[nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
Brian Hatgelakas
brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net
Fri Mar 30 13:37:35 UTC 2012
Why won't all states pay for NFB center training just curious.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathan Clark" <troubleclark at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
> Dear List
> I totally agree with Chris' comment. The NFB training centers are
> incredible and the people who work there are extremely supportive. As
> a person who went to CCb in 2006 and 2008 I believe going there was
> the best decision I have made about my independence.
>
> Sincerely,
> Nathan Clark
>
> On 3/29/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> All these complaints against what we NFB members call
>> "traditional rehab centers" and their policies make the NFB
>> training centers and their practices that much better! From what
>> I know about many of you from previous posts on this list, you
>> like the NFB philosophy and the fact that we believe blind people
>> can and should be expected to be as independent as we can. So,
>> why not go to an adult program at an NFB center? They offer the
>> same type of program and teach the same skills as traditional
>> facilities such as LWSB, but the NFB centers believe in teaching
>> independence and won't force you to take a class you don't need.
>> I encourage you all to check them out!
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:29:06 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>
>> Why would they make you take a TDL class if you are already doing
>> the stuff
>> on your own? If I went to a center for a job placement program
>> I'd show
>> them right away and try to opt out of the class. Couldn't you
>> have done
>> this. Seams like those centers bring us independent people down
>> to the
>> lowest level of people that don't know anything about living
>> independently
>> at first before you can get to the programs you are actually
>> paying for.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 7:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>
>>
>> They train people in Daily living skills, because I was forced to
>> take
>> that TDL, (Techniques of Daily Living,) class!
>> I hated it, because it was stuff, I already knew, and was doing
>> on my own!
>> Theresa Bailey taught it, and it was horible!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 3/26/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>> I thought that LWSB didn't train people on daily living skills.
>> That's
>> what
>> I said!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nathan Clark" <troubleclark at gmail.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>
>>
>> Dear Brian,
>> What are you refering to when you talk about the CCB job
>> training program?
>> Sincerely,
>> Nathan
>>
>> On 3/26/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>> I wasn't aware that LWSB offered programs similar to the Carol
>> Center's
>> and
>> Colorado Center's! I was always under the impression that it
>> was solely
>> a
>> job training center AKA an ITT tech or a Western School Of
>> Health And
>> business!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>
>>
>> Brian,
>> it’s a training center that provides independent living and job
>> training.
>> They provide training in help desk support and other I T stuff.
>> It’s a training facility, not a job placement agency. so, it
>> will not
>> gaurantee employment.
>> I say let the programs run. If you don't like it, don't go
>> there, but
>> they
>>
>> must be helping some people improve their lives.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brian Hatgelakas
>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:25 AM
>> To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind
>> Students
>> mailing
>>
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>
>> If no employment is provided why not terminate all programs
>> accept the
>> IRS
>> program? My question is how much money is being wasted by state
>> agencies
>> on
>> useless programs at this center? I believe someone needs to do
>> an
>> investigative article on this topic.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nimer M. Jaber, ICł" <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 10:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>
>>
>> Joshua,
>>
>> The only programs that will hire directly from WSB are the IRS
>> programs and they are not directly affiliated with WSB. You can
>> go to
>> any other IRS class and get the same offered position. WSB just
>> happens to be the location of an IRS training sight. The
>> employees
>> that teach those classes work directly for the IRS, and the
>> computer
>> network used is solely for the IRS which makes the IRS classes
>> and WSB
>> two separate entities in my mind. Even if you wish to count the
>> IRS
>> classes as belonging to WSB, they have a bunch of other programs
>> that
>> will not provide employment once a program has been terminated
>> and a
>> client has graduated successfully.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On 25.03.2012, Nimer M. Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> Joshua, she went to Tyler Texas to teach with Jan at the Tyler
>> Light
>> House.
>>
>> Desiree, as part of the ATI program, clients will receive a set
>> amount
>> of hours (that's not really counted) of practical experience
>> which is
>> the teaching of students for them that I mentioned, you receive
>> an icł
>> certification which is outdated, hardly ever used or heard of,
>> and
>> mostly is unrelated to assistive technology, and because of my
>> request
>> that I put forward you now will attempt to pass the Freedom
>> Scientific
>> JAWS cert which again, isn't worth a whole lot seeing how it
>> places
>> much of its emphasis on how to access help and where to get
>> training
>> more than knowing how to most efficiently utilize the functions
>> of the
>> screen reader. For all of this, the training supposedly takes
>> nine
>> months although I finished up in under four. This was the old
>> program.
>> Now, the new instructor has been incorporating lessons on
>> teaching
>> modalities, eye conditions, making equipment recommendations and
>> communicating with state Rehab counselors, etc etc. You don't
>> receive
>> a certification in any of this, unless you call a little piece
>> of
>> paper and a pin from WSB telling you good job and that you
>> graduated
>> to be a certification. This is why I don't consider WSB to be a
>> school. Technically I'm sure they have to have some
>> accreditation or
>> other to provide the services that they do, but I'm sure that if
>> they
>> are meeting the standards for it, they're barely doing so. And
>> sanitation issues in their buildings are pretty bad. They have
>> an
>> antiquated heating and cooling system that can not be switched
>> from
>> heat to AC quickly meaning that they will only make the switch
>> twice a
>> year, there are many bugs and some of the food provided is
>> unrecognizable, although when boar members are present they do a
>> half
>> decent job.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On 25.03.2012, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> So, if it's not a school, does that mean the accreditation is
>> worthless? I'm just trying to understand that part of it. I
>> wouldn't
>> attend there, because I've heard some disturbing stories, to put
>> it
>> lightly, about sanitation issues in the dorms.
>>
>> On 3/25/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>> I attended there, under the influence of my VR counselor.
>> What a mistake!
>> I wanted to get in their AT program, but it was too full.
>> They have an awesome ATI, (Assistive Technology Instructor,)
>> program,
>> that I would have highly recommended, if they had the
>> instructor,
>> that
>> I had.
>> We called her Ms Z.
>> Anyone remember her?
>> Blessings,Joshua
>>
>> On 3/25/12, Nimer M. Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>>
>> LWSB is not a school, and I definitely wouldn't recommend it for
>> several reasons. First, the program is being modified heavily
>> under
>> the influence of a new tech instructor they've just hired, so I
>> would
>> say wait till everything's worked out. Second, there are quite
>> a few
>> places where mentioning "LWSB" will not land you work because of
>> its
>> reputation in the past. And, as mentioned, it is not a school
>> which
>> means that you really can't depend on it for finding any kind of
>> employment.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On 25.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> wrote:
>> http://www.lwsb.org
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 3/25/12, Kayla Paige <kayla.mattox at cox.net> wrote:
>> Hi, I have a question. What kind of school would you go to for
>> a
>> career
>> in
>> assistive technology? Even though I'm going to school for
>> massage
>> therapy,
>> my other interest is assistive technology. Thanks.
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