[nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology

Mark J. Cadigan kramc11 at gmail.com
Fri Mar 30 16:12:14 UTC 2012 

Stephanie,

I certainly agree with you that logistically it is difficult to take time to 
go to an NFB training center. Do you have summers off? if not, could you 
take a semester of school off?



I went to Blind Inc. the summer between high school and college. It was one 
of the best decisions I ever made. Before going to Blind Inc. I received 
some training from the Carroll Center. The Carroll center is a traditional 
center. The difference and quality of the training was like the difference 
between night and day.



Mark.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephanie DeLuca" <sjhhirst at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology


> Oh, well I wasn't discounting the NFB centers.  They look great!  I live 
> in Nashville though and am a full-time graduate student.  I don't know if 
> I could take so much time off to go through an independent living program. 
> It'd be great to have some lessons, though.
>
> On Mar 30, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>
>> Stephanie,
>>
>> Don’t discount an NFB center just because you don’t think you require 
>> help with daily living. I’m certin you will learn some new tips and 
>> tricks in an NFB center’s home management class. With that being said, 
>> if you are an expert at all aspects of daily living, they will recognize 
>> that, and graduate you from the class.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie DeLuca" 
>> <sjhhirst at gmail.com>
>> To: <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind Students 
>> mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>
>>
>>> I was thinking about going with the Tennessee Rehab Center to learn some 
>>> braille, O&M, and interview skills.  I don't really need help on daily 
>>> living.  Does anyone know the quality of the instruction at this center 
>>> and can comment on it?
>>>
>>> On Mar 30, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote:
>>>
>>>> Because not all states or counselors have subscribed to the NFB way of
>>>> doing things (like forcing the blindfold issue or the cane issue) for
>>>> example. One organization or group's ideas about independence aren't
>>>> always the same as another group's ideas.
>>>>
>>>> On 30.03.2012, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>   Why won't all states pay for NFB center training just curious.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Nathan Clark" <troubleclark at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 9:24 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear List
>>>>>> I totally agree with Chris' comment. The NFB training centers are
>>>>>> incredible and the people who work there are extremely supportive. As
>>>>>> a person who went to CCb in 2006 and 2008 I believe going there was
>>>>>> the best decision I have made about my independence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Nathan Clark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/29/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> All these complaints against what we NFB members call
>>>>>>> "traditional rehab centers" and their policies make the NFB
>>>>>>> training centers and their practices that much better! From what
>>>>>>> I know about many of you from previous posts on this list, you
>>>>>>> like the NFB philosophy and the fact that we believe blind people
>>>>>>> can and should be expected to be as independent as we can.  So,
>>>>>>> why not go to an adult program at an NFB center? They offer the
>>>>>>> same type of program and teach the same skills as traditional
>>>>>>> facilities such as LWSB, but the NFB centers believe in teaching
>>>>>>> independence and won't force you to take a class you don't need.
>>>>>>> I encourage you all to check them out!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:29:06 -0400
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would they make you take a TDL class if you are already doing
>>>>>>> the stuff
>>>>>>> on your own?  If I went to a center for a job placement program
>>>>>>> I'd show
>>>>>>> them right away and try to opt out of the class.  Couldn't you
>>>>>>> have done
>>>>>>> this.  Seams like those centers bring us independent people down
>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>> lowest level of people that don't know anything about living
>>>>>>> independently
>>>>>>> at first before you can get to the programs you are actually
>>>>>>> paying for.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 7:20 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They train people in Daily living skills, because I was forced to
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>> that TDL, (Techniques of Daily Living,) class!
>>>>>>> I hated it, because it was stuff, I already knew, and was doing
>>>>>>> on my own!
>>>>>>> Theresa Bailey taught it, and it was horible!
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/26/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I thought that LWSB didn't train people on daily living skills.
>>>>>>> That's
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> I said!
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Nathan Clark" <troubleclark at gmail.com
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:28 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Brian,
>>>>>>> What are you refering to when you talk about the CCB job
>>>>>>> training program?
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/26/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I wasn't aware that LWSB offered programs similar to the Carol
>>>>>>> Center's
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Colorado Center's!  I was always under the impression that it
>>>>>>> was solely
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> job training center AKA an ITT tech or a Western School Of
>>>>>>> Health And
>>>>>>> business!
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:49 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian,
>>>>>>> it’s a training center that provides independent living and job
>>>>>>> training.
>>>>>>> They provide training in help desk support and other I T stuff.
>>>>>>> It’s a training facility,  not a job placement agency.  so, it
>>>>>>> will not
>>>>>>> gaurantee employment.
>>>>>>> I say let the programs run.  If you don't like it, don't go
>>>>>>> there, but
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> must  be helping some people improve their lives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Brian Hatgelakas
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:25 AM
>>>>>>> To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind
>>>>>>> Students
>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If no employment is provided why not terminate all programs
>>>>>>> accept the
>>>>>>> IRS
>>>>>>> program?  My question is how much money is being wasted by state
>>>>>>> agencies
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> useless programs at this center?  I believe someone needs to do
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> investigative article on this topic.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Nimer M.  Jaber, ICł" <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 10:54 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joshua,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only programs that will hire directly from WSB are the IRS
>>>>>>> programs and they are not directly affiliated with WSB.  You can
>>>>>>> go to
>>>>>>> any other IRS class and get the same offered position.  WSB just
>>>>>>> happens to be the location of an IRS training sight.  The
>>>>>>> employees
>>>>>>> that teach those classes work directly for the IRS, and the
>>>>>>> computer
>>>>>>> network used is solely for the IRS which makes the IRS classes
>>>>>>> and WSB
>>>>>>> two separate entities in my mind.  Even if you wish to count the
>>>>>>> IRS
>>>>>>> classes as belonging to WSB, they have a bunch of other programs
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> will not provide employment once a program has been terminated
>>>>>>> and a
>>>>>>> client has graduated successfully.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25.03.2012, Nimer M.  Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Joshua, she went to Tyler Texas to teach with Jan at the Tyler
>>>>>>> Light
>>>>>>> House.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Desiree, as part of the ATI program, clients will receive a set
>>>>>>> amount
>>>>>>> of hours (that's not really counted) of practical experience
>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>> the teaching of students for them that I mentioned, you receive
>>>>>>> an icł
>>>>>>> certification which is outdated, hardly ever used or heard of,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> mostly is unrelated to assistive technology, and because of my
>>>>>>> request
>>>>>>> that I put forward you now will attempt to pass the Freedom
>>>>>>> Scientific
>>>>>>> JAWS cert which again, isn't worth a whole lot seeing how it
>>>>>>> places
>>>>>>> much of its emphasis on how to access help and where to get
>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>> more than knowing how to most efficiently utilize the functions
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> screen reader.  For all of this, the training supposedly takes
>>>>>>> nine
>>>>>>> months although I finished up in under four.  This was the old
>>>>>>> program.
>>>>>>> Now, the new instructor has been incorporating lessons on
>>>>>>> teaching
>>>>>>> modalities, eye conditions, making equipment recommendations and
>>>>>>> communicating with state Rehab counselors, etc etc.  You don't
>>>>>>> receive
>>>>>>> a certification in any of this, unless you call a little piece
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> paper and a pin from WSB telling you good job and that you
>>>>>>> graduated
>>>>>>> to be a certification.  This is why I don't consider WSB to be a
>>>>>>> school.  Technically I'm sure they have to have some
>>>>>>> accreditation or
>>>>>>> other to provide the services that they do, but I'm sure that if
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> are meeting the standards for it, they're barely doing so.  And
>>>>>>> sanitation issues in their buildings are pretty bad.  They have
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> antiquated heating and cooling system that can not be switched
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> heat to AC quickly meaning that they will only make the switch
>>>>>>> twice a
>>>>>>> year, there are many bugs and some of the food provided is
>>>>>>> unrecognizable, although when boar members are present they do a
>>>>>>> half
>>>>>>> decent job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25.03.2012, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> So, if it's not a school, does that mean the accreditation is
>>>>>>> worthless? I'm just trying to understand that part of it.  I
>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>> attend there, because I've heard some disturbing stories, to put
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> lightly, about sanitation issues in the dorms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/25/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I attended there, under the influence of my VR counselor.
>>>>>>> What a mistake!
>>>>>>> I wanted to get in their AT program, but it was too full.
>>>>>>> They have an awesome ATI, (Assistive Technology Instructor,)
>>>>>>> program,
>>>>>>> that I would have highly recommended, if they had the
>>>>>>> instructor,
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> I had.
>>>>>>> We called her Ms Z.
>>>>>>> Anyone remember her?
>>>>>>> Blessings,Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/25/12, Nimer M.  Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Joshua,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LWSB is not a school, and I definitely wouldn't recommend it for
>>>>>>> several reasons.  First, the program is being modified heavily
>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>> the influence of a new tech instructor they've just hired, so I
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> say wait till everything's worked out.  Second, there are quite
>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>> places where mentioning "LWSB" will not land you work because of
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>> reputation in the past.  And, as mentioned, it is not a school
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> means that you really can't depend on it for finding any kind of
>>>>>>> employment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.lwsb.org
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/25/12, Kayla Paige <kayla.mattox at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi, I have a question.  What kind of school would you go to for
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> career
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> assistive technology? Even though I'm going to school for
>>>>>>> massage
>>>>>>> therapy,
>>>>>>> my other interest is assistive technology.  Thanks.
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