[nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology

Brian Hatgelakas brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net
Fri Mar 30 13:37:35 UTC 2012


    Why won't all states pay for NFB center training just curious.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nathan Clark" <troubleclark at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology


> Dear List
> I totally agree with Chris' comment. The NFB training centers are
> incredible and the people who work there are extremely supportive. As
> a person who went to CCb in 2006 and 2008 I believe going there was
> the best decision I have made about my independence.
>
> Sincerely,
> Nathan Clark
>
> On 3/29/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> All these complaints against what we NFB members call
>> "traditional rehab centers" and their policies make the NFB
>> training centers and their practices that much better! From what
>> I know about many of you from previous posts on this list, you
>> like the NFB philosophy and the fact that we believe blind people
>> can and should be expected to be as independent as we can.  So,
>> why not go to an adult program at an NFB center? They offer the
>> same type of program and teach the same skills as traditional
>> facilities such as LWSB, but the NFB centers believe in teaching
>> independence and won't force you to take a class you don't need.
>> I encourage you all to check them out!
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>  sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:29:06 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>
>> Why would they make you take a TDL class if you are already doing
>> the stuff
>> on your own?  If I went to a center for a job placement program
>> I'd show
>> them right away and try to opt out of the class.  Couldn't you
>> have done
>> this.  Seams like those centers bring us independent people down
>> to the
>> lowest level of people that don't know anything about living
>> independently
>> at first before you can get to the programs you are actually
>> paying for.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 7:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>
>>
>> They train people in Daily living skills, because I was forced to
>> take
>> that TDL, (Techniques of Daily Living,) class!
>> I hated it, because it was stuff, I already knew, and was doing
>> on my own!
>> Theresa Bailey taught it, and it was horible!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 3/26/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>  I thought that LWSB didn't train people on daily living skills.
>> That's
>>  what
>>  I said!
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: "Nathan Clark" <troubleclark at gmail.com
>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>  Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:28 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>
>>
>>  Dear Brian,
>>  What are you refering to when you talk about the CCB job
>> training program?
>>  Sincerely,
>>  Nathan
>>
>>  On 3/26/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>  I wasn't aware that LWSB offered programs similar to the Carol
>> Center's
>>  and
>>  Colorado Center's!  I was always under the impression that it
>> was solely
>>  a
>>  job training center AKA an ITT tech or a Western School Of
>> Health And
>>  business!
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>  Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:49 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>
>>
>>  Brian,
>>  it’s a training center that provides independent living and job
>>  training.
>>  They provide training in help desk support and other I T stuff.
>>  It’s a training facility,  not a job placement agency.  so, it
>> will not
>>  gaurantee employment.
>>  I say let the programs run.  If you don't like it, don't go
>> there, but
>>  they
>>
>>  must  be helping some people improve their lives.
>>
>>  Ashley
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Brian Hatgelakas
>>  Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:25 AM
>>  To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind
>> Students
>>  mailing
>>
>>  list
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>
>>  If no employment is provided why not terminate all programs
>> accept the
>>  IRS
>>  program?  My question is how much money is being wasted by state
>>  agencies
>>  on
>>  useless programs at this center?  I believe someone needs to do
>> an
>>  investigative article on this topic.
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: "Nimer M.  Jaber, ICł" <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com
>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>  Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 10:54 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>
>>
>>  Joshua,
>>
>>  The only programs that will hire directly from WSB are the IRS
>>  programs and they are not directly affiliated with WSB.  You can
>> go to
>>  any other IRS class and get the same offered position.  WSB just
>>  happens to be the location of an IRS training sight.  The
>> employees
>>  that teach those classes work directly for the IRS, and the
>> computer
>>  network used is solely for the IRS which makes the IRS classes
>> and WSB
>>  two separate entities in my mind.  Even if you wish to count the
>> IRS
>>  classes as belonging to WSB, they have a bunch of other programs
>> that
>>  will not provide employment once a program has been terminated
>> and a
>>  client has graduated successfully.
>>
>>  Thanks.
>>
>>  On 25.03.2012, Nimer M.  Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>  Joshua, she went to Tyler Texas to teach with Jan at the Tyler
>> Light
>>  House.
>>
>>  Desiree, as part of the ATI program, clients will receive a set
>> amount
>>  of hours (that's not really counted) of practical experience
>> which is
>>  the teaching of students for them that I mentioned, you receive
>> an icł
>>  certification which is outdated, hardly ever used or heard of,
>> and
>>  mostly is unrelated to assistive technology, and because of my
>> request
>>  that I put forward you now will attempt to pass the Freedom
>> Scientific
>>  JAWS cert which again, isn't worth a whole lot seeing how it
>> places
>>  much of its emphasis on how to access help and where to get
>> training
>>  more than knowing how to most efficiently utilize the functions
>> of the
>>  screen reader.  For all of this, the training supposedly takes
>> nine
>>  months although I finished up in under four.  This was the old
>> program.
>>  Now, the new instructor has been incorporating lessons on
>> teaching
>>  modalities, eye conditions, making equipment recommendations and
>>  communicating with state Rehab counselors, etc etc.  You don't
>> receive
>>  a certification in any of this, unless you call a little piece
>> of
>>  paper and a pin from WSB telling you good job and that you
>> graduated
>>  to be a certification.  This is why I don't consider WSB to be a
>>  school.  Technically I'm sure they have to have some
>> accreditation or
>>  other to provide the services that they do, but I'm sure that if
>> they
>>  are meeting the standards for it, they're barely doing so.  And
>>  sanitation issues in their buildings are pretty bad.  They have
>> an
>>  antiquated heating and cooling system that can not be switched
>> from
>>  heat to AC quickly meaning that they will only make the switch
>> twice a
>>  year, there are many bugs and some of the food provided is
>>  unrecognizable, although when boar members are present they do a
>> half
>>  decent job.
>>
>>  Thanks.
>>
>>  On 25.03.2012, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Hi,
>>  So, if it's not a school, does that mean the accreditation is
>>  worthless? I'm just trying to understand that part of it.  I
>> wouldn't
>>  attend there, because I've heard some disturbing stories, to put
>> it
>>  lightly, about sanitation issues in the dorms.
>>
>>  On 3/25/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>>  I attended there, under the influence of my VR counselor.
>>  What a mistake!
>>  I wanted to get in their AT program, but it was too full.
>>  They have an awesome ATI, (Assistive Technology Instructor,)
>> program,
>>  that I would have highly recommended, if they had the
>> instructor,
>>  that
>>  I had.
>>  We called her Ms Z.
>>  Anyone remember her?
>>  Blessings,Joshua
>>
>>  On 3/25/12, Nimer M.  Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  Joshua,
>>
>>  LWSB is not a school, and I definitely wouldn't recommend it for
>>  several reasons.  First, the program is being modified heavily
>> under
>>  the influence of a new tech instructor they've just hired, so I
>>  would
>>  say wait till everything's worked out.  Second, there are quite
>> a few
>>  places where mentioning "LWSB" will not land you work because of
>> its
>>  reputation in the past.  And, as mentioned, it is not a school
>> which
>>  means that you really can't depend on it for finding any kind of
>>  employment.
>>
>>  Thanks.
>>
>>  On 25.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>>  http://www.lwsb.org
>>  Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>  On 3/25/12, Kayla Paige <kayla.mattox at cox.net> wrote:
>>  Hi, I have a question.  What kind of school would you go to for
>> a
>>  career
>>  in
>>  assistive technology? Even though I'm going to school for
>> massage
>>  therapy,
>>  my other interest is assistive technology.  Thanks.
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