[nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 65, Issue 31

[Isaac Hebert]

I have never dated any one online.

On 3/25/12, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org <nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>    1. Re: Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision (Chris Nusbaum)
>    2. Re: Guide Dogs was Re: Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>       (Joshua Lester)
>    3. Re: Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision (Chris Nusbaum)
>    4. Re: Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision (Joshua Lester)
>    5. Careers in assistive technology (Kayla Paige)
>    6. Re: Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision (Ashley Bramlett)
>    7. Re: Careers in assistive technology (Joshua Lester)
>    8. Re: Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision (Brian Hatgelakas)
>    9. Re: Careers in assistive technology (Nimer)
>   10. Re: Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision (Brian Hatgelakas)
>   11. Re: Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision (Nimer)
>   12. Re: Careers in assistive technology (Joshua Lester)
>   13. Re: Careers in assistive technology (Desiree Oudinot)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 21:34:35 -0400
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
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> See you in Dallas!!
>
> Chris Nusbaum
> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID:
> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:36:40 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>
> You met this guy, that you're dating now, in person.
> Those relationships are the ones that usually last!
> To respond to Nimer's point about not going to the NFB
> conventions
> just to meet someone, I agree, and wasn't implying that.
> What I was saying, is that you still could meet someone, as a
> result
> of attending one.
> Just go, to connect with other blind people, and find some great
> deals
> on technology!
> That's why I'm going, again!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 3/22/12, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>  I'm currently dating a blind man right now that I met at
> Colorado
>  Center for the Blind.  We've been together for nearly two years.
>  I'vfe dated online, and I actually found someone who used to be
>  on this list, but we fizzled out after two months.  Then, I
> tried
>  Craig's List, not a good choice because I had guys that I wasn't
>  sure would fit the bill.  I've dated a sighted guy or two, and
>  had a crush on several other sighted guys, but they openly
>  rejected me, which bothered me.  The rejections were a result of
>  me being the only blind person in the school who wasn't "special
>  ed", if you know what I mean.  I honestly was not fitting in at
>  the regular ed level as far as ating went.  My parents forbade
> me
>  from dating, and now that I'm with this guy, I'm having culture
>  clashes.  For instance, he wants to marry a cousin, which is
>  illegal in the United States depending on how close you are with
>  the cousins you say you want to marry.  I'm trying to discourage
>  the cousin marriage because it's not legal and it could result
> in
>  defective children.  HE has a total defect in his eyes that
> could
>  mean the difference between being single for life and being
>  married to someone who might not understand the alternative
>  techniques of blindness.  For me, I don't think I see myself
> with
>  anyone else because he understands, but any other Muslim man
>  might not support me because of both blindness and a secondary
>  mental illness that came about as a result of my parents' fickle
>  parenting.  Just my thoughts.
>  Beth
>   ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Robin <robinmel71 at earthlink.net
>  To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:47:45 -0700
>  Subject: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>
>  Hello to everyone,
>  I am just wondering if anyone has had any experience with online
>  dating and if so what sites would you recommend? What
> experiences
>  have you had with dating sighted people vs dating blind people?
> I
>  look forward to hearing your stories.
>
>
>  I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>  Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
>  vague,
>  like a breeze among flowers.
>  Hellen Keller
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:39:41 -0500
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs was Re: Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low
> 	Vision
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> Thanks, Chris.
> I appreciate the kindness.
> Thanks again.
> Joshua
>
> On 3/25/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Joshua,
>>
>> I'm sorry to hear about your mom's health! In that case, I
>> completely understand your wanting to stay closer to home.  I
>> hope she gets well soon and that nothing serious happens!
>>
>> God bless,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID:
>> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
>> nuisance."
>> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 23:50:29 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs was Re: Dating &
>> Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>
>> I have to stay, closer to home, due to my mom's health.
>> She's diabetic, and has lost a leg, due to diabetes.
>> I have to be close by, in case, (God forbid,) something happens
>> to her.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 3/22/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>  I am not trying to be rude or condescending, but there is
>> something that I
>>  need to know.  Is it that all other guide dog schools are to
>> difficult to get
>>  to for some reason, or is it that you just don't want to travel
>> that far
>>  from home? And, this is not just about the guide dog schools;
>> this is about
>>  everything.
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:57 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs was Re: Dating &
>> Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>
>>
>>  It's closer to Arkansas, (where I live.)
>>  Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>  On 3/22/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>  Is that the only school that you would consider?
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:50 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>
>>
>>  I'm allergic to cats, dogs, and horses.
>>  I'm not sure, if Guiding Eyes trains poodles.
>>  That's an interesting question, and those of you, that received
>> your
>>  dogs from there, may be able to answer that.
>>  If so, I might be on the lookout for one.
>>  Thanks, Joshua
>>
>>  On 3/22/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>  No dog is 100% allergy causing free, but most people who are
>> allergic to
>>  dogs are not allergic to poodles or labordoodles.  That being
>> said, I
>>  would
>>  like to know how many people are allergic to dogs.
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:33 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>
>>
>>  Also, with the guide dog, you never know, if the person you're
>> dating
>>  has an allergy to dogs.
>>  That's why I avoid them, because of my allergies.
>>  I don't know, if they train dogs, that are nonallergenic.
>>  Nicole, do you know if they do?
>>  Thanks, Joshua
>>
>>  On 3/22/12, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home
>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>  I'm not saying that this is a reason to get one, and I know that
>> they
>>  are
>>  not for everyone, and, if you tell the training center that you
>> want one
>>  for
>>  this reason, they're probably not going to accept you, but guide
>> dogs
>>  can
>>  sometimes be a way to break the ice in awkward situations.
>> However,
>>  there
>>  is
>>  of course a flip side to that.  Some people who have guide dogs
>> don't
>>  like
>>  it
>>  when people talk to them because of their dogs. .
>>
>>  Nicole
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: "Mary Fernandez" <trillian551 at gmail.com
>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 6:42 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>
>>
>>  Hello All,
>>  This is a really fantastic topic for a number of reasons.
>> First,
>>  dating is hard as a blind person.  But dating can also be hard
>> for
>>  someone who is overweight, someone who is well below average
>> height,
>>  someone who has trouble hearing, etc.  In short, dating can be
>> hard for
>>  anyone who isn't simply average, someone who doesn't fall
>> squarely in
>>  the fattest part of the bell curve when we look at populations.
>> Even
>>  geniuses have trouble dating, I'm friends with some, and it's a
>> true
>>  story.
>>  I was having a conversation about dating with a very good friend
>> of
>>  mine a few days ago.  And one of the things we both agreed upon,
>> is
>>  that one of the challenges of dating in the typical ways that
>> most
>>  people do, is that most sighted people see you as an asexual
>> being,
>>  who needs help, and who cannot be viewed as datable.  Which,
>> like
>>  Arielle said,  makes it hard for blind people to go to bars and
>> other
>>  hang out places where singles gather and just pick up someone
>> and go
>>  on a date.  We have to carry a heavier burden by making
>> ourselves even
>>  more accessible than most people, and this might play havoc with
>> our
>>  self-esteem.  The courting sequence usually goes something like
>> this:
>>  Man and woman sit at bar.  Man and woman makes eye-contact.
>>  If man and woman give each other physical cue, man will usually,
>>  though not always, make a comment which will spark off
>> conversation.
>>  If woman is interested, about 2 minutes into the conversation
>> she will
>>  angle herself toward the man.  If conversation continues to be
>>  stimulating, and man and woman are getting a deeper connection,
>> casual
>>  touching might begin, and a second date might be requested.
>>  Now, lets look at this from a blind perspective.  Man or woman
>> walk
>>  into bar, after using cane successfully, fending off unwanted
>> requests
>>  to be helped, man or woman find barstool.  After being observed
>> to
>>  enter by most of the bar, observers' mis-conceptions about
>> blindness
>>  will have been activated.  And our shot of having this normal
>> courting
>>  sequence is nipped at the bud.  Of course, a person who wasn't
>> there
>>  before hand might come in, look at your gorgeous skirt and be
>>  instantly drawn in.  Which is why, I like to arrive early at
>> parties
>>  and spark up a conversation with new comers.  When they find out
>> your
>>  blind however, all bets are off.
>>  This is not to say that blind individuals cannot and should not
>> have a
>>  dating experience.  On the contrary, I have been fairly
>> successful in
>>  dating along with many other blind women and men I know.  Like
>> Arielle
>>  and others mentioned, whether someone is sighted or blind should
>> be
>>  irrelevant in who you choose to spend your time with and
>> consider as a
>>  potential romantic partner.  there are so many other things that
>> come
>>  into play.  What's important to you? Values, humor, kindness,
>>  intelligence, height, hair color, philosophical view, political
>>  parties? Could you truly date a democrat with all those liberal
>> ideas
>>  they have? Or God forbid you find a blind conservative, but
>> decide to
>>  stay with them because it's more comfortable.  Relationships are
>> so
>>  incredibly hard and take a lot of work .You learn a lot from
>> each
>>  other.  But hopefully, most of the time you enjoy each other
>>  thoroughly, know what your flaws are and continue to like the
>> person
>>  despite them, and have a stronger basis for that relationship
>> than
>>  mere visual acuity.
>>  So, basically, yes, if online dating is something you want to
>>  explore, than yes, do it! If the single chess club is something
>> your
>>  into, go for it! If a singles book club, (which is totally
>> something
>>  I'm looking into right now), sounds interesting, then by all
>> means.  Be
>>   creative, don't limit yourself to national convention or the
>> local
>>  bar,, try speed dating! Trivia night! Just going to house
>> parties.  But
>>  most of all, be comfortable with yourself, don't go looking for
>> a
>>  sighted date or a blind date for validation.  Because that never
>> ends
>>  well.  The truth of the matter is that even those of us who are
>>  completely comfortable with their blindness, who lead, full
>> happy and
>>  fulfilled life, can be put down sometimes by being perceived by
>> the
>>  sighted world as somehow lacking, when we know we are not.  But,
>> you do
>>  learn that you really are ok, and that dating is just one more
>> thing
>>  we have to do using alternative skills.  I know, from the
>> experience of
>>  friends, that some sighted people like to date blind people,
>> because
>>  it makes them feel useful.  It validates their self-worth, since
>> they
>>  have someone they can help all the time.  And I know blind
>> people who
>>  think that dating someone who is sighted is somehow a superior
>>  experience.  I've done both, and speaking from a woman's
>> perspective.
>>  All men have issues.  But you can find some truly golden ones
>> among
>>  them all.
>>  A long post of mine can never be complete without my usual
>> reference
>>  to fashion and looking good.  Dress to bring out the best
>> features of
>>  yourself.  Even at my worse jeans, shirt and sneakers college
>> chic,
>>  when I wake up 10 minutes before class, I always wear color.
>> Because I
>>  have a nice skin tone, and color is my friend.  Look nice, get
>> some
>>  delicious lotion or perfume, and go get em.
>>  Sincerely,
>>  Mary
>>
>>  On 3/22/12, Doug Oliver <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  I'm gonna way in on this topic.
>>  My fiancee is actually sited and I'm blind, she's been around
>> blind
>>  people
>>  growing up, so she's very much accustomed to dating a blind
>> person.
>>  We've met in person twice and it's been great.
>>  Take care,
>>  Doug
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: "Ashley" <cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com
>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:42 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>
>>
>>  Hello all,
>>  Like some of the people who have posted already, I have had my
>> own
>>  experiences with dating, as well as simply meeting people
>> online.  As a
>>  matter of fact, my current boyfriend is someone I met online,
>> and he
>>  is blind as well.  We have been dating a little over a year now,
>> and I
>>  have also had the chance to meet him in person.  I can say that
>> some of
>>  what we've been through, especially when we met, was both good
>> and
>>  bad, and even though he is blind, it was a little more
>> disastrous
>>  because of his family who are sighted.  Well the first time we
>> actually
>>  got to "see" each other was through a webcam, and both families
>> were
>>  present, not only for discriptive purposes but also because of
>> us
>>  being long distance, and it was the only way the two families
>> could
>>  meet.  About 6 months later I got to visit him in person, and
>> that was
>>  a little weird because he lives in another country, and a part
>> of
>>  another culture, and that in itself brings its own barriers.  I
>>  actually stayed at his house with his family, and I imagine it
>> was
>>  hard on them because they've never dealt with another blind
>> person
>>  besides him, and he is not as independent as I am.  I have also
>> met
>>  sighted people online, but I did not meet them through dating
>> sites.  I
>>  met them through pages we both visit, (blogs, etc), and in my
>> opinion,
>>  that's better because you're actually meeting people you have
>> things
>>  in common with, regardless of whether you date or not, and like
>> most
>>  people have said already, one of the main things to consider
>> when
>>  dating someone, blind or sighted, is what kinds of things you
>> share in
>>  common with the other person.  I personally have never dated a
>> sighted
>>  person, but I have made some interesting friends online who are
>>  sighted.  Some know I'm blind, and some do not, but not because
>> I
>>  haven't wanted to tell them.  I don't meet these people in
>> person
>>  mainly because most of them are not from the U.S.  and therefore
>> it
>>  really hasn't come up.  Besides, I'm not as close to them, and
>> we
>>  mainly talk about music, which is what i have in common with
>> most of
>>  these people I meet anyway.  I have also met blind friends
>> online, and
>>  basically the same goes for them.  So as most people have
>> already said,
>>  I don't think it's that much different dating a sighted person
>> from a
>>  blind person.  A blind person might be a little more
>> understanding
>>  considering they go through some of the same things.  But on the
>> other
>>  side, that may not always be the case, if the person isn't
>> completely
>>  adjusted to their blindness, or they have been with their family
>> their
>>  entire life, and don't really understand the independence issue
>> such
>>  as in my case.  So I think dating both blind and sighted people
>> can
>>  have their ups and downs, and it's just a matter of knowing how
>> to
>>  handle each situation as it comes.  Good luck.
>>
>>
>>  On 3/22/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Hi all,
>>  I have a little experience with online dating, but not much.  I
>> was on
>>  a dating site for a year or so and chatted with a few guys but
>> didn't
>>  find anyone I actually wanted to meet in person.  I have a lot
>> of
>>  friends (sighted and blind) who do online dating and I've heard
>> the
>>  whole gamut, from happily-ever-after marriages to disastrous
>> first
>>  dates and a few people who walked away after my friend's
>> blindness was
>>  revealed online.  It really doesn't hurt to try it.  If you do
>> find
>>  someone you like and want to meet, it's best to meet them in a
>> public
>>  place.  But there's nothing dangerous about just putting a
>> profile up
>>  and seeing what happens.
>>  Some dating sites are free and others charge a fee for joining.
>>  Interestingly, the site I used was free, and when I was visiting
>> my
>>  sister and her roommate they were checking out one of the paid
>> sites.
>>  I told them about the free site I was on and they looked at it
>> and
>>  said they thought the guys on the free site were a lot more
>> attractive
>>  and appealing than the guys on the paid one.  So it's possible
>> the
>>  people you might meet on a free site are less "desperate" and
>> hence
>>  are better catches.
>>  I'm sure there's a lot of debate about when to reveal blindness
>> during
>>  an online dating encounter.  Some people put it in their
>> profiles,
>>  others wait until the first meeting and still others reveal it
>> at some
>>  point in the middle.  I'd tend to treat it like a job interview
>> and
>>  reveal blindness after I've connected with someone online but
>> before
>>  we meet in person so they aren't totally shocked or freaked out
>> when
>>  they see me.  Unfortunately rejections due to blindness can
>> happen at
>>  any point in the process.  You'll have to decide whether you
>> would
>>  prefer to take that risk earlier on or to give them a chance to
>> get to
>>  know you before they learn about your blindness.
>>  Regarding dating blind vs.  sighted people: Like many of us I
>> have done
>>  both.  I never consciously decided that I wanted to date a blind
>> person
>>  or a sighted person, and I would not recommend that line of
>> thinking.
>>  I simply dated guys with whom I felt a connection and who felt
>> the
>>  same way toward me, regardless of whether or not they were
>> blind.  I
>>  will say that in some ways establishing the initial relationship
>> was
>>  easier with blind guys, because I didn't have to wonder about
>> what
>>  nonverbal signals they were sending or how they might interpret
>> my
>>  nonverbal signals.  However, when I try to compare the
>> relationship I
>>  have had with my sighted boyfriend over the past three years
>> with the
>>  other relationships I have had with blind guys, I really can't
>> think
>>  of any major differences.  I do think that regardless of
>> blindness
>>  status, it's important for you and your partner to share
>> interests and
>>  passions in common.  NFB and blindness are passions that many of
>> us
>>  share, and they help bring many blind couples together.
>> However, there
>>  are other interests or passions you may share with sighted folks
>>  around you, and finding a partner who shares one of those
>> passions
>>  with you can be similarly rewarding.  In other words, instead of
>>  deciding who to date based on whether they are sighted or blind,
>> I
>>  think it's more helpful to choose based on how much you share in
>>  common with them.  I know that for us blind folks it can be hard
>> to
>>  meet and connect with people at bars or large gatherings like
>> singles'
>>  parties.  But if you can find communities of people that share
>> your
>>  interests-whether that be your local NFB chapter or student
>> division,
>>  classes, church groups or clubs you might be in-that's a much
>> better
>>  way to build lasting connections.
>>  Arielle
>>
>>  On 3/22/12, Nimer M.  Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Oops, I missed a point: I wouldn't go to an NFB convention
>> simply for
>>  the dating scene.  I'm sure relationships do develop at things
>> like
>>  that, however most people are going to be preoccupied with
>> general
>>  sessions, exhibits, orientation around a huge massive hotel, etc
>> etc
>>  to really pay attention to who's around them for dating.
>>
>>  Later.
>>
>>  On 22.03.2012, Nimer M.  Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>  Hello Robin,
>>
>>  Or you could just go ahead and do the online dating thing and
>> learn
>>  from it.  It has turned out well for some, and not so well for
>>  others.
>>  As for the sighted vs.  blind thing, I would ask what you want.
>> Not
>>  dating a blind person simply because you think you'll look cool
>> and
>>  more independent for dating a sighted person will limit your
>>  options,
>>  just like not dating a sighted person because you're afraid of
>> being
>>  rejected is crazy as well.  We're all individuals.  Many blind
>> people
>>  have underlying disabilities, some may not be adjusted to their
>>  blindness completely, etc etc but you wouldn't have to
>> necessarily
>>  feel self-conscious about the blindness issues, your appearance,
>> etc
>>  etc.  Sighted people in my experience are going to ask many
>>  questions.
>>  Especially at first, you'll probably have to do a whole lot more
>>  educating than dating, and it might get annoying, but many are
>>  willing
>>  to learn and it could work out.  As for good dating sites ...
>> why not
>>  just getting onto the social networks like Facebook and put your
>>  status as single? Maybe attend some of the singles conferences
>> that
>>  are out there? And if someone interests you, then go after them
>>  (whether online or not).
>>
>>  Anyway, talk to you later and peace.  May you have much luck
>> with
>>  your
>>  dating search.
>>
>>  Nimer J
>>
>>  On 22.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>>  Also, it has been proven, that there are people on chat sites,
>> that
>>  pretend to be something, to get your attention, and then when
>> you
>>  meet
>>  them, they're a criminal.
>>  Be careful, and meet people one on one, and in person.
>>  Come to the NFB convention, and you might meet someone, and oh
>> yes,
>>  there are sighted members in the NFB, as well!
>>  Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>  On 3/22/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Hi,
>>  I have never gone on to any of the online dating sites, but I
>>  would
>>  be
>>  very
>>  careful because a person online is not as friendly or charming
>> as
>>  they
>>  appear to be over emails.  I have dated very few blind people
>> and
>>  find
>>  that
>>  there is always a focus on blindness in the relationship and I
>>  feel
>>  that
>>  is
>>  a negative thing at times because we all live with blindness on
>> a
>>  daily
>>  basis and want to know we are more than our blindness.  I have
>>  found
>>  there
>>  are a lot of people open to dating a blind person expecially
>> when
>>  they
>>  are
>>  confident and out going.  I have been in a relationship with a
>>  sited
>>  person
>>  for 3 years and things are wonderful.
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: "Robin" <robinmel71 at earthlink.net
>>  To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:47 PM
>>  Subject: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>
>>
>>  Hello to everyone,
>>  I am just wondering if anyone has had any experience with online
>>  dating
>>  and if so what sites would you recommend? What experiences have
>>  you
>>  had
>>  with dating sighted people vs dating blind people? I look
>> forward
>>  to
>>  hearing your stories.
>>
>>
>>  I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>>  Perhaps
>>  there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague,
>> like
>>  a
>>  breeze
>>
>>  among flowers.
>>  Hellen Keller
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 21:34:40 -0400
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> 	list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
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> By the way, I recall hearing something from Leader Dogs about
> them training laborodoodles.  Don't quote me on that, though; I
> would check with them before you decide to see if they train that
> type of dog.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
> Email and Google Talk/Keychat (on the BrailleNote) ID:
> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum
>
> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight.  The
> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> exists.  If a blind person has the proper training and
> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> nuisance."
> -- Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:45:30 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>
> For me, a guide dog is not an option if I marry the man I want or
> any Muslim for that matter because they think dogs are impure.
> Beth
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:29:35 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>
> I'm not saying that this is a reason to get one, and I know that
> they are
> not for everyone, and, if you tell the training center that you
> want one for
> this reason, they're probably not going to accept you, but guide
> dogs can
> sometimes be a way to break the ice in awkward situations.
> However, there is
> of course a flip side to that.  Some people who have guide dogs
> don't like it
> when people talk to them because of their dogs. .
>
> Nicole
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mary Fernandez" <trillian551 at gmail.com
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 6:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>
>
> Hello All,
> This is a really fantastic topic for a number of reasons.  First,
> dating is hard as a blind person.  But dating can also be hard
> for
> someone who is overweight, someone who is well below average
> height,
> someone who has trouble hearing, etc.  In short, dating can be
> hard for
> anyone who isn't simply average, someone who doesn't fall
> squarely in
> the fattest part of the bell curve when we look at populations.
> Even
> geniuses have trouble dating, I'm friends with some, and it's a
> true
> story.
> I was having a conversation about dating with a very good friend
> of
> mine a few days ago.  And one of the things we both agreed upon,
> is
> that one of the challenges of dating in the typical ways that
> most
> people do, is that most sighted people see you as an asexual
> being,
> who needs help, and who cannot be viewed as datable.  Which, like
> Arielle said,  makes it hard for blind people to go to bars and
> other
> hang out places where singles gather and just pick up someone and
> go
> on a date.  We have to carry a heavier burden by making ourselves
> even
> more accessible than most people, and this might play havoc with
> our
> self-esteem.  The courting sequence usually goes something like
> this:
> Man and woman sit at bar.  Man and woman makes eye-contact.
> If man and woman give each other physical cue, man will usually,
> though not always, make a comment which will spark off
> conversation.
> If woman is interested, about 2 minutes into the conversation she
> will
> angle herself toward the man.  If conversation continues to be
> stimulating, and man and woman are getting a deeper connection,
> casual
> touching might begin, and a second date might be requested.
> Now, lets look at this from a blind perspective.  Man or woman
> walk
> into bar, after using cane successfully, fending off unwanted
> requests
> to be helped, man or woman find barstool.  After being observed
> to
> enter by most of the bar, observers' mis-conceptions about
> blindness
> will have been activated.  And our shot of having this normal
> courting
> sequence is nipped at the bud.  Of course, a person who wasn't
> there
> before hand might come in, look at your gorgeous skirt and be
> instantly drawn in.  Which is why, I like to arrive early at
> parties
> and spark up a conversation with new comers.  When they find out
> your
> blind however, all bets are off.
> This is not to say that blind individuals cannot and should not
> have a
> dating experience.  On the contrary, I have been fairly
> successful
> in
> dating along with many other blind women and men I know.  Like
> Arielle
> and others mentioned, whether someone is sighted or blind should
> be
> irrelevant in who you choose to spend your time with and consider
> as a
> potential romantic partner.  there are so many other things that
> come
> into play.  What's important to you? Values, humor, kindness,
> intelligence, height, hair color, philosophical view, political
> parties? Could you truly date a democrat with all those liberal
> ideas
> they have? Or God forbid you find a blind conservative, but
> decide to
> stay with them because it's more comfortable.  Relationships are
> so
> incredibly hard and take a lot of work .You learn a lot from each
> other.  But hopefully, most of the time you enjoy each other
> thoroughly, know what your flaws are and continue to like the
> person
> despite them, and have a stronger basis for that relationship
> than
> mere visual acuity.
> So, basically, yes, if online dating is something you want to
> explore, than yes, do it! If the single chess club is something
> your
> into, go for it! If a singles book club, (which is totally
> something
> I'm looking into right now), sounds interesting, then by all
> means.  Be
>  creative, don't limit yourself to national convention or the
> local
> bar,, try speed dating! Trivia night! Just going to house
> parties.  But
> most of all, be comfortable with yourself, don't go looking for a
> sighted date or a blind date for validation.  Because that never
> ends
> well.  The truth of the matter is that even those of us who are
> completely comfortable with their blindness, who lead, full happy
> and
> fulfilled life, can be put down sometimes by being perceived by
> the
> sighted world as somehow lacking, when we know we are not.  But,
> you do
> learn that you really are ok, and that dating is just one more
> thing
> we have to do using alternative skills.  I know, from the
> experience of
> friends, that some sighted people like to date blind people,
> because
> it makes them feel useful.  It validates their self-worth, since
> they
> have someone they can help all the time.  And I know blind people
> who
> think that dating someone who is sighted is somehow a superior
> experience.  I've done both, and speaking from a woman's
> perspective.
> All men have issues.  But you can find some truly golden ones
> among
> them all.
> A long post of mine can never be complete without my usual
> reference
> to fashion and looking good.  Dress to bring out the best
> features
> of
> yourself.  Even at my worse jeans, shirt and sneakers college
> chic,
> when I wake up 10 minutes before class, I always wear color.
> Because I
> have a nice skin tone, and color is my friend.  Look nice, get
> some
> delicious lotion or perfume, and go get em.
> Sincerely,
> Mary
>
> On 3/22/12, Doug Oliver <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>  I'm gonna way in on this topic.
>  My fiancee is actually sited and I'm blind, she's been around
> blind people
>  growing up, so she's very much accustomed to dating a blind
> person.
>  We've met in person twice and it's been great.
>  Take care,
>  Doug
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Ashley" <cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:42 PM
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>
>
>  Hello all,
>  Like some of the people who have posted already, I have had my
> own
>  experiences with dating, as well as simply meeting people
> online.  As a
>  matter of fact, my current boyfriend is someone I met online,
> and he
>  is blind as well.  We have been dating a little over a year now,
> and I
>  have also had the chance to meet him in person.  I can say that
> some of
>  what we've been through, especially when we met, was both good
> and
>  bad, and even though he is blind, it was a little more
> disastrous
>  because of his family who are sighted.  Well the first time we
> actually
>  got to "see" each other was through a webcam, and both families
> were
>  present, not only for discriptive purposes but also because of
> us
>  being long distance, and it was the only way the two families
> could
>  meet.  About 6 months later I got to visit him in person, and
> that was
>  a little weird because he lives in another country, and a part
> of
>  another culture, and that in itself brings its own barriers.  I
>  actually stayed at his house with his family, and I imagine it
> was
>  hard on them because they've never dealt with another blind
> person
>  besides him, and he is not as independent as I am.  I have also
> met
>  sighted people online, but I did not meet them through dating
> sites.  I
>  met them through pages we both visit, (blogs, etc), and in my
> opinion,
>  that's better because you're actually meeting people you have
> things
>  in common with, regardless of whether you date or not, and like
> most
>  people have said already, one of the main things to consider
> when
>  dating someone, blind or sighted, is what kinds of things you
> share in
>  common with the other person.  I personally have never dated a
> sighted
>  person, but I have made some interesting friends online who are
>  sighted.  Some know I'm blind, and some do not, but not because
> I
>  haven't wanted to tell them.  I don't meet these people in
> person
>  mainly because most of them are not from the U.S.  and therefore
> it
>  really hasn't come up.  Besides, I'm not as close to them, and
> we
>  mainly talk about music, which is what i have in common with
> most of
>  these people I meet anyway.  I have also met blind friends
> online, and
>  basically the same goes for them.  So as most people have
> already
> said,
>  I don't think it's that much different dating a sighted person
> from a
>  blind person.  A blind person might be a little more
> understanding
>  considering they go through some of the same things.  But on the
> other
>  side, that may not always be the case, if the person isn't
> completely
>  adjusted to their blindness, or they have been with their family
> their
>  entire life, and don't really understand the independence issue
> such
>  as in my case.  So I think dating both blind and sighted people
> can
>  have their ups and downs, and it's just a matter of knowing how
> to
>  handle each situation as it comes.  Good luck.
>
>
>  On 3/22/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Hi all,
>  I have a little experience with online dating, but not much.  I
> was on
>  a dating site for a year or so and chatted with a few guys but
> didn't
>  find anyone I actually wanted to meet in person.  I have a lot
> of
>  friends (sighted and blind) who do online dating and I've heard
> the
>  whole gamut, from happily-ever-after marriages to disastrous
> first
>  dates and a few people who walked away after my friend's
> blindness was
>  revealed online.  It really doesn't hurt to try it.  If you do
> find
>  someone you like and want to meet, it's best to meet them in a
> public
>  place.  But there's nothing dangerous about just putting a
> profile up
>  and seeing what happens.
>  Some dating sites are free and others charge a fee for joining.
>  Interestingly, the site I used was free, and when I was visiting
> my
>  sister and her roommate they were checking out one of the paid
> sites.
>  I told them about the free site I was on and they looked at it
> and
>  said they thought the guys on the free site were a lot more
> attractive
>  and appealing than the guys on the paid one.  So it's possible
> the
>  people you might meet on a free site are less "desperate" and
> hence
>  are better catches.
>  I'm sure there's a lot of debate about when to reveal blindness
> during
>  an online dating encounter.  Some people put it in their
> profiles,
>  others wait until the first meeting and still others reveal it
> at some
>  point in the middle.  I'd tend to treat it like a job interview
> and
>  reveal blindness after I've connected with someone online but
> before
>  we meet in person so they aren't totally shocked or freaked out
> when
>  they see me.  Unfortunately rejections due to blindness can
> happen at
>  any point in the process.  You'll have to decide whether you
> would
>  prefer to take that risk earlier on or to give them a chance to
> get to
>  know you before they learn about your blindness.
>  Regarding dating blind vs.  sighted people: Like many of us I
> have done
>  both.  I never consciously decided that I wanted to date a blind
> person
>  or a sighted person, and I would not recommend that line of
> thinking.
>  I simply dated guys with whom I felt a connection and who felt
> the
>  same way toward me, regardless of whether or not they were
> blind.  I
>  will say that in some ways establishing the initial relationship
> was
>  easier with blind guys, because I didn't have to wonder about
> what
>  nonverbal signals they were sending or how they might interpret
> my
>  nonverbal signals.  However, when I try to compare the
> relationship I
>  have had with my sighted boyfriend over the past three years
> with the
>  other relationships I have had with blind guys, I really can't
> think
>  of any major differences.  I do think that regardless of
> blindness
>  status, it's important for you and your partner to share
> interests and
>  passions in common.  NFB and blindness are passions that many of
> us
>  share, and they help bring many blind couples together.
> However,
> there
>  are other interests or passions you may share with sighted folks
>  around you, and finding a partner who shares one of those
> passions
>  with you can be similarly rewarding.  In other words, instead of
>  deciding who to date based on whether they are sighted or blind,
> I
>  think it's more helpful to choose based on how much you share in
>  common with them.  I know that for us blind folks it can be hard
> to
>  meet and connect with people at bars or large gatherings like
> singles'
>  parties.  But if you can find communities of people that share
> your
>  interests-whether that be your local NFB chapter or student
> division,
>  classes, church groups or clubs you might be in-that's a much
> better
>  way to build lasting connections.
>  Arielle
>
>  On 3/22/12, Nimer M.  Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Oops, I missed a point: I wouldn't go to an NFB convention
> simply for
>  the dating scene.  I'm sure relationships do develop at things
> like
>  that, however most people are going to be preoccupied with
> general
>  sessions, exhibits, orientation around a huge massive hotel, etc
> etc
>  to really pay attention to who's around them for dating.
>
>  Later.
>
>  On 22.03.2012, Nimer M.  Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com
> wrote:
>  Hello Robin,
>
>  Or you could just go ahead and do the online dating thing and
> learn
>  from it.  It has turned out well for some, and not so well for
> others.
>  As for the sighted vs.  blind thing, I would ask what you want.
> Not
>  dating a blind person simply because you think you'll look cool
> and
>  more independent for dating a sighted person will limit your
> options,
>  just like not dating a sighted person because you're afraid of
> being
>  rejected is crazy as well.  We're all individuals.  Many blind
> people
>  have underlying disabilities, some may not be adjusted to their
>  blindness completely, etc etc but you wouldn't have to
> necessarily
>  feel self-conscious about the blindness issues, your appearance,
> etc
>  etc.  Sighted people in my experience are going to ask many
> questions.
>  Especially at first, you'll probably have to do a whole lot more
>  educating than dating, and it might get annoying, but many are
> willing
>  to learn and it could work out.  As for good dating sites ...
> why
> not
>  just getting onto the social networks like Facebook and put your
>  status as single? Maybe attend some of the singles conferences
> that
>  are out there? And if someone interests you, then go after them
>  (whether online or not).
>
>  Anyway, talk to you later and peace.  May you have much luck
> with
> your
>  dating search.
>
>  Nimer J
>
>  On 22.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
> wrote:
>  Also, it has been proven, that there are people on chat sites,
> that
>  pretend to be something, to get your attention, and then when
> you meet
>  them, they're a criminal.
>  Be careful, and meet people one on one, and in person.
>  Come to the NFB convention, and you might meet someone, and oh
> yes,
>  there are sighted members in the NFB, as well!
>  Blessings, Joshua
>
>  On 3/22/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Hi,
>  I have never gone on to any of the online dating sites, but I
> would
>  be
>  very
>  careful because a person online is not as friendly or charming
> as
>  they
>  appear to be over emails.  I have dated very few blind people
> and
> find
>  that
>  there is always a focus on blindness in the relationship and I
> feel
>  that
>  is
>  a negative thing at times because we all live with blindness on
> a
>  daily
>  basis and want to know we are more than our blindness.  I have
> found
>  there
>  are a lot of people open to dating a blind person expecially
> when
>  they
>  are
>  confident and out going.  I have been in a relationship with a
> sited
>  person
>  for 3 years and things are wonderful.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Robin" <robinmel71 at earthlink.net
>  To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:47 PM
>  Subject: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>
>
>  Hello to everyone,
>  I am just wondering if anyone has had any experience with online
>  dating
>  and if so what sites would you recommend? What experiences have
> you
>  had
>  with dating sighted people vs dating blind people? I look
> forward to
>  hearing your stories.
>
>
>  I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>  Perhaps
>  there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague,
> like a
>  breeze
>
>  among flowers.
>  Hellen Keller
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:37:29 -0500
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
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> Hi, Brian.
> I know plenty of blind women, who are endependent!
> Didn't you say in a previous post, that you were an aspiring DJ?
> Why not try to apply to work for this station?
> http://www.wics.cc
> The owner of this station, is an endependent blind woman!
> Please try to show more compassion!
> Thanks, Desiree, for the great post!
> I'm in agreement with you!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 3/25/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>> In my experiences with visually handicapped women most of them I've
>> encountered that are at my age level are uneducated and still living under
>> their parents roof.  My rule is that any woman I date should be on the
>> same
>> level both chronologically and mentally as I am.  I've graduated college
>> and
>> have been on my own since 2003. I am very independent.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jeff crouch" <jeffanel at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>
>>
>>> Yeah, I would like to try dating a VI Girl, just to see what it would
>>> be like, But unfornchely their is no one hear in flint.
>>>
>>> On 3/25/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> Me neither.  But I am just warning Jeff to be careful.  Back then when I
>>>> went on dates I enjoyed myself very much. But I noticed during the High
>>>> School years most girls weren't as accepting of me and I had more luck
>>>> with
>>>> dating during college than high school.  But again during the few times
>>>> I
>>>> dated as a teen I had fun.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 9:43 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I don't see anything wrong with dating during high school. It was fun!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Brian Hatgelakas
>>>>> <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> @Jeff my advice to you is wait until college to start dating. I did
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> and am very happy I did.    By doing this the women by the time you
>>>>>> enter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> college will be much more mature and accepting of your blindness
>>>>>> situation. Right now as a teenager make friends and don't get caught
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> in something you know won't last.  Because at your age its mostly
>>>>>> figuring out who you are and that's the same for girls.  Good luck in
>>>>>> your studies and don't worry as you get older your chance to date will
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hear before you know it.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff crouch" <jeffanel at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:11 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ah, it must be nice being of legal age, but i am 15, and I would like
>>>>>>> to be in a releasonship, but the practicablity of this happening is
>>>>>>> slim, with school, and extra crickler activatives things would not
>>>>>>> really work out, but as i said, it would be nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in a onist way of putting it, from a adault point of view, it would
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> pointless for me to get in a releationship because it is just over
>>>>>>> reactive hormons that would get in the way and then after a wile
>>>>>>> things would simmer down, and hear that person go's, on the hunt
>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this is my point of view
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but i think you would have good luck in the online dating world, but
>>>>>>> as one of the posters said, becareful, i know from experence, my
>>>>>>> friend did that online stuff, and then well to putt it i have not
>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>> her for quite some years, she went missing, so be careful
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> don't mean to sound like a dad, lol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> every one have a good day, and if anyone needs to contact me, you can
>>>>>>> email me at
>>>>>>> jeffanel at gmail.com
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> kd8qiq at arrl.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with love and respect
>>>>>>> Jeff Crouch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/24/12, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello doug,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Congratulations on your upcoming nuptials with you and mellissa. I'm
>>>>>>>> sooo
>>>>>>>> happy for the both of you! Here's wishing you both good health and
>>>>>>>> happiness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take care and, I will talk to you soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hugs,
>>>>>>>> amy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of Doug Oliver
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:05 PM
>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:28 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doug, good luck with your fiancee.  I hope the two of you are
>>>>>>>> still working.
>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Doug Oliver" <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:54:51 -0500
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm gonna way in on this topic.
>>>>>>>> My fiancee is actually sited and I'm blind, she's been around
>>>>>>>> blind people
>>>>>>>> growing up, so she's very much accustomed to dating a blind
>>>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>>> We've met in person twice and it's been great.
>>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Ashley" <cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:42 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>> Like some of the people who have posted already, I have had my
>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>> experiences with dating, as well as simply meeting people online.
>>>>>>>> As a
>>>>>>>> matter of fact, my current boyfriend is someone I met online, and
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> is blind as well. We have been dating a little over a year now,
>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>> have also had the chance to meet him in person. I can say that
>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>> what we've been through, especially when we met, was both good
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> bad, and even though he is blind, it was a little more disastrous
>>>>>>>> because of his family who are sighted. Well the first time we
>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>> got to "see" each other was through a webcam, and both families
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> present, not only for descriptive purposes but also because of us
>>>>>>>> being long distance, and it was the only way the two families
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> meet. About 6 months later I got to visit him in person, and that
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> a little weird because he lives in another country, and a part of
>>>>>>>> another culture, and that in itself brings its own barriers. I
>>>>>>>> actually stayed at his house with his family, and I imagine it
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> hard on them because they've never dealt with another blind
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>> besides him, and he is not as independent as I am. I have also
>>>>>>>> met
>>>>>>>> sighted people online, but I did not meet them through dating
>>>>>>>> sites. I
>>>>>>>> met them through pages we both visit, (blogs, etc), and in my
>>>>>>>> opinion,
>>>>>>>> that's better because you're actually meeting people you have
>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>> in common with, regardless of whether you date or not, and like
>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>> people have said already, one of the main things to consider when
>>>>>>>> dating someone, blind or sighted, is what kinds of things you
>>>>>>>> share in
>>>>>>>> common with the other person. I personally have never dated a
>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>> person, but I have made some interesting friends online who are
>>>>>>>> sighted. Some know I'm blind, and some do not, but not because I
>>>>>>>> haven't wanted to tell them. I don't meet these people in person
>>>>>>>> mainly because most of them are not from the U.S. and therefore
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> really hasn't come up. Besides, I'm not as close to them, and we
>>>>>>>> mainly talk about music, which is what i have in common with most
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> these people I meet anyway. I have also met blind friends online,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> basically the same goes for them. So as most people have already
>>>>>>>> said,
>>>>>>>> I don't think it's that much different dating a sighted person
>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>> blind person. A blind person might be a little more understanding
>>>>>>>> considering they go through some of the same things. But on the
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> side, that may not always be the case, if the person isn't
>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>> adjusted to their blindness, or they have been with their family
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> entire life, and don't really understand the independence issue
>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>> as in my case. So I think dating both blind and sighted people
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> have their ups and downs, and it's just a matter of knowing how
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> handle each situation as it comes. Good luck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> I have a little experience with online dating, but not much. I
>>>>>>>> was on
>>>>>>>> a dating site for a year or so and chatted with a few guys but
>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>> find anyone I actually wanted to meet in person. I have a lot of
>>>>>>>> friends (sighted and blind) who do online dating and I've heard
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> whole gamut, from happily-ever-after marriages to disastrous
>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>> dates and a few people who walked away after my friend's
>>>>>>>> blindness was
>>>>>>>> revealed online. It really doesn't hurt to try it. If you do
>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>> someone you like and want to meet, it's best to meet them in a
>>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>>> place. But there's nothing dangerous about just putting a
>>>>>>>> profile up
>>>>>>>> and seeing what happens.
>>>>>>>> Some dating sites are free and others charge a fee for joining.
>>>>>>>> Interestingly, the site I used was free, and when I was visiting
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> sister and her roommate they were checking out one of the paid
>>>>>>>> sites.
>>>>>>>> I told them about the free site I was on and they looked at it
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> said they thought the guys on the free site were a lot more
>>>>>>>> attractive
>>>>>>>> and appealing than the guys on the paid one. So it's possible
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> people you might meet on a free site are less "desperate" and
>>>>>>>> hence
>>>>>>>> are better catches.
>>>>>>>> I'm sure there's a lot of debate about when to reveal blindness
>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>> an online dating encounter. Some people put it in their
>>>>>>>> profiles,
>>>>>>>> others wait until the first meeting and still others reveal it
>>>>>>>> at some
>>>>>>>> point in the middle. I'd tend to treat it like a job interview
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> reveal blindness after I've connected with someone online but
>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>> we meet in person so they aren't totally shocked or freaked out
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> they see me. Unfortunately rejections due to blindness can
>>>>>>>> happen at
>>>>>>>> any point in the process. You'll have to decide whether you
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> prefer to take that risk earlier on or to give them a chance to
>>>>>>>> get to
>>>>>>>> know you before they learn about your blindness.
>>>>>>>> Regarding dating blind vs. sighted people: Like many of us I
>>>>>>>> have done
>>>>>>>> both. I never consciously decided that I wanted to date a blind
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>> or a sighted person, and I would not recommend that line of
>>>>>>>> thinking.
>>>>>>>> I simply dated guys with whom I felt a connection and who felt
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> same way toward me, regardless of whether or not they were
>>>>>>>> blind. I
>>>>>>>> will say that in some ways establishing the initial relationship
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> easier with blind guys, because I didn't have to wonder about
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> nonverbal signals they were sending or how they might interpret
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> nonverbal signals. However, when I try to compare the
>>>>>>>> relationship I
>>>>>>>> have had with my sighted boyfriend over the past three years
>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>> other relationships I have had with blind guys, I really can't
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> of any major differences. I do think that regardless of
>>>>>>>> blindness
>>>>>>>> status, it's important for you and your partner to share
>>>>>>>> interests and
>>>>>>>> passions in common. NFB and blindness are passions that many of
>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>> share, and they help bring many blind couples together. However,
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> are other interests or passions you may share with sighted folks
>>>>>>>> around you, and finding a partner who shares one of those
>>>>>>>> passions
>>>>>>>> with you can be similarly rewarding. In other words, instead of
>>>>>>>> deciding who to date based on whether they are sighted or blind,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> think it's more helpful to choose based on how much you share in
>>>>>>>> common with them. I know that for us blind folks it can be hard
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> meet and connect with people at bars or large gatherings like
>>>>>>>> singles'
>>>>>>>> parties. But if you can find communities of people that share
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> interests-whether that be your local NFB chapter or student
>>>>>>>> division,
>>>>>>>> classes, church groups or clubs you might be in-that's a much
>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>> way to build lasting connections.
>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Oops, I missed a point: I wouldn't go to an NFB convention
>>>>>>>> simply for
>>>>>>>> the dating scene. I'm sure relationships do develop at things
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> that, however most people are going to be preoccupied with
>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>> sessions, exhibits, orientation around a huge massive hotel, etc
>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>> to really pay attention to who's around them for dating.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Later.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Nimer M. Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello Robin,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or you could just go ahead and do the online dating thing and
>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>> from it. It has turned out well for some, and not so well for
>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>> As for the sighted vs. blind thing, I would ask what you want.
>>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>>> dating a blind person simply because you think you'll look cool
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> more independent for dating a sighted person will limit your
>>>>>>>> options,
>>>>>>>> just like not dating a sighted person because you're afraid of
>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>> rejected is crazy as well. We're all individuals. Many blind
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> have underlying disabilities, some may not be adjusted to their
>>>>>>>> blindness completely, etc but you wouldn't have to
>>>>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>>>> feel self-conscious about the blindness issues, your appearance,
>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>> etc. Sighted people in my experience are going to ask many
>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>> Especially at first, you'll probably have to do a whole lot more
>>>>>>>> educating than dating, and it might get annoying, but many are
>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>> to learn and it could work out. As for good dating sites ... why
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> just getting onto the social networks like Facebook and put your
>>>>>>>> status as single? Maybe attend some of the singles conferences
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> are out there? And if someone interests you, then go after them
>>>>>>>> (whether online or not).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, talk to you later and peace. May you have much luck with
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> dating search.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Also, it has been proven, that there are people on chat sites,
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> pretend to be something, to get your attention, and then when
>>>>>>>> you meet
>>>>>>>> them, they're a criminal.
>>>>>>>> Be careful, and meet people one on one, and in person.
>>>>>>>> Come to the NFB convention, and you might meet someone, and oh
>>>>>>>> yes,
>>>>>>>> there are sighted members in the NFB, as well!
>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> I have never gone on to any of the online dating sites, but I
>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>> careful because a person online is not as friendly or charming
>>>>>>>> as they
>>>>>>>> appear to be over emails. I have dated very few blind people and
>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> there is always a focus on blindness in the relationship and I
>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> a negative thing at times because we all live with blindness on
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> daily
>>>>>>>> basis and want to know we are more than our blindness. I have
>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> are a lot of people open to dating a blind person especially
>>>>>>>> when they
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> confident and out going. I have been in a relationship with a
>>>>>>>> sited
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>> for 3 years and things are wonderful.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Robin" <robinmel71 at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:47 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello to everyone,
>>>>>>>> I am just wondering if anyone has had any experience with online
>>>>>>>> dating
>>>>>>>> and if so what sites would you recommend? What experiences have
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> with dating sighted people vs dating blind people? I look
>>>>>>>> forward to
>>>>>>>> hearing your stories.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague,
>>>>>>>> like a
>>>>>>>> breeze
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> among flowers.
>>>>>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 21:53:05 -0400
> From: "Kayla Paige" <kayla.mattox at cox.net>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
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> Hi, I have a question. What kind of school would you go to for a career in
> assistive technology? Even though I'm going to school for massage therapy,
> my other interest is assistive technology. Thanks.
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 21:55:41 -0400
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
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> IC,
> Yes some people do out of beliefs. IMO this isn't the place to debate
> whether to get a dog or not and if they are pure.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ignasi Cambra
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 12:22 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>
> Would you give up on all the benefits of having a guide dog just
> because at some point a long time ago someone decided that dogs arr
> not pure...?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:47 PM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For me, a guide dog is not an option if I marry the man I want or any
>> Muslim for that matter because they think dogs are impure.
>> Beth
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:29:35 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>
>> I'm not saying that this is a reason to get one, and I know that they are
>> not for everyone, and, if you tell the training center that you want one
>> for
>> this reason, they're probably not going to accept you, but guide dogs can
>> sometimes be a way to break the ice in awkward situations. However, there
>> is
>> of course a flip side to that. Some people who have guide dogs don't like
>> it
>> when people talk to them because of their dogs. .
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mary Fernandez" <trillian551 at gmail.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 6:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>> This is a really fantastic topic for a number of reasons. First,
>> dating is hard as a blind person. But dating can also be hard for
>> someone who is overweight, someone who is well below average height,
>> someone who has trouble hearing, etc. In short, dating can be hard for
>> anyone who isn't simply average, someone who doesn't fall squarely in
>> the fattest part of the bell curve when we look at populations. Even
>> geniuses have trouble dating, I'm friends with some, and it's a true
>> story.
>> I was having a conversation about dating with a very good friend of
>> mine a few days ago. And one of the things we both agreed upon, is
>> that one of the challenges of dating in the typical ways that most
>> people do, is that most sighted people see you as an asexual being,
>> who needs help, and who cannot be viewed as datable. Which, like
>> Arielle said,  makes it hard for blind people to go to bars and other
>> hang out places where singles gather and just pick up someone and go
>> on a date. We have to carry a heavier burden by making ourselves even
>> more accessible than most people, and this might play havoc with our
>> self-esteem.  The courting sequence usually goes something like this:
>> Man and woman sit at bar. Man and woman makes eye-contact.
>> If man and woman give each other physical cue, man will usually,
>> though not always, make a comment which will spark off conversation.
>> If woman is interested, about 2 minutes into the conversation she will
>> angle herself toward the man. If conversation continues to be
>> stimulating, and man and woman are getting a deeper connection, casual
>> touching might begin, and a second date might be requested.
>> Now, lets look at this from a blind perspective. Man or woman walk
>> into bar, after using cane successfully, fending off unwanted requests
>> to be helped, man or woman find barstool. After being observed to
>> enter by most of the bar, observers' mis-conceptions about blindness
>> will have been activated. And our shot of having this normal courting
>> sequence is nipped at the bud. Of course, a person who wasn't there
>> before hand might come in, look at your gorgeous skirt and be
>> instantly drawn in. Which is why, I like to arrive early at parties
>> and spark up a conversation with new comers. When they find out your
>> blind however, all bets are off.
>> This is not to say that blind individuals cannot and should not have a
>> dating experience. On the contrary, I have been fairly successful in
>> dating along with many other blind women and men I know. Like Arielle
>> and others mentioned, whether someone is sighted or blind should be
>> irrelevant in who you choose to spend your time with and consider as a
>> potential romantic partner. there are so many other things that come
>> into play. What's important to you? Values, humor, kindness,
>> intelligence, height, hair color, philosophical view, political
>> parties? Could you truly date a democrat with all those liberal ideas
>> they have? Or God forbid you find a blind conservative, but decide to
>> stay with them because it's more comfortable. Relationships are so
>> incredibly hard and take a lot of work .You learn a lot from each
>> other. But hopefully, most of the time you enjoy each other
>> thoroughly, know what your flaws are and continue to like the person
>> despite them, and have a stronger basis for that relationship than
>> mere visual acuity.
>> So, basically, yes, if online dating is something you want to
>> explore, than yes, do it! If the single chess club is something your
>> into, go for it! If a singles book club, (which is totally something
>> I'm looking into right now), sounds interesting, then by all means. Be
>> creative, don't limit yourself to national convention or the local
>> bar,, try speed dating! Trivia night! Just going to house parties. But
>> most of all, be comfortable with yourself, don't go looking for a
>> sighted date or a blind date for validation. Because that never ends
>> well. The truth of the matter is that even those of us who are
>> completely comfortable with their blindness, who lead, full happy and
>> fulfilled life, can be put down sometimes by being perceived by the
>> sighted world as somehow lacking, when we know we are not. But, you do
>> learn that you really are ok, and that dating is just one more thing
>> we have to do using alternative skills. I know, from the experience of
>> friends, that some sighted people like to date blind people, because
>> it makes them feel useful. It validates their self-worth, since they
>> have someone they can help all the time. And I know blind people who
>> think that dating someone who is sighted is somehow a superior
>> experience. I've done both, and speaking from a woman's perspective.
>> All men have issues. But you can find some truly golden ones among
>> them all.
>> A long post of mine can never be complete without my usual reference
>> to fashion and looking good. Dress to bring out the best features of
>> yourself. Even at my worse jeans, shirt and sneakers college chic,
>> when I wake up 10 minutes before class, I always wear color. Because I
>> have a nice skin tone, and color is my friend. Look nice, get some
>> delicious lotion or perfume, and go get em.
>> Sincerely,
>> Mary
>>
>> On 3/22/12, Doug Oliver <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm gonna way in on this topic.
>> My fiancee is actually sited and I'm blind, she's been around blind people
>> growing up, so she's very much accustomed to dating a blind person.
>> We've met in person twice and it's been great.
>> Take care,
>> Doug
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley" <cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>
>>
>> Hello all,
>> Like some of the people who have posted already, I have had my own
>> experiences with dating, as well as simply meeting people online. As a
>> matter of fact, my current boyfriend is someone I met online, and he
>> is blind as well. We have been dating a little over a year now, and I
>> have also had the chance to meet him in person. I can say that some of
>> what we've been through, especially when we met, was both good and
>> bad, and even though he is blind, it was a little more disastrous
>> because of his family who are sighted. Well the first time we actually
>> got to "see" each other was through a webcam, and both families were
>> present, not only for discriptive purposes but also because of us
>> being long distance, and it was the only way the two families could
>> meet. About 6 months later I got to visit him in person, and that was
>> a little weird because he lives in another country, and a part of
>> another culture, and that in itself brings its own barriers. I
>> actually stayed at his house with his family, and I imagine it was
>> hard on them because they've never dealt with another blind person
>> besides him, and he is not as independent as I am. I have also met
>> sighted people online, but I did not meet them through dating sites. I
>> met them through pages we both visit, (blogs, etc), and in my opinion,
>> that's better because you're actually meeting people you have things
>> in common with, regardless of whether you date or not, and like most
>> people have said already, one of the main things to consider when
>> dating someone, blind or sighted, is what kinds of things you share in
>> common with the other person. I personally have never dated a sighted
>> person, but I have made some interesting friends online who are
>> sighted. Some know I'm blind, and some do not, but not because I
>> haven't wanted to tell them. I don't meet these people in person
>> mainly because most of them are not from the U.S. and therefore it
>> really hasn't come up. Besides, I'm not as close to them, and we
>> mainly talk about music, which is what i have in common with most of
>> these people I meet anyway. I have also met blind friends online, and
>> basically the same goes for them. So as most people have already said,
>> I don't think it's that much different dating a sighted person from a
>> blind person. A blind person might be a little more understanding
>> considering they go through some of the same things. But on the other
>> side, that may not always be the case, if the person isn't completely
>> adjusted to their blindness, or they have been with their family their
>> entire life, and don't really understand the independence issue such
>> as in my case. So I think dating both blind and sighted people can
>> have their ups and downs, and it's just a matter of knowing how to
>> handle each situation as it comes. Good luck.
>>
>>
>> On 3/22/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I have a little experience with online dating, but not much. I was on
>> a dating site for a year or so and chatted with a few guys but didn't
>> find anyone I actually wanted to meet in person. I have a lot of
>> friends (sighted and blind) who do online dating and I've heard the
>> whole gamut, from happily-ever-after marriages to disastrous first
>> dates and a few people who walked away after my friend's blindness was
>> revealed online. It really doesn't hurt to try it. If you do find
>> someone you like and want to meet, it's best to meet them in a public
>> place. But there's nothing dangerous about just putting a profile up
>> and seeing what happens.
>> Some dating sites are free and others charge a fee for joining.
>> Interestingly, the site I used was free, and when I was visiting my
>> sister and her roommate they were checking out one of the paid sites.
>> I told them about the free site I was on and they looked at it and
>> said they thought the guys on the free site were a lot more attractive
>> and appealing than the guys on the paid one. So it's possible the
>> people you might meet on a free site are less "desperate" and hence
>> are better catches.
>> I'm sure there's a lot of debate about when to reveal blindness during
>> an online dating encounter. Some people put it in their profiles,
>> others wait until the first meeting and still others reveal it at some
>> point in the middle. I'd tend to treat it like a job interview and
>> reveal blindness after I've connected with someone online but before
>> we meet in person so they aren't totally shocked or freaked out when
>> they see me. Unfortunately rejections due to blindness can happen at
>> any point in the process. You'll have to decide whether you would
>> prefer to take that risk earlier on or to give them a chance to get to
>> know you before they learn about your blindness.
>> Regarding dating blind vs. sighted people: Like many of us I have done
>> both. I never consciously decided that I wanted to date a blind person
>> or a sighted person, and I would not recommend that line of thinking.
>> I simply dated guys with whom I felt a connection and who felt the
>> same way toward me, regardless of whether or not they were blind. I
>> will say that in some ways establishing the initial relationship was
>> easier with blind guys, because I didn't have to wonder about what
>> nonverbal signals they were sending or how they might interpret my
>> nonverbal signals. However, when I try to compare the relationship I
>> have had with my sighted boyfriend over the past three years with the
>> other relationships I have had with blind guys, I really can't think
>> of any major differences. I do think that regardless of blindness
>> status, it's important for you and your partner to share interests and
>> passions in common. NFB and blindness are passions that many of us
>> share, and they help bring many blind couples together. However, there
>> are other interests or passions you may share with sighted folks
>> around you, and finding a partner who shares one of those passions
>> with you can be similarly rewarding. In other words, instead of
>> deciding who to date based on whether they are sighted or blind, I
>> think it's more helpful to choose based on how much you share in
>> common with them. I know that for us blind folks it can be hard to
>> meet and connect with people at bars or large gatherings like singles'
>> parties. But if you can find communities of people that share your
>> interests-whether that be your local NFB chapter or student division,
>> classes, church groups or clubs you might be in-that's a much better
>> way to build lasting connections.
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 3/22/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oops, I missed a point: I wouldn't go to an NFB convention simply for
>> the dating scene. I'm sure relationships do develop at things like
>> that, however most people are going to be preoccupied with general
>> sessions, exhibits, orientation around a huge massive hotel, etc etc
>> to really pay attention to who's around them for dating.
>>
>> Later.
>>
>> On 22.03.2012, Nimer M. Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Robin,
>>
>> Or you could just go ahead and do the online dating thing and learn
>> from it. It has turned out well for some, and not so well for others.
>> As for the sighted vs. blind thing, I would ask what you want. Not
>> dating a blind person simply because you think you'll look cool and
>> more independent for dating a sighted person will limit your options,
>> just like not dating a sighted person because you're afraid of being
>> rejected is crazy as well. We're all individuals. Many blind people
>> have underlying disabilities, some may not be adjusted to their
>> blindness completely, etc etc but you wouldn't have to necessarily
>> feel self-conscious about the blindness issues, your appearance, etc
>> etc. Sighted people in my experience are going to ask many questions.
>> Especially at first, you'll probably have to do a whole lot more
>> educating than dating, and it might get annoying, but many are willing
>> to learn and it could work out. As for good dating sites ... why not
>> just getting onto the social networks like Facebook and put your
>> status as single? Maybe attend some of the singles conferences that
>> are out there? And if someone interests you, then go after them
>> (whether online or not).
>>
>> Anyway, talk to you later and peace. May you have much luck with your
>> dating search.
>>
>> Nimer J
>>
>> On 22.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> Also, it has been proven, that there are people on chat sites, that
>> pretend to be something, to get your attention, and then when you meet
>> them, they're a criminal.
>> Be careful, and meet people one on one, and in person.
>> Come to the NFB convention, and you might meet someone, and oh yes,
>> there are sighted members in the NFB, as well!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 3/22/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I have never gone on to any of the online dating sites, but I would
>> be
>> very
>> careful because a person online is not as friendly or charming as
>> they
>> appear to be over emails. I have dated very few blind people and find
>> that
>> there is always a focus on blindness in the relationship and I feel
>> that
>> is
>> a negative thing at times because we all live with blindness on a
>> daily
>> basis and want to know we are more than our blindness. I have found
>> there
>> are a lot of people open to dating a blind person expecially when
>> they
>> are
>> confident and out going. I have been in a relationship with a sited
>> person
>> for 3 years and things are wonderful.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robin" <robinmel71 at earthlink.net
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:47 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>
>>
>> Hello to everyone,
>> I am just wondering if anyone has had any experience with online
>> dating
>> and if so what sites would you recommend? What experiences have you
>> had
>> with dating sighted people vs dating blind people? I look forward to
>> hearing your stories.
>>
>>
>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>> Perhaps
>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a
>> breeze
>>
>> among flowers.
>> Hellen Keller
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> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:56:45 -0500
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
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>> assistive technology? Even though I'm going to school for massage therapy,
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> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:18:59 -0400
> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
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> Dez,
>
> I've never been in contact with blind women in my age bracket  who have
> succeeded in life like I have.  I myself have standards just like yours and
> use these on sighted people as well as blind people.  If I had an actual NFB
> chapter full of blind people like my self in my area It would be much easier
> for me to network and make blind friends.  My parents had beliefs similar to
> your parents because I never grew up around the NFB.  In fact I've just
> recently discovered this organization in the past few years.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Desiree Oudinot" <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 8:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>
>
>> That's a pretty big generalization. I understand that our life
>> experiences shape our views, and more importantly, our prejudices, but
>> that doesn't mean that all blind women are what you're saying they
>> are. In fact, I've met just as many blind young men who are what you
>> describe. Also, you don't know the circumstances of every blind person
>> who's still living at home. Of course, if you're talking about former
>> dating partners, I would assume you did, but I would encourage you to
>> have a little compassion and sensitivity to whatever emotional issues
>> they might be facing that cause them to have no desire to leave home.
>> Are they afraid of failure? Have their parents belittled, degraded, or
>> even abused them due to their blindness?
>> I understand that there are blind people, women and men, old and
>> young, who have a chip on their shoulder and an entitlement complex a
>> mile long. But you know what? You can choose not to associate with
>> those people. Discouraging a kid from dating blind people is quite
>> another thing though.
>> My mom once told me when I was in high school and complaining about a
>> relationship that didn't work out, "blind people are screwed up in the
>> head. You shouldn't be dating them." By saying that, no matter how
>> well-intentioned her response was, she was putting me in the same
>> category. Can you imagine how I felt? To top it all off, in high
>> school, relationships don't last forever, so that made it doubly
>> hurtful.
>> To summarize, I have no problem dating a blind or sighted person. I've
>> dated both, and have had good and bad experiences with both. I also
>> don't shy away from being supportive of people who might not be as
>> strong as you and I are. Growing up, I never had much support from
>> anyone. I've made a promise to myself that I won't repeat that pattern
>> in my adulthood. Now, if a person is clearly trying to mooch off the
>> system, throws a pity party constantly, refuses to practice good
>> hygiene, and is grossly overweight due to perpetual inactivity, of
>> course I won't date them. But those are my standards, and aren't
>> limited to blindness. I wouldn't date a sighted person with those
>> traits either.
>>
>> On 3/25/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> In my experiences with visually handicapped women most of them I've
>>> encountered that are at my age level are uneducated and still living
>>> under
>>> their parents roof.  My rule is that any woman I date should be on the
>>> same
>>> level both chronologically and mentally as I am.  I've graduated college
>>> and
>>> have been on my own since 2003. I am very independent.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "jeff crouch" <jeffanel at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yeah, I would like to try dating a VI Girl, just to see what it would
>>>> be like, But unfornchely their is no one hear in flint.
>>>>
>>>> On 3/25/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Me neither.  But I am just warning Jeff to be careful.  Back then when
>>>>> I
>>>>> went on dates I enjoyed myself very much. But I noticed during the High
>>>>> School years most girls weren't as accepting of me and I had more luck
>>>>> with
>>>>> dating during college than high school.  But again during the few times
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> dated as a teen I had fun.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 9:43 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't see anything wrong with dating during high school. It was
>>>>>>fun!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Brian Hatgelakas
>>>>>> <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Jeff my advice to you is wait until college to start dating. I did
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> and am very happy I did.    By doing this the women by the time you
>>>>>>> enter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> college will be much more mature and accepting of your blindness
>>>>>>> situation. Right now as a teenager make friends and don't get caught
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> in something you know won't last.  Because at your age its mostly
>>>>>>> figuring out who you are and that's the same for girls.  Good luck in
>>>>>>> your studies and don't worry as you get older your chance to date
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hear before you know it.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff crouch" <jeffanel at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:11 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ah, it must be nice being of legal age, but i am 15, and I would
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> to be in a releasonship, but the practicablity of this happening is
>>>>>>>> slim, with school, and extra crickler activatives things would not
>>>>>>>> really work out, but as i said, it would be nice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in a onist way of putting it, from a adault point of view, it would
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> pointless for me to get in a releationship because it is just over
>>>>>>>> reactive hormons that would get in the way and then after a wile
>>>>>>>> things would simmer down, and hear that person go's, on the hunt
>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> this is my point of view
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but i think you would have good luck in the online dating world, but
>>>>>>>> as one of the posters said, becareful, i know from experence, my
>>>>>>>> friend did that online stuff, and then well to putt it i have not
>>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>>> her for quite some years, she went missing, so be careful
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> don't mean to sound like a dad, lol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> every one have a good day, and if anyone needs to contact me, you
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> email me at
>>>>>>>> jeffanel at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> kd8qiq at arrl.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> with love and respect
>>>>>>>> Jeff Crouch
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/24/12, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello doug,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Congratulations on your upcoming nuptials with you and mellissa.
>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>> sooo
>>>>>>>>> happy for the both of you! Here's wishing you both good health and
>>>>>>>>> happiness.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take care and, I will talk to you soon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hugs,
>>>>>>>>> amy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Oliver
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:05 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> we are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:28 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doug, good luck with your fiancee.  I hope the two of you are
>>>>>>>>> still working.
>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Doug Oliver" <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:54:51 -0500
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna way in on this topic.
>>>>>>>>> My fiancee is actually sited and I'm blind, she's been around
>>>>>>>>> blind people
>>>>>>>>> growing up, so she's very much accustomed to dating a blind
>>>>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>>>> We've met in person twice and it's been great.
>>>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Ashley" <cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:42 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>> Like some of the people who have posted already, I have had my
>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>> experiences with dating, as well as simply meeting people online.
>>>>>>>>> As a
>>>>>>>>> matter of fact, my current boyfriend is someone I met online, and
>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>> is blind as well. We have been dating a little over a year now,
>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>> have also had the chance to meet him in person. I can say that
>>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>>> what we've been through, especially when we met, was both good
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> bad, and even though he is blind, it was a little more disastrous
>>>>>>>>> because of his family who are sighted. Well the first time we
>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>> got to "see" each other was through a webcam, and both families
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> present, not only for descriptive purposes but also because of us
>>>>>>>>> being long distance, and it was the only way the two families
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> meet. About 6 months later I got to visit him in person, and that
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> a little weird because he lives in another country, and a part of
>>>>>>>>> another culture, and that in itself brings its own barriers. I
>>>>>>>>> actually stayed at his house with his family, and I imagine it
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> hard on them because they've never dealt with another blind
>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>> besides him, and he is not as independent as I am. I have also
>>>>>>>>> met
>>>>>>>>> sighted people online, but I did not meet them through dating
>>>>>>>>> sites. I
>>>>>>>>> met them through pages we both visit, (blogs, etc), and in my
>>>>>>>>> opinion,
>>>>>>>>> that's better because you're actually meeting people you have
>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>> in common with, regardless of whether you date or not, and like
>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>> people have said already, one of the main things to consider when
>>>>>>>>> dating someone, blind or sighted, is what kinds of things you
>>>>>>>>> share in
>>>>>>>>> common with the other person. I personally have never dated a
>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>> person, but I have made some interesting friends online who are
>>>>>>>>> sighted. Some know I'm blind, and some do not, but not because I
>>>>>>>>> haven't wanted to tell them. I don't meet these people in person
>>>>>>>>> mainly because most of them are not from the U.S. and therefore
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> really hasn't come up. Besides, I'm not as close to them, and we
>>>>>>>>> mainly talk about music, which is what i have in common with most
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> these people I meet anyway. I have also met blind friends online,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> basically the same goes for them. So as most people have already
>>>>>>>>> said,
>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's that much different dating a sighted person
>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>> blind person. A blind person might be a little more understanding
>>>>>>>>> considering they go through some of the same things. But on the
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> side, that may not always be the case, if the person isn't
>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>> adjusted to their blindness, or they have been with their family
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> entire life, and don't really understand the independence issue
>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>> as in my case. So I think dating both blind and sighted people
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> have their ups and downs, and it's just a matter of knowing how
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> handle each situation as it comes. Good luck.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>> I have a little experience with online dating, but not much. I
>>>>>>>>> was on
>>>>>>>>> a dating site for a year or so and chatted with a few guys but
>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>> find anyone I actually wanted to meet in person. I have a lot of
>>>>>>>>> friends (sighted and blind) who do online dating and I've heard
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> whole gamut, from happily-ever-after marriages to disastrous
>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>> dates and a few people who walked away after my friend's
>>>>>>>>> blindness was
>>>>>>>>> revealed online. It really doesn't hurt to try it. If you do
>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>> someone you like and want to meet, it's best to meet them in a
>>>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>>>> place. But there's nothing dangerous about just putting a
>>>>>>>>> profile up
>>>>>>>>> and seeing what happens.
>>>>>>>>> Some dating sites are free and others charge a fee for joining.
>>>>>>>>> Interestingly, the site I used was free, and when I was visiting
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> sister and her roommate they were checking out one of the paid
>>>>>>>>> sites.
>>>>>>>>> I told them about the free site I was on and they looked at it
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> said they thought the guys on the free site were a lot more
>>>>>>>>> attractive
>>>>>>>>> and appealing than the guys on the paid one. So it's possible
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> people you might meet on a free site are less "desperate" and
>>>>>>>>> hence
>>>>>>>>> are better catches.
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there's a lot of debate about when to reveal blindness
>>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>> an online dating encounter. Some people put it in their
>>>>>>>>> profiles,
>>>>>>>>> others wait until the first meeting and still others reveal it
>>>>>>>>> at some
>>>>>>>>> point in the middle. I'd tend to treat it like a job interview
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> reveal blindness after I've connected with someone online but
>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>> we meet in person so they aren't totally shocked or freaked out
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> they see me. Unfortunately rejections due to blindness can
>>>>>>>>> happen at
>>>>>>>>> any point in the process. You'll have to decide whether you
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> prefer to take that risk earlier on or to give them a chance to
>>>>>>>>> get to
>>>>>>>>> know you before they learn about your blindness.
>>>>>>>>> Regarding dating blind vs. sighted people: Like many of us I
>>>>>>>>> have done
>>>>>>>>> both. I never consciously decided that I wanted to date a blind
>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>> or a sighted person, and I would not recommend that line of
>>>>>>>>> thinking.
>>>>>>>>> I simply dated guys with whom I felt a connection and who felt
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> same way toward me, regardless of whether or not they were
>>>>>>>>> blind. I
>>>>>>>>> will say that in some ways establishing the initial relationship
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> easier with blind guys, because I didn't have to wonder about
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> nonverbal signals they were sending or how they might interpret
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> nonverbal signals. However, when I try to compare the
>>>>>>>>> relationship I
>>>>>>>>> have had with my sighted boyfriend over the past three years
>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>> other relationships I have had with blind guys, I really can't
>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>> of any major differences. I do think that regardless of
>>>>>>>>> blindness
>>>>>>>>> status, it's important for you and your partner to share
>>>>>>>>> interests and
>>>>>>>>> passions in common. NFB and blindness are passions that many of
>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>> share, and they help bring many blind couples together. However,
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> are other interests or passions you may share with sighted folks
>>>>>>>>> around you, and finding a partner who shares one of those
>>>>>>>>> passions
>>>>>>>>> with you can be similarly rewarding. In other words, instead of
>>>>>>>>> deciding who to date based on whether they are sighted or blind,
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> think it's more helpful to choose based on how much you share in
>>>>>>>>> common with them. I know that for us blind folks it can be hard
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> meet and connect with people at bars or large gatherings like
>>>>>>>>> singles'
>>>>>>>>> parties. But if you can find communities of people that share
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> interests-whether that be your local NFB chapter or student
>>>>>>>>> division,
>>>>>>>>> classes, church groups or clubs you might be in-that's a much
>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>> way to build lasting connections.
>>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Oops, I missed a point: I wouldn't go to an NFB convention
>>>>>>>>> simply for
>>>>>>>>> the dating scene. I'm sure relationships do develop at things
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> that, however most people are going to be preoccupied with
>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>> sessions, exhibits, orientation around a huge massive hotel, etc
>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>> to really pay attention to who's around them for dating.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Later.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Nimer M. Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello Robin,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or you could just go ahead and do the online dating thing and
>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>> from it. It has turned out well for some, and not so well for
>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>> As for the sighted vs. blind thing, I would ask what you want.
>>>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>>>> dating a blind person simply because you think you'll look cool
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> more independent for dating a sighted person will limit your
>>>>>>>>> options,
>>>>>>>>> just like not dating a sighted person because you're afraid of
>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>> rejected is crazy as well. We're all individuals. Many blind
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> have underlying disabilities, some may not be adjusted to their
>>>>>>>>> blindness completely, etc but you wouldn't have to
>>>>>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>>>>> feel self-conscious about the blindness issues, your appearance,
>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>> etc. Sighted people in my experience are going to ask many
>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>> Especially at first, you'll probably have to do a whole lot more
>>>>>>>>> educating than dating, and it might get annoying, but many are
>>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>>> to learn and it could work out. As for good dating sites ... why
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> just getting onto the social networks like Facebook and put your
>>>>>>>>> status as single? Maybe attend some of the singles conferences
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> are out there? And if someone interests you, then go after them
>>>>>>>>> (whether online or not).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, talk to you later and peace. May you have much luck with
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> dating search.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Also, it has been proven, that there are people on chat sites,
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> pretend to be something, to get your attention, and then when
>>>>>>>>> you meet
>>>>>>>>> them, they're a criminal.
>>>>>>>>> Be careful, and meet people one on one, and in person.
>>>>>>>>> Come to the NFB convention, and you might meet someone, and oh
>>>>>>>>> yes,
>>>>>>>>> there are sighted members in the NFB, as well!
>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> I have never gone on to any of the online dating sites, but I
>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>> careful because a person online is not as friendly or charming
>>>>>>>>> as they
>>>>>>>>> appear to be over emails. I have dated very few blind people and
>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> there is always a focus on blindness in the relationship and I
>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> a negative thing at times because we all live with blindness on
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> daily
>>>>>>>>> basis and want to know we are more than our blindness. I have
>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> are a lot of people open to dating a blind person especially
>>>>>>>>> when they
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> confident and out going. I have been in a relationship with a
>>>>>>>>> sited
>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>> for 3 years and things are wonderful.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Robin" <robinmel71 at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:47 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello to everyone,
>>>>>>>>> I am just wondering if anyone has had any experience with online
>>>>>>>>> dating
>>>>>>>>> and if so what sites would you recommend? What experiences have
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>> with dating sighted people vs dating blind people? I look
>>>>>>>>> forward to
>>>>>>>>> hearing your stories.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague,
>>>>>>>>> like a
>>>>>>>>> breeze
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> among flowers.
>>>>>>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>>>>>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:21:48 -0400
> From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
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> Joshua,
>
> LWSB is not a school, and I definitely wouldn't recommend it for
> several reasons. First, the program is being modified heavily under
> the influence of a new tech instructor they've just hired, so I would
> say wait till everything's worked out. Second, there are quite a few
> places where mentioning "LWSB" will not land you work because of its
> reputation in the past. And, as mentioned, it is not a school which
> means that you really can't depend on it for finding any kind of
> employment.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On 25.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> http://www.lwsb.org
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 3/25/12, Kayla Paige <kayla.mattox at cox.net> wrote:
>>> Hi, I have a question. What kind of school would you go to for a career
>>> in
>>> assistive technology? Even though I'm going to school for massage
>>> therapy,
>>> my other interest is assistive technology. Thanks.
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:23:54 -0400
> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
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> Josh,
>
> I do part time at a commercial station already!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>
>
>> Hi, Brian.
>> I know plenty of blind women, who are endependent!
>> Didn't you say in a previous post, that you were an aspiring DJ?
>> Why not try to apply to work for this station?
>> http://www.wics.cc
>> The owner of this station, is an endependent blind woman!
>> Please try to show more compassion!
>> Thanks, Desiree, for the great post!
>> I'm in agreement with you!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 3/25/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> In my experiences with visually handicapped women most of them I've
>>> encountered that are at my age level are uneducated and still living
>>> under
>>> their parents roof.  My rule is that any woman I date should be on the
>>> same
>>> level both chronologically and mentally as I am.  I've graduated college
>>> and
>>> have been on my own since 2003. I am very independent.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "jeff crouch" <jeffanel at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yeah, I would like to try dating a VI Girl, just to see what it would
>>>> be like, But unfornchely their is no one hear in flint.
>>>>
>>>> On 3/25/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Me neither.  But I am just warning Jeff to be careful.  Back then when
>>>>> I
>>>>> went on dates I enjoyed myself very much. But I noticed during the High
>>>>> School years most girls weren't as accepting of me and I had more luck
>>>>> with
>>>>> dating during college than high school.  But again during the few times
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> dated as a teen I had fun.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 9:43 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't see anything wrong with dating during high school. It was
>>>>>>fun!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Brian Hatgelakas
>>>>>> <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Jeff my advice to you is wait until college to start dating. I did
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> and am very happy I did.    By doing this the women by the time you
>>>>>>> enter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> college will be much more mature and accepting of your blindness
>>>>>>> situation. Right now as a teenager make friends and don't get caught
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> in something you know won't last.  Because at your age its mostly
>>>>>>> figuring out who you are and that's the same for girls.  Good luck in
>>>>>>> your studies and don't worry as you get older your chance to date
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hear before you know it.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff crouch" <jeffanel at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:11 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ah, it must be nice being of legal age, but i am 15, and I would
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> to be in a releasonship, but the practicablity of this happening is
>>>>>>>> slim, with school, and extra crickler activatives things would not
>>>>>>>> really work out, but as i said, it would be nice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in a onist way of putting it, from a adault point of view, it would
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> pointless for me to get in a releationship because it is just over
>>>>>>>> reactive hormons that would get in the way and then after a wile
>>>>>>>> things would simmer down, and hear that person go's, on the hunt
>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> this is my point of view
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but i think you would have good luck in the online dating world, but
>>>>>>>> as one of the posters said, becareful, i know from experence, my
>>>>>>>> friend did that online stuff, and then well to putt it i have not
>>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>>> her for quite some years, she went missing, so be careful
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> don't mean to sound like a dad, lol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> every one have a good day, and if anyone needs to contact me, you
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> email me at
>>>>>>>> jeffanel at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> kd8qiq at arrl.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> with love and respect
>>>>>>>> Jeff Crouch
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/24/12, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello doug,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Congratulations on your upcoming nuptials with you and mellissa.
>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>> sooo
>>>>>>>>> happy for the both of you! Here's wishing you both good health and
>>>>>>>>> happiness.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Take care and, I will talk to you soon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hugs,
>>>>>>>>> amy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Oliver
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:05 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> we are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:28 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doug, good luck with your fiancee.  I hope the two of you are
>>>>>>>>> still working.
>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Doug Oliver" <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:54:51 -0500
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna way in on this topic.
>>>>>>>>> My fiancee is actually sited and I'm blind, she's been around
>>>>>>>>> blind people
>>>>>>>>> growing up, so she's very much accustomed to dating a blind
>>>>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>>>> We've met in person twice and it's been great.
>>>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Ashley" <cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:42 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>> Like some of the people who have posted already, I have had my
>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>> experiences with dating, as well as simply meeting people online.
>>>>>>>>> As a
>>>>>>>>> matter of fact, my current boyfriend is someone I met online, and
>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>> is blind as well. We have been dating a little over a year now,
>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>> have also had the chance to meet him in person. I can say that
>>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>>> what we've been through, especially when we met, was both good
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> bad, and even though he is blind, it was a little more disastrous
>>>>>>>>> because of his family who are sighted. Well the first time we
>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>> got to "see" each other was through a webcam, and both families
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> present, not only for descriptive purposes but also because of us
>>>>>>>>> being long distance, and it was the only way the two families
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> meet. About 6 months later I got to visit him in person, and that
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> a little weird because he lives in another country, and a part of
>>>>>>>>> another culture, and that in itself brings its own barriers. I
>>>>>>>>> actually stayed at his house with his family, and I imagine it
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> hard on them because they've never dealt with another blind
>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>> besides him, and he is not as independent as I am. I have also
>>>>>>>>> met
>>>>>>>>> sighted people online, but I did not meet them through dating
>>>>>>>>> sites. I
>>>>>>>>> met them through pages we both visit, (blogs, etc), and in my
>>>>>>>>> opinion,
>>>>>>>>> that's better because you're actually meeting people you have
>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>> in common with, regardless of whether you date or not, and like
>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>> people have said already, one of the main things to consider when
>>>>>>>>> dating someone, blind or sighted, is what kinds of things you
>>>>>>>>> share in
>>>>>>>>> common with the other person. I personally have never dated a
>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>> person, but I have made some interesting friends online who are
>>>>>>>>> sighted. Some know I'm blind, and some do not, but not because I
>>>>>>>>> haven't wanted to tell them. I don't meet these people in person
>>>>>>>>> mainly because most of them are not from the U.S. and therefore
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> really hasn't come up. Besides, I'm not as close to them, and we
>>>>>>>>> mainly talk about music, which is what i have in common with most
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> these people I meet anyway. I have also met blind friends online,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> basically the same goes for them. So as most people have already
>>>>>>>>> said,
>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's that much different dating a sighted person
>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>> blind person. A blind person might be a little more understanding
>>>>>>>>> considering they go through some of the same things. But on the
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> side, that may not always be the case, if the person isn't
>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>> adjusted to their blindness, or they have been with their family
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> entire life, and don't really understand the independence issue
>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>> as in my case. So I think dating both blind and sighted people
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> have their ups and downs, and it's just a matter of knowing how
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> handle each situation as it comes. Good luck.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>> I have a little experience with online dating, but not much. I
>>>>>>>>> was on
>>>>>>>>> a dating site for a year or so and chatted with a few guys but
>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>> find anyone I actually wanted to meet in person. I have a lot of
>>>>>>>>> friends (sighted and blind) who do online dating and I've heard
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> whole gamut, from happily-ever-after marriages to disastrous
>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>> dates and a few people who walked away after my friend's
>>>>>>>>> blindness was
>>>>>>>>> revealed online. It really doesn't hurt to try it. If you do
>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>> someone you like and want to meet, it's best to meet them in a
>>>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>>>> place. But there's nothing dangerous about just putting a
>>>>>>>>> profile up
>>>>>>>>> and seeing what happens.
>>>>>>>>> Some dating sites are free and others charge a fee for joining.
>>>>>>>>> Interestingly, the site I used was free, and when I was visiting
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> sister and her roommate they were checking out one of the paid
>>>>>>>>> sites.
>>>>>>>>> I told them about the free site I was on and they looked at it
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> said they thought the guys on the free site were a lot more
>>>>>>>>> attractive
>>>>>>>>> and appealing than the guys on the paid one. So it's possible
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> people you might meet on a free site are less "desperate" and
>>>>>>>>> hence
>>>>>>>>> are better catches.
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there's a lot of debate about when to reveal blindness
>>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>> an online dating encounter. Some people put it in their
>>>>>>>>> profiles,
>>>>>>>>> others wait until the first meeting and still others reveal it
>>>>>>>>> at some
>>>>>>>>> point in the middle. I'd tend to treat it like a job interview
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> reveal blindness after I've connected with someone online but
>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>> we meet in person so they aren't totally shocked or freaked out
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> they see me. Unfortunately rejections due to blindness can
>>>>>>>>> happen at
>>>>>>>>> any point in the process. You'll have to decide whether you
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> prefer to take that risk earlier on or to give them a chance to
>>>>>>>>> get to
>>>>>>>>> know you before they learn about your blindness.
>>>>>>>>> Regarding dating blind vs. sighted people: Like many of us I
>>>>>>>>> have done
>>>>>>>>> both. I never consciously decided that I wanted to date a blind
>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>> or a sighted person, and I would not recommend that line of
>>>>>>>>> thinking.
>>>>>>>>> I simply dated guys with whom I felt a connection and who felt
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> same way toward me, regardless of whether or not they were
>>>>>>>>> blind. I
>>>>>>>>> will say that in some ways establishing the initial relationship
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> easier with blind guys, because I didn't have to wonder about
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> nonverbal signals they were sending or how they might interpret
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> nonverbal signals. However, when I try to compare the
>>>>>>>>> relationship I
>>>>>>>>> have had with my sighted boyfriend over the past three years
>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>> other relationships I have had with blind guys, I really can't
>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>> of any major differences. I do think that regardless of
>>>>>>>>> blindness
>>>>>>>>> status, it's important for you and your partner to share
>>>>>>>>> interests and
>>>>>>>>> passions in common. NFB and blindness are passions that many of
>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>> share, and they help bring many blind couples together. However,
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> are other interests or passions you may share with sighted folks
>>>>>>>>> around you, and finding a partner who shares one of those
>>>>>>>>> passions
>>>>>>>>> with you can be similarly rewarding. In other words, instead of
>>>>>>>>> deciding who to date based on whether they are sighted or blind,
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> think it's more helpful to choose based on how much you share in
>>>>>>>>> common with them. I know that for us blind folks it can be hard
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> meet and connect with people at bars or large gatherings like
>>>>>>>>> singles'
>>>>>>>>> parties. But if you can find communities of people that share
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> interests-whether that be your local NFB chapter or student
>>>>>>>>> division,
>>>>>>>>> classes, church groups or clubs you might be in-that's a much
>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>> way to build lasting connections.
>>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Oops, I missed a point: I wouldn't go to an NFB convention
>>>>>>>>> simply for
>>>>>>>>> the dating scene. I'm sure relationships do develop at things
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> that, however most people are going to be preoccupied with
>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>> sessions, exhibits, orientation around a huge massive hotel, etc
>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>> to really pay attention to who's around them for dating.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Later.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Nimer M. Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello Robin,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or you could just go ahead and do the online dating thing and
>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>> from it. It has turned out well for some, and not so well for
>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>> As for the sighted vs. blind thing, I would ask what you want.
>>>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>>>> dating a blind person simply because you think you'll look cool
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> more independent for dating a sighted person will limit your
>>>>>>>>> options,
>>>>>>>>> just like not dating a sighted person because you're afraid of
>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>> rejected is crazy as well. We're all individuals. Many blind
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> have underlying disabilities, some may not be adjusted to their
>>>>>>>>> blindness completely, etc but you wouldn't have to
>>>>>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>>>>> feel self-conscious about the blindness issues, your appearance,
>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>> etc. Sighted people in my experience are going to ask many
>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>> Especially at first, you'll probably have to do a whole lot more
>>>>>>>>> educating than dating, and it might get annoying, but many are
>>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>>> to learn and it could work out. As for good dating sites ... why
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> just getting onto the social networks like Facebook and put your
>>>>>>>>> status as single? Maybe attend some of the singles conferences
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> are out there? And if someone interests you, then go after them
>>>>>>>>> (whether online or not).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, talk to you later and peace. May you have much luck with
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> dating search.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Also, it has been proven, that there are people on chat sites,
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> pretend to be something, to get your attention, and then when
>>>>>>>>> you meet
>>>>>>>>> them, they're a criminal.
>>>>>>>>> Be careful, and meet people one on one, and in person.
>>>>>>>>> Come to the NFB convention, and you might meet someone, and oh
>>>>>>>>> yes,
>>>>>>>>> there are sighted members in the NFB, as well!
>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> I have never gone on to any of the online dating sites, but I
>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>> careful because a person online is not as friendly or charming
>>>>>>>>> as they
>>>>>>>>> appear to be over emails. I have dated very few blind people and
>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> there is always a focus on blindness in the relationship and I
>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> a negative thing at times because we all live with blindness on
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> daily
>>>>>>>>> basis and want to know we are more than our blindness. I have
>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> are a lot of people open to dating a blind person especially
>>>>>>>>> when they
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> confident and out going. I have been in a relationship with a
>>>>>>>>> sited
>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>> for 3 years and things are wonderful.
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Robin" <robinmel71 at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:47 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello to everyone,
>>>>>>>>> I am just wondering if anyone has had any experience with online
>>>>>>>>> dating
>>>>>>>>> and if so what sites would you recommend? What experiences have
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>> with dating sighted people vs dating blind people? I look
>>>>>>>>> forward to
>>>>>>>>> hearing your stories.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague,
>>>>>>>>> like a
>>>>>>>>> breeze
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> among flowers.
>>>>>>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:27:53 -0400
> From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
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> Love your message Desiree, and I agree that generalizations aren't a
> good thing. I have met very few blinde men or women that would measure
> up to my physical and cognitive perceived abilities, but that doesn't
> mean they don't exist. On the other hand, I haven't met very many
> blind people in general, and many of the ones I have met also have
> some underlying condition or disability. It's important that if we do
> have standards, we ought to apply those same standards to everyone,
> whether sighted or blind. Unless of course one of your standards is
> that you're going to stick with dating a sighted person ...
>
> Later.
>
> On 25.03.2012, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Dez,
>>
>> I've never been in contact with blind women in my age bracket  who have
>> succeeded in life like I have.  I myself have standards just like yours
>> and
>> use these on sighted people as well as blind people.  If I had an actual
>> NFB
>> chapter full of blind people like my self in my area It would be much
>> easier
>> for me to network and make blind friends.  My parents had beliefs similar
>> to
>> your parents because I never grew up around the NFB.  In fact I've just
>> recently discovered this organization in the past few years.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Desiree Oudinot" <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 8:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>
>>
>>> That's a pretty big generalization. I understand that our life
>>> experiences shape our views, and more importantly, our prejudices, but
>>> that doesn't mean that all blind women are what you're saying they
>>> are. In fact, I've met just as many blind young men who are what you
>>> describe. Also, you don't know the circumstances of every blind person
>>> who's still living at home. Of course, if you're talking about former
>>> dating partners, I would assume you did, but I would encourage you to
>>> have a little compassion and sensitivity to whatever emotional issues
>>> they might be facing that cause them to have no desire to leave home.
>>> Are they afraid of failure? Have their parents belittled, degraded, or
>>> even abused them due to their blindness?
>>> I understand that there are blind people, women and men, old and
>>> young, who have a chip on their shoulder and an entitlement complex a
>>> mile long. But you know what? You can choose not to associate with
>>> those people. Discouraging a kid from dating blind people is quite
>>> another thing though.
>>> My mom once told me when I was in high school and complaining about a
>>> relationship that didn't work out, "blind people are screwed up in the
>>> head. You shouldn't be dating them." By saying that, no matter how
>>> well-intentioned her response was, she was putting me in the same
>>> category. Can you imagine how I felt? To top it all off, in high
>>> school, relationships don't last forever, so that made it doubly
>>> hurtful.
>>> To summarize, I have no problem dating a blind or sighted person. I've
>>> dated both, and have had good and bad experiences with both. I also
>>> don't shy away from being supportive of people who might not be as
>>> strong as you and I are. Growing up, I never had much support from
>>> anyone. I've made a promise to myself that I won't repeat that pattern
>>> in my adulthood. Now, if a person is clearly trying to mooch off the
>>> system, throws a pity party constantly, refuses to practice good
>>> hygiene, and is grossly overweight due to perpetual inactivity, of
>>> course I won't date them. But those are my standards, and aren't
>>> limited to blindness. I wouldn't date a sighted person with those
>>> traits either.
>>>
>>> On 3/25/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> In my experiences with visually handicapped women most of them I've
>>>> encountered that are at my age level are uneducated and still living
>>>> under
>>>> their parents roof.  My rule is that any woman I date should be on the
>>>> same
>>>> level both chronologically and mentally as I am.  I've graduated college
>>>> and
>>>> have been on my own since 2003. I am very independent.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "jeff crouch" <jeffanel at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:24 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I would like to try dating a VI Girl, just to see what it would
>>>>> be like, But unfornchely their is no one hear in flint.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/25/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Me neither.  But I am just warning Jeff to be careful.  Back then when
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> went on dates I enjoyed myself very much. But I noticed during the
>>>>>> High
>>>>>> School years most girls weren't as accepting of me and I had more luck
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> dating during college than high school.  But again during the few
>>>>>> times
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> dated as a teen I had fun.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 9:43 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't see anything wrong with dating during high school. It was
>>>>>>>fun!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 25, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Brian Hatgelakas
>>>>>>> <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Jeff my advice to you is wait until college to start dating. I did
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> and am very happy I did.    By doing this the women by the time you
>>>>>>>> enter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> college will be much more mature and accepting of your blindness
>>>>>>>> situation. Right now as a teenager make friends and don't get caught
>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> in something you know won't last.  Because at your age its mostly
>>>>>>>> figuring out who you are and that's the same for girls.  Good luck
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> your studies and don't worry as you get older your chance to date
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hear before you know it.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeff crouch"
>>>>>>>> <jeffanel at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:11 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ah, it must be nice being of legal age, but i am 15, and I would
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> to be in a releasonship, but the practicablity of this happening is
>>>>>>>>> slim, with school, and extra crickler activatives things would not
>>>>>>>>> really work out, but as i said, it would be nice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in a onist way of putting it, from a adault point of view, it would
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> pointless for me to get in a releationship because it is just over
>>>>>>>>> reactive hormons that would get in the way and then after a wile
>>>>>>>>> things would simmer down, and hear that person go's, on the hunt
>>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this is my point of view
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but i think you would have good luck in the online dating world,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> as one of the posters said, becareful, i know from experence, my
>>>>>>>>> friend did that online stuff, and then well to putt it i have not
>>>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>>>> her for quite some years, she went missing, so be careful
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> don't mean to sound like a dad, lol
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> every one have a good day, and if anyone needs to contact me, you
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> email me at
>>>>>>>>> jeffanel at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> kd8qiq at arrl.net
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with love and respect
>>>>>>>>> Jeff Crouch
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/24/12, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello doug,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Congratulations on your upcoming nuptials with you and mellissa.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>> sooo
>>>>>>>>>> happy for the both of you! Here's wishing you both good health and
>>>>>>>>>> happiness.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Take care and, I will talk to you soon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hugs,
>>>>>>>>>> amy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Oliver
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> we are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:28 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Doug, good luck with your fiancee.  I hope the two of you are
>>>>>>>>>> still working.
>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Doug Oliver" <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:54:51 -0500
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm gonna way in on this topic.
>>>>>>>>>> My fiancee is actually sited and I'm blind, she's been around
>>>>>>>>>> blind people
>>>>>>>>>> growing up, so she's very much accustomed to dating a blind
>>>>>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>>>>> We've met in person twice and it's been great.
>>>>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Ashley" <cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 7:42 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>> Like some of the people who have posted already, I have had my
>>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>> experiences with dating, as well as simply meeting people online.
>>>>>>>>>> As a
>>>>>>>>>> matter of fact, my current boyfriend is someone I met online, and
>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>> is blind as well. We have been dating a little over a year now,
>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>> have also had the chance to meet him in person. I can say that
>>>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>>>> what we've been through, especially when we met, was both good
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> bad, and even though he is blind, it was a little more disastrous
>>>>>>>>>> because of his family who are sighted. Well the first time we
>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>> got to "see" each other was through a webcam, and both families
>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>> present, not only for descriptive purposes but also because of us
>>>>>>>>>> being long distance, and it was the only way the two families
>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> meet. About 6 months later I got to visit him in person, and that
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> a little weird because he lives in another country, and a part of
>>>>>>>>>> another culture, and that in itself brings its own barriers. I
>>>>>>>>>> actually stayed at his house with his family, and I imagine it
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> hard on them because they've never dealt with another blind
>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>> besides him, and he is not as independent as I am. I have also
>>>>>>>>>> met
>>>>>>>>>> sighted people online, but I did not meet them through dating
>>>>>>>>>> sites. I
>>>>>>>>>> met them through pages we both visit, (blogs, etc), and in my
>>>>>>>>>> opinion,
>>>>>>>>>> that's better because you're actually meeting people you have
>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>> in common with, regardless of whether you date or not, and like
>>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>> people have said already, one of the main things to consider when
>>>>>>>>>> dating someone, blind or sighted, is what kinds of things you
>>>>>>>>>> share in
>>>>>>>>>> common with the other person. I personally have never dated a
>>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>>> person, but I have made some interesting friends online who are
>>>>>>>>>> sighted. Some know I'm blind, and some do not, but not because I
>>>>>>>>>> haven't wanted to tell them. I don't meet these people in person
>>>>>>>>>> mainly because most of them are not from the U.S. and therefore
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> really hasn't come up. Besides, I'm not as close to them, and we
>>>>>>>>>> mainly talk about music, which is what i have in common with most
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> these people I meet anyway. I have also met blind friends online,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> basically the same goes for them. So as most people have already
>>>>>>>>>> said,
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's that much different dating a sighted person
>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>> blind person. A blind person might be a little more understanding
>>>>>>>>>> considering they go through some of the same things. But on the
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> side, that may not always be the case, if the person isn't
>>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>>> adjusted to their blindness, or they have been with their family
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> entire life, and don't really understand the independence issue
>>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>>> as in my case. So I think dating both blind and sighted people
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> have their ups and downs, and it's just a matter of knowing how
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> handle each situation as it comes. Good luck.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>> I have a little experience with online dating, but not much. I
>>>>>>>>>> was on
>>>>>>>>>> a dating site for a year or so and chatted with a few guys but
>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>> find anyone I actually wanted to meet in person. I have a lot of
>>>>>>>>>> friends (sighted and blind) who do online dating and I've heard
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> whole gamut, from happily-ever-after marriages to disastrous
>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>> dates and a few people who walked away after my friend's
>>>>>>>>>> blindness was
>>>>>>>>>> revealed online. It really doesn't hurt to try it. If you do
>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>> someone you like and want to meet, it's best to meet them in a
>>>>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>>>>> place. But there's nothing dangerous about just putting a
>>>>>>>>>> profile up
>>>>>>>>>> and seeing what happens.
>>>>>>>>>> Some dating sites are free and others charge a fee for joining.
>>>>>>>>>> Interestingly, the site I used was free, and when I was visiting
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> sister and her roommate they were checking out one of the paid
>>>>>>>>>> sites.
>>>>>>>>>> I told them about the free site I was on and they looked at it
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> said they thought the guys on the free site were a lot more
>>>>>>>>>> attractive
>>>>>>>>>> and appealing than the guys on the paid one. So it's possible
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> people you might meet on a free site are less "desperate" and
>>>>>>>>>> hence
>>>>>>>>>> are better catches.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there's a lot of debate about when to reveal blindness
>>>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>> an online dating encounter. Some people put it in their
>>>>>>>>>> profiles,
>>>>>>>>>> others wait until the first meeting and still others reveal it
>>>>>>>>>> at some
>>>>>>>>>> point in the middle. I'd tend to treat it like a job interview
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> reveal blindness after I've connected with someone online but
>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>> we meet in person so they aren't totally shocked or freaked out
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>> they see me. Unfortunately rejections due to blindness can
>>>>>>>>>> happen at
>>>>>>>>>> any point in the process. You'll have to decide whether you
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> prefer to take that risk earlier on or to give them a chance to
>>>>>>>>>> get to
>>>>>>>>>> know you before they learn about your blindness.
>>>>>>>>>> Regarding dating blind vs. sighted people: Like many of us I
>>>>>>>>>> have done
>>>>>>>>>> both. I never consciously decided that I wanted to date a blind
>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>> or a sighted person, and I would not recommend that line of
>>>>>>>>>> thinking.
>>>>>>>>>> I simply dated guys with whom I felt a connection and who felt
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> same way toward me, regardless of whether or not they were
>>>>>>>>>> blind. I
>>>>>>>>>> will say that in some ways establishing the initial relationship
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> easier with blind guys, because I didn't have to wonder about
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> nonverbal signals they were sending or how they might interpret
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> nonverbal signals. However, when I try to compare the
>>>>>>>>>> relationship I
>>>>>>>>>> have had with my sighted boyfriend over the past three years
>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>> other relationships I have had with blind guys, I really can't
>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>> of any major differences. I do think that regardless of
>>>>>>>>>> blindness
>>>>>>>>>> status, it's important for you and your partner to share
>>>>>>>>>> interests and
>>>>>>>>>> passions in common. NFB and blindness are passions that many of
>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>> share, and they help bring many blind couples together. However,
>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>> are other interests or passions you may share with sighted folks
>>>>>>>>>> around you, and finding a partner who shares one of those
>>>>>>>>>> passions
>>>>>>>>>> with you can be similarly rewarding. In other words, instead of
>>>>>>>>>> deciding who to date based on whether they are sighted or blind,
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> think it's more helpful to choose based on how much you share in
>>>>>>>>>> common with them. I know that for us blind folks it can be hard
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> meet and connect with people at bars or large gatherings like
>>>>>>>>>> singles'
>>>>>>>>>> parties. But if you can find communities of people that share
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> interests-whether that be your local NFB chapter or student
>>>>>>>>>> division,
>>>>>>>>>> classes, church groups or clubs you might be in-that's a much
>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>> way to build lasting connections.
>>>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Oops, I missed a point: I wouldn't go to an NFB convention
>>>>>>>>>> simply for
>>>>>>>>>> the dating scene. I'm sure relationships do develop at things
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> that, however most people are going to be preoccupied with
>>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>>> sessions, exhibits, orientation around a huge massive hotel, etc
>>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>>> to really pay attention to who's around them for dating.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Later.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Nimer M. Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Robin,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or you could just go ahead and do the online dating thing and
>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>> from it. It has turned out well for some, and not so well for
>>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>> As for the sighted vs. blind thing, I would ask what you want.
>>>>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>>>>> dating a blind person simply because you think you'll look cool
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> more independent for dating a sighted person will limit your
>>>>>>>>>> options,
>>>>>>>>>> just like not dating a sighted person because you're afraid of
>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> rejected is crazy as well. We're all individuals. Many blind
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>> have underlying disabilities, some may not be adjusted to their
>>>>>>>>>> blindness completely, etc but you wouldn't have to
>>>>>>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>>>>>> feel self-conscious about the blindness issues, your appearance,
>>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>>> etc. Sighted people in my experience are going to ask many
>>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>> Especially at first, you'll probably have to do a whole lot more
>>>>>>>>>> educating than dating, and it might get annoying, but many are
>>>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>>>> to learn and it could work out. As for good dating sites ... why
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> just getting onto the social networks like Facebook and put your
>>>>>>>>>> status as single? Maybe attend some of the singles conferences
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> are out there? And if someone interests you, then go after them
>>>>>>>>>> (whether online or not).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, talk to you later and peace. May you have much luck with
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> dating search.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nimer J
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 22.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Also, it has been proven, that there are people on chat sites,
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> pretend to be something, to get your attention, and then when
>>>>>>>>>> you meet
>>>>>>>>>> them, they're a criminal.
>>>>>>>>>> Be careful, and meet people one on one, and in person.
>>>>>>>>>> Come to the NFB convention, and you might meet someone, and oh
>>>>>>>>>> yes,
>>>>>>>>>> there are sighted members in the NFB, as well!
>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/12, Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> I have never gone on to any of the online dating sites, but I
>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>> careful because a person online is not as friendly or charming
>>>>>>>>>> as they
>>>>>>>>>> appear to be over emails. I have dated very few blind people and
>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> there is always a focus on blindness in the relationship and I
>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> a negative thing at times because we all live with blindness on
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> daily
>>>>>>>>>> basis and want to know we are more than our blindness. I have
>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>> are a lot of people open to dating a blind person especially
>>>>>>>>>> when they
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> confident and out going. I have been in a relationship with a
>>>>>>>>>> sited
>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>> for 3 years and things are wonderful.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Robin" <robinmel71 at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating & Sighted-Blind-Low Vision
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello to everyone,
>>>>>>>>>> I am just wondering if anyone has had any experience with online
>>>>>>>>>> dating
>>>>>>>>>> and if so what sites would you recommend? What experiences have
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>> with dating sighted people vs dating blind people? I look
>>>>>>>>>> forward to
>>>>>>>>>> hearing your stories.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad.
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague,
>>>>>>>>>> like a
>>>>>>>>>> breeze
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> among flowers.
>>>>>>>>>> Hellen Keller
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> kd8qiq
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>
> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
> addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
> please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
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> attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
> up to you. Thanks.
>
> Registered Linux User 529141.
> http://counter.li.org/
> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator
> To get more information about a free and accessible operating system,
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 21:29:03 -0500
> From: Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com, 	National Association of Blind Students
> 	mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAO83KOuaFddEKJ0jqRB1KjDeQjN5YE_vO507nBh270f_DJchBQ at mail.gmail.com>
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> I attended there, under the influence of my VR counselor.
> What a mistake!
> I wanted to get in their AT program, but it was too full.
> They have an awesome ATI, (Assistive Technology Instructor,) program,
> that I would have highly recommended, if they had the instructor, that
> I had.
> We called her Ms Z.
> Anyone remember her?
> Blessings,Joshua
>
> On 3/25/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>>
>> LWSB is not a school, and I definitely wouldn't recommend it for
>> several reasons. First, the program is being modified heavily under
>> the influence of a new tech instructor they've just hired, so I would
>> say wait till everything's worked out. Second, there are quite a few
>> places where mentioning "LWSB" will not land you work because of its
>> reputation in the past. And, as mentioned, it is not a school which
>> means that you really can't depend on it for finding any kind of
>> employment.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On 25.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>> http://www.lwsb.org
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 3/25/12, Kayla Paige <kayla.mattox at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi, I have a question. What kind of school would you go to for a career
>>>> in
>>>> assistive technology? Even though I'm going to school for massage
>>>> therapy,
>>>> my other interest is assistive technology. Thanks.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
>> please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
>> correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
>> by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or
>> criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding
>> attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
>> up to you. Thanks.
>>
>> Registered Linux User 529141.
>> http://counter.li.org/
>> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator
>> To get more information about a free and accessible operating system,
>> please click here:
>> http://www.vinuxproject.org
>>
>> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
>> and above, please click here:
>> http://www.nvda-project.org
>>
>> You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.
>>
>> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here:
>> http://nimertech.blogspot.com
>>
>> To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720)
>> (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.
>>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:39:48 -0400
> From: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
> Message-ID:
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> Hi,
> So, if it's not a school, does that mean the accreditation is
> worthless? I'm just trying to understand that part of it. I wouldn't
> attend there, because I've heard some disturbing stories, to put it
> lightly, about sanitation issues in the dorms.
>
> On 3/25/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> I attended there, under the influence of my VR counselor.
>> What a mistake!
>> I wanted to get in their AT program, but it was too full.
>> They have an awesome ATI, (Assistive Technology Instructor,) program,
>> that I would have highly recommended, if they had the instructor, that
>> I had.
>> We called her Ms Z.
>> Anyone remember her?
>> Blessings,Joshua
>>
>> On 3/25/12, Nimer M. Jaber, IC? <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Joshua,
>>>
>>> LWSB is not a school, and I definitely wouldn't recommend it for
>>> several reasons. First, the program is being modified heavily under
>>> the influence of a new tech instructor they've just hired, so I would
>>> say wait till everything's worked out. Second, there are quite a few
>>> places where mentioning "LWSB" will not land you work because of its
>>> reputation in the past. And, as mentioned, it is not a school which
>>> means that you really can't depend on it for finding any kind of
>>> employment.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On 25.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>>>> http://www.lwsb.org
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 3/25/12, Kayla Paige <kayla.mattox at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi, I have a question. What kind of school would you go to for a career
>>>>> in
>>>>> assistive technology? Even though I'm going to school for massage
>>>>> therapy,
>>>>> my other interest is assistive technology. Thanks.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
>>> addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
>>> please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
>>> correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
>>> by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or
>>> criminal action. I have checked this email and all corresponding
>>> attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
>>> up to you. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Registered Linux User 529141.
>>> http://counter.li.org/
>>> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator
>>> To get more information about a free and accessible operating system,
>>> please click here:
>>> http://www.vinuxproject.org
>>>
>>> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
>>> and above, please click here:
>>> http://www.nvda-project.org
>>>
>>> You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.
>>>
>>> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here:
>>> http://nimertech.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (720)
>>> (251-4530) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.
>>>
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