[nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology

Fri Mar 30 00:24:02 UTC 2012

All these complaints against what we NFB members call 
"traditional rehab centers" and their policies make the NFB 
training centers and their practices that much better! From what 
I know about many of you from previous posts on this list, you 
like the NFB philosophy and the fact that we believe blind people 
can and should be expected to be as independent as we can.  So, 
why not go to an adult program at an NFB center? They offer the 
same type of program and teach the same skills as traditional 
facilities such as LWSB, but the NFB centers believe in teaching 
independence and won't force you to take a class you don't need.  
I encourage you all to check them out!

Chris Nusbaum

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From: "Brian Hatgelakas" <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net
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Why would they make you take a TDL class if you are already doing 
the stuff
on your own?  If I went to a center for a job placement program 
I'd show
them right away and try to opt out of the class.  Couldn't you 
have done
this.  Seams like those centers bring us independent people down 
to the
lowest level of people that don't know anything about living 
independently
at first before you can get to the programs you are actually 
paying for.
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From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
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They train people in Daily living skills, because I was forced to 
take
that TDL, (Techniques of Daily Living,) class!
I hated it, because it was stuff, I already knew, and was doing 
on my own!
Theresa Bailey taught it, and it was horible!
Blessings, Joshua

On 3/26/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> 
wrote:
 I thought that LWSB didn't train people on daily living skills.  
That's
 what
 I said!
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 Dear Brian,
 What are you refering to when you talk about the CCB job 
training program?
 Sincerely,
 Nathan

 On 3/26/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> 
wrote:
 I wasn't aware that LWSB offered programs similar to the Carol 
Center's
 and
 Colorado Center's!  I was always under the impression that it 
was solely
 a
 job training center AKA an ITT tech or a Western School Of 
Health And
 business!
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 Brian,
 it’s a training center that provides independent living and job
 training.
 They provide training in help desk support and other I T stuff.
 It’s a training facility,  not a job placement agency.  so, it 
will not
 gaurantee employment.
 I say let the programs run.  If you don't like it, don't go 
there, but
 they

 must  be helping some people improve their lives.

 Ashley

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 If no employment is provided why not terminate all programs 
accept the
 IRS
 program?  My question is how much money is being wasted by state
 agencies
 on
 useless programs at this center?  I believe someone needs to do 
an
 investigative article on this topic.
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 Joshua,

 The only programs that will hire directly from WSB are the IRS
 programs and they are not directly affiliated with WSB.  You can 
go to
 any other IRS class and get the same offered position.  WSB just
 happens to be the location of an IRS training sight.  The 
employees
 that teach those classes work directly for the IRS, and the 
computer
 network used is solely for the IRS which makes the IRS classes 
and WSB
 two separate entities in my mind.  Even if you wish to count the 
IRS
 classes as belonging to WSB, they have a bunch of other programs 
that
 will not provide employment once a program has been terminated 
and a
 client has graduated successfully.

 Thanks.

 On 25.03.2012, Nimer M.  Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> 
wrote:
 Joshua, she went to Tyler Texas to teach with Jan at the Tyler 
Light
 House.

 Desiree, as part of the ATI program, clients will receive a set 
amount
 of hours (that's not really counted) of practical experience 
which is
 the teaching of students for them that I mentioned, you receive 
an ic³
 certification which is outdated, hardly ever used or heard of, 
and
 mostly is unrelated to assistive technology, and because of my 
request
 that I put forward you now will attempt to pass the Freedom 
Scientific
 JAWS cert which again, isn't worth a whole lot seeing how it 
places
 much of its emphasis on how to access help and where to get 
training
 more than knowing how to most efficiently utilize the functions 
of the
 screen reader.  For all of this, the training supposedly takes 
nine
 months although I finished up in under four.  This was the old 
program.
 Now, the new instructor has been incorporating lessons on 
teaching
 modalities, eye conditions, making equipment recommendations and
 communicating with state Rehab counselors, etc etc.  You don't 
receive
 a certification in any of this, unless you call a little piece 
of
 paper and a pin from WSB telling you good job and that you 
graduated
 to be a certification.  This is why I don't consider WSB to be a
 school.  Technically I'm sure they have to have some 
accreditation or
 other to provide the services that they do, but I'm sure that if 
they
 are meeting the standards for it, they're barely doing so.  And
 sanitation issues in their buildings are pretty bad.  They have 
an
 antiquated heating and cooling system that can not be switched 
from
 heat to AC quickly meaning that they will only make the switch 
twice a
 year, there are many bugs and some of the food provided is
 unrecognizable, although when boar members are present they do a 
half
 decent job.

 Thanks.

 On 25.03.2012, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com> wrote:
 Hi,
 So, if it's not a school, does that mean the accreditation is
 worthless? I'm just trying to understand that part of it.  I 
wouldn't
 attend there, because I've heard some disturbing stories, to put 
it
 lightly, about sanitation issues in the dorms.

 On 3/25/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> 
wrote:
 I attended there, under the influence of my VR counselor.
 What a mistake!
 I wanted to get in their AT program, but it was too full.
 They have an awesome ATI, (Assistive Technology Instructor,) 
program,
 that I would have highly recommended, if they had the 
instructor,
 that
 I had.
 We called her Ms Z.
 Anyone remember her?
 Blessings,Joshua

 On 3/25/12, Nimer M.  Jaber, IC³ <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
 Joshua,

 LWSB is not a school, and I definitely wouldn't recommend it for
 several reasons.  First, the program is being modified heavily 
under
 the influence of a new tech instructor they've just hired, so I
 would
 say wait till everything's worked out.  Second, there are quite 
a few
 places where mentioning "LWSB" will not land you work because of 
its
 reputation in the past.  And, as mentioned, it is not a school 
which
 means that you really can't depend on it for finding any kind of
 employment.

 Thanks.

 On 25.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> 
wrote:
 http://www.lwsb.org
 Blessings, Joshua

 On 3/25/12, Kayla Paige <kayla.mattox at cox.net> wrote:
 Hi, I have a question.  What kind of school would you go to for 
a
 career
 in
 assistive technology? Even though I'm going to school for 
massage
 therapy,
 my other interest is assistive technology.  Thanks.
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