[nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision

Mon Mar 26 02:23:54 UTC 2012

Josh,

I do part time at a commercial station already!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision


> Hi, Brian.
> I know plenty of blind women, who are endependent!
> Didn't you say in a previous post, that you were an aspiring DJ?
> Why not try to apply to work for this station?
> http://www.wics.cc
> The owner of this station, is an endependent blind woman!
> Please try to show more compassion!
> Thanks, Desiree, for the great post!
> I'm in agreement with you!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 3/25/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>> In my experiences with visually handicapped women most of them I've
>> encountered that are at my age level are uneducated and still living 
>> under
>> their parents roof.  My rule is that any woman I date should be on the 
>> same
>> level both chronologically and mentally as I am.  I've graduated college 
>> and
>> have been on my own since 2003. I am very independent.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jeff crouch" <jeffanel at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>
>>
>>> Yeah, I would like to try dating a VI Girl, just to see what it would
>>> be like, But unfornchely their is no one hear in flint.
>>>
>>> On 3/25/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> Me neither.  But I am just warning Jeff to be careful.  Back then when 
>>>> I
>>>> went on dates I enjoyed myself very much. But I noticed during the High
>>>> School years most girls weren't as accepting of me and I had more luck
>>>> with
>>>> dating during college than high school.  But again during the few times 
>>>> I
>>>> dated as a teen I had fun.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 9:43 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I don't see anything wrong with dating during high school. It was 
>>>>>fun!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Brian Hatgelakas
>>>>> <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> @Jeff my advice to you is wait until college to start dating. I did
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> and am very happy I did.    By doing this the women by the time you
>>>>>> enter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> college will be much more mature and accepting of your blindness
>>>>>> situation. Right now as a teenager make friends and don't get caught 
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> in something you know won't last.  Because at your age its mostly
>>>>>> figuring out who you are and that's the same for girls.  Good luck in
>>>>>> your studies and don't worry as you get older your chance to date 
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hear before you know it.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff crouch" <jeffanel at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:11 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ah, it must be nice being of legal age, but i am 15, and I would 
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> to be in a releasonship, but the practicablity of this happening is
>>>>>>> slim, with school, and extra crickler activatives things would not
>>>>>>> really work out, but as i said, it would be nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in a onist way of putting it, from a adault point of view, it would 
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> pointless for me to get in a releationship because it is just over
>>>>>>> reactive hormons that would get in the way and then after a wile
>>>>>>> things would simmer down, and hear that person go's, on the hunt
>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this is my point of view
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but i think you would have good luck in the online dating world, but
>>>>>>> as one of the posters said, becareful, i know from experence, my
>>>>>>> friend did that online stuff, and then well to putt it i have not 
>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>> her for quite some years, she went missing, so be careful
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> don't mean to sound like a dad, lol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> every one have a good day, and if anyone needs to contact me, you 
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> email me at
>>>>>>> jeffanel at gmail.com
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> kd8qiq at arrl.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with love and respect
>>>>>>> Jeff Crouch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/24/12, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello doug,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Congratulations on your upcoming nuptials with you and mellissa. 
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> sooo
>>>>>>>> happy for the both of you! Here's wishing you both good health and
>>>>>>>> happiness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take care and, I will talk to you soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hugs,
>>>>>>>> amy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of Doug Oliver
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:05 PM
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:28 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doug, good luck with your fiancee.  I hope the two of you are
>>>>>>>> still working.
>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Doug Oliver" <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:54:51 -0500
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm gonna way in on this topic.
>>>>>>>> My fiancee is actually sited and I'm blind, she's been around
>>>>>>>> blind people
>>>>>>>> growing up, so she's very much accustomed to dating a blind
>>>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>>> We've met in person twice and it's been great.
>>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Ashley" <cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:42 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>> Like some of the people who have posted already, I have had my
>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>> experiences with dating, as well as simply meeting people online.
>>>>>>>> As a
>>>>>>>> matter of fact, my current boyfriend is someone I met online, and
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> is blind as well. We have been dating a little over a year now,
>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>> have also had the chance to meet him in person. I can say that
>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>> what we've been through, especially when we met, was both good
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> bad, and even though he is blind, it was a little more disastrous
>>>>>>>> because of his family who are sighted. Well the first time we
>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>> got to "see" each other was through a webcam, and both families
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> present, not only for descriptive purposes but also because of us
>>>>>>>> being long distance, and it was the only way the two families
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> meet. About 6 months later I got to visit him in person, and that
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> a little weird because he lives in another country, and a part of
>>>>>>>> another culture, and that in itself brings its own barriers. I
>>>>>>>> actually stayed at his house with his family, and I imagine it
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> hard on them because they've never dealt with another blind
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>> besides him, and he is not as independent as I am. I have also
>>>>>>>> met
>>>>>>>> sighted people online, but I did not meet them through dating
>>>>>>>> sites. I
>>>>>>>> met them through pages we both visit, (blogs, etc), and in my
>>>>>>>> opinion,
>>>>>>>> that's better because you're actually meeting people you have
>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>> in common with, regardless of whether you date or not, and like
>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>> people have said already, one of the main things to consider when
>>>>>>>> dating someone, blind or sighted, is what kinds of things you
>>>>>>>> share in
>>>>>>>> common with the other person. I personally have never dated a
>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>> person, but I have made some interesting friends online who are
>>>>>>>> sighted. Some know I'm blind, and some do not, but not because I
>>>>>>>> haven't wanted to tell them. I don't meet these people in person
>>>>>>>> mainly because most of them are not from the U.S. and therefore
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> really hasn't come up. Besides, I'm not as close to them, and we
>>>>>>>> mainly talk about music, which is what i have in common with most
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> these people I meet anyway. I have also met blind friends online,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> basically the same goes for them. So as most people have already
>>>>>>>> said,
>>>>>>>> I don't think it's that much different dating a sighted person
>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>> blind person. A blind person might be a little more understanding
>>>>>>>> considering they go through some of the same things. But on the
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> side, that may not always be the case, if the person isn't
>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>> adjusted to their blindness, or they have been with their family
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> entire life, and don't really understand the independence issue
>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>> as in my case. So I think dating both blind and sighted people
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> have their ups and downs, and it's just a matter of knowing how
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> handle each situation as it comes. Good luck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> I have a little experience with online dating, but not much. I
>>>>>>>> was on
>>>>>>>> a dating site for a year or so and chatted with a few guys but
>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>> find anyone I actually wanted to meet in person. I have a lot of
>>>>>>>> friends (sighted and blind) who do online dating and I've heard
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> whole gamut, from happily-ever-after marriages to disastrous
>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>> dates and a few people who walked away after my friend's
>>>>>>>> blindness was
>>>>>>>> revealed online. It really doesn't hurt to try it. If you do
>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>> someone you like and want to meet, it's best to meet them in a
>>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>>> place. But there's nothing dangerous about just putting a
>>>>>>>> profile up
>>>>>>>> and seeing what happens.
>>>>>>>> Some dating sites are free and others charge a fee for joining.
>>>>>>>> Interestingly, the site I used was free, and when I was visiting
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> sister and her roommate they were checking out one of the paid
>>>>>>>> sites.
>>>>>>>> I told them about the free site I was on and they looked at it
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> said they thought the guys on the free site were a lot more
>>>>>>>> attractive
>>>>>>>> and appealing than the guys on the paid one. So it's possible
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> people you might meet on a free site are less "desperate" and
>>>>>>>> hence
>>>>>>>> are better catches.
>>>>>>>> I'm sure there's a lot of debate about when to reveal blindness
>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>> an online dating encounter. Some people put it in their
>>>>>>>> profiles,
>>>>>>>> others wait until the first meeting and still others reveal it
>>>>>>>> at some
>>>>>>>> point in the middle. I'd tend to treat it like a job interview
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> reveal blindness after I've connected with someone online but
>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>> we meet in person so they aren't totally shocked or freaked out
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> they see me. Unfortunately rejections due to blindness can
>>>>>>>> happen at
>>>>>>>> any point in the process. You'll have to decide whether you
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> prefer to take that risk earlier on or to give them a chance to
>>>>>>>> get to
>>>>>>>> know you before they learn about your blindness.
>>>>>>>> Regarding dating blind vs. sighted people: Like many of us I
>>>>>>>> have done
>>>>>>>> both. I never consciously decided that I wanted to date a blind
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>> or a sighted person, and I would not recommend that line of
>>>>>>>> thinking.
>>>>>>>> I simply dated guys with whom I felt a connection and who felt
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> same way toward me, regardless of whether or not they were
>>>>>>>> blind. I
>>>>>>>> will say that in some ways establishing the initial relationship
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> easier with blind guys, because I didn't have to wonder about
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> nonverbal signals they were sending or how they might interpret
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> nonverbal signals. However, when I try to compare the
>>>>>>>> relationship I
>>>>>>>> have had with my sighted boyfriend over the past three years
>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>> other relationships I have had with blind guys, I really can't
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> of any major differences. I do think that regardless of
>>>>>>>> blindness
>>>>>>>> status, it's important for you and your partner to share
>>>>>>>> interests and
>>>>>>>> passions in common. NFB and blindness are passions that many of
>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>> share, and they help bring many blind couples together. However,
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> are other interests or passions you may share with sighted folks
>>>>>>>> around you, and finding a partner who shares one of those
>>>>>>>> passions
>>>>>>>> with you can be similarly rewarding. In other words, instead of
>>>>>>>> deciding who to date based on whether they are sighted or blind,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> think it's more helpful to choose based on how much you share in
>>>>>>>> common with them. I know that for us blind folks it can be hard
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> meet and connect with people at bars or large gatherings like
>>>>>>>> singles'
>>>>>>>> parties. But if you can find communities of people that share
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> interests-whether that be your local NFB chapter or student
>>>>>>>> division,
>>>>>>>> classes, church groups or clubs you might be in-that's a much
>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>> way to build lasting connections.
>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Nimer M. Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Oops, I missed a point: I wouldn't go to an NFB convention
>>>>>>>> simply for
>>>>>>>> the dating scene. I'm sure relationships do develop at things
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> that, however most people are going to be preoccupied with
>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>> sessions, exhibits, orientation around a huge massive hotel, etc
>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>> to really pay attention to who's around them for dating.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Later.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Nimer M. Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello Robin,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or you could just go ahead and do the online dating thing and
>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>> from it. It has turned out well for some, and not so well for
>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>> As for the sighted vs. blind thing, I would ask what you want.
>>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>>> dating a blind person simply because you think you'll look cool
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> more independent for dating a sighted person will limit your
>>>>>>>> options,
>>>>>>>> just like not dating a sighted person because you're afraid of
>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>> rejected is crazy as well. We're all individuals. Many blind
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> have underlying disabilities, some may not be adjusted to their
>>>>>>>> blindness completely, etc but you wouldn't have to
>>>>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>>>> feel self-conscious about the blindness issues, your appearance,
>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>> etc. Sighted people in my experience are going to ask many
>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>> Especially at first, you'll probably have to do a whole lot more
>>>>>>>> educating than dating, and it might get annoying, but many are
>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>> to learn and it could work out. As for good dating sites ... why
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> just getting onto the social networks like Facebook and put your
>>>>>>>> status as single? Maybe attend some of the singles conferences
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> are out there? And if someone interests you, then go after them
>>>>>>>> (whether online or not).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, talk to you later and peace. May you have much luck with
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> dating search.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Also, it has been proven, that there are people on chat sites,
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> pretend to be something, to get your attention, and then when
>>>>>>>> you meet
>>>>>>>> them, they're a criminal.
>>>>>>>> Be careful, and meet people one on one, and in person.
>>>>>>>> Come to the NFB convention, and you might meet someone, and oh
>>>>>>>> yes,
>>>>>>>> there are sighted members in the NFB, as well!
>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> I have never gone on to any of the online dating sites, but I
>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>> careful because a person online is not as friendly or charming
>>>>>>>> as they
>>>>>>>> appear to be over emails. I have dated very few blind people and
>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> there is always a focus on blindness in the relationship and I
>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> a negative thing at times because we all live with blindness on
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> daily
>>>>>>>> basis and want to know we are more than our blindness. I have
>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> are a lot of people open to dating a blind person especially
>>>>>>>> when they
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> confident and out going. I have been in a relationship with a
>>>>>>>> sited
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>> for 3 years and things are wonderful.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Robin" <robinmel71 at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:47 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello to everyone,
>>>>>>>> I am just wondering if anyone has had any experience with online
>>>>>>>> dating
>>>>>>>> and if so what sites would you recommend? What experiences have
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> with dating sighted people vs dating blind people? I look
>>>>>>>> forward to
>>>>>>>> hearing your stories.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague,
>>>>>>>> like a
>>>>>>>> breeze
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> among flowers.
>>>>>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> kd8qiq
>>>>>>> jeff crouch
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