pick a major that's not related to
>>> math you really won't have much trouble, because believe it or not you
>>> won't be expected to know much about math when taking whatever low
>>> level cclass that they require everyone to take.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Tyler, I can't be offended by your post. You don't know me, so you
>>>> don't really know why it was that no one ever respected me. It's
>>>> easier to assume that it was my own fault because you weren't there,
>>>> so I'll let that slide. Also, what I meant about people being
>>>> privileged was that some people don't go to college because they want
>>>> to be there, they go on a sports scholarship, which in their minds
>>>> gives them a license to be jerks. Some are pressured into picking a
>>>> specific major by their parents, and the parents pay for them to go.
>>>> They end up miserable. Some get other scholarships and just party
>>>> their lives away. It's all one big game to them. All I'm saying is
>>>> that the argument of college kids being more mature than high school
>>>> kids doesn't work with me. As a general rule, you're going to have
>>>> immature people everywhere you go, that's life. But I know that in
>>>> college, people are being let out of their cages. They're roaring and
>>>> stomping their way through campus, tearing it up and having a grand
>>>> old time because it's the first time they've been away from home. No
>>>> parents to tell them who they can and cannot be friends with. Nobody
>>>> saying they can't order pizza every night. No one to stop them from
>>>> sleeping with someone. It would make anybody crazy, I guess, if they
>>>> didn't know how to get a grip on their desires, and let's face it, we
>>>> live in a society that's centered on instant gratification.
>>>> One thing I will say though was that in grade school, you really don't
>>>> know how to advocate for yourself. When the teachers and kids were
>>>> treating me horribly, what was a scared 7 or 8-year-old kid supposed
>>>> to do about it? Yeah, I could have beaten those kids up and showed
>>>> them blind people aren't helpless, but I was pretty passive back then.
>>>> I'm not proud of that, but the past is the past.
>>>> As for my high school days, after I got out of middle school I
>>>> actually went to a school for the blind to complete my education. Oh,
>>>> the stories I could tell! But I won't, because I don't think Google
>>>> indexing them would be a good idea. What I will say though is that I
>>>> know I suffered academically. I wasn't receiving the same education
>>>> that I know my sighted peers were. So I feel very unprepared for
>>>> college. I never heard of academic probation in my life until reading
>>>> this thread, but it sure sounds scary. Sounds like the shady side of
>>>> the law, or if not that, a sure way to fail every job interview as
>>>> well. Also, rehab only pays for college if you take 12 credits worth
>>>> of classes. I think that would probably be overwhelming to me. I don't
>>>> want to fail and find out exactly what academic probation entails.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/24/12, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> Beth,
>>>>> Why don't you find out? Talk to your financial aid office at the
>>>>> college
>>>>> you'll go to and talk to an academic advisor. They should be able to
>>>>> tell
>>>>> you if you can qualify for pell grants with your academic situation.
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Beth
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 8:16 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do
>>>>> togetaworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if I qualify because I'm on academic probation due
>>>>> to the failures of previous times in college.  What happens to
>>>>> people on academic probation and financial stuff with that sort
>>>>> of thing?
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:53:44 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to
>>>>> getaworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, do you not qualify for Pell grants?
>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/20/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Exactly my point.  I can't afford school with SSI only and the
>>>>> loans aren't worth crap.  Even with Obama's little forgivenes
>>>>> plan on loans, it's still not worth a lick to pay the darn
>>>>> things
>>>>> back.
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:10:44 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get
>>>>> aworkingcomputerfor college
>>>>>
>>>>> The basic answer to your question is yes, a person can just go.
>>>>> But ...
>>>>> if you are a client of rehab, have an approved plan, etc., then
>>>>> they pay
>>>>> for stuff.  So, she may need to get rehab's approval for
>>>>> financial reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/20/2012 12:10 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>>>>  I really don't know how the system works in the US so I'm sorry
>>>>> if I
>>>>>  sound completely ignorant, but why do you care so much about
>>>>> what
>>>>>  rehab wants you to do? If you want to go to college can't you
>>>>> apply to
>>>>>  schools just like anyone else?
>>>>>
>>>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Thanks for the link even.  They don't want me to have a Mac
>>>>> because I'm "not proficient."  They are interpreting even a few
>>>>> keystrokes as "no proficiency."  I don't know what to say or do
>>>>> at this point because I want to succeed in college and thi
>>>>> stupid
>>>>> work assessment training, but whaut they did to me, I don't know
>>>>> whether it should be pointed out or avenged.
>>>>>  Beth
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>  From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>>>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>  Date sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:21:14 -0700
>>>>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>>>>> workingcomputerfor college
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hello,
>>>>>  If you graduated high school and got excepted into college, you
>>>>> should just
>>>>>  go and tell them that you're going and you need this, this and
>>>>> this in order
>>>>>  to be independent. You need to have a technology assessment by
>>>>> a
>>>>>  professional blind technology person and it's your right to get
>>>>> that
>>>>>  assessment. If your counselor doesn't get you the meeting with
>>>>> the adaptive
>>>>>  technology professionals, talk to their supervisor. Let the
>>>>> supervisor know
>>>>>  that your rehab counselor is keeping you from succeeding in
>>>>> college and if
>>>>>  they want you to pass your classes, you have got to have a
>>>>> computer. Because
>>>>>  you aren't someone with time to worry about a technology
>>>>> failure, you really
>>>>>  need an apple computer that will be dependable and has the best
>>>>> support in
>>>>>  the world.
>>>>>  http://www.apple.com/why-mac/
>>>>>  This is why you need a mac, and you have not had the experience
>>>>> you want in
>>>>>  college with your PC, so because you want the best, you need to
>>>>> have a Mac.
>>>>>  First rule of rehab, they want you to do and show what's best
>>>>> for you. They
>>>>>  will only guide you if you let them. you must be sure, un
>>>>> moving
>>>>> and firm
>>>>>  that this is what you want and there is nothing better you can
>>>>> have, even
>>>>>  though there may be things you're uncertain about. Confidence
>>>>> is
>>>>> the key and
>>>>>  independence is the way.
>>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>  Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>>  From: Beth
>>>>>  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:01 PM
>>>>>  To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>  Subject: [nabs-l] meeting results and what to do to get a
>>>>> working
>>>>>  computerfor college
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi.  The meeting with rehab was unsuuccessful in doing anything
>>>>>  but made me aware of stuff.  They don't want me to have a Mac
>>>>>  because they don't feel I should have one.  I understand they
>>>>>  don't buy macs in Colorado, but my concern about third party
>>>>> apps
>>>>>  fell on deaf ears.  They want me to do a "situational
>>>>> assessment
>>>>>  and work adjustment training."  They found an agency for me to
>>>>>  work at, and they're forcing me to go to mental health group
>>>>> and
>>>>>  counseling therapies.  Honestly, I'm getting tired of this.  I
>>>>>  didn't think a mental issue would cause the employment to be
>>>>> the
>>>>>  top priority.  But I can't exactly go along with Rehab and
>>>>> their
>>>>>  plans.  They pretty much coerced me into doing the work
>>>>>  adjustment training, saying that I was "putting the cart before
>>>>>  the horse" with college and all.  But most sighted normal
>>>>> people
>>>>>  go to college and get a major.  What am I supposed to do?
>>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>>  Beth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Follow me on Twitter @dandrews920
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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