[nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology

Fri Mar 30 16:16:16 UTC 2012

Hmm that would be difficult.  We'll have to see as time goes on and I
progress towards my degree.  If I happen to defend at a time when I would
have some space before going on to a postdoc or my husband has not defended
yet, then maybe.  Thanks though!

In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind.
    ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Mark J. Cadigan <kramc11 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Stephanie,
>
> I certainly agree with you that logistically it is difficult to take time
> to go to an NFB training center. Do you have summers off? if not, could you
> take a semester of school off?
>
>
>
> I went to Blind Inc. the summer between high school and college. It was
> one of the best decisions I ever made. Before going to Blind Inc. I
> received some training from the Carroll Center. The Carroll center is a
> traditional center. The difference and quality of the training was like the
> difference between night and day.
>
>
>
> Mark.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie DeLuca" <sjhhirst at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:44 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>
>
>  Oh, well I wasn't discounting the NFB centers.  They look great!  I live
>> in Nashville though and am a full-time graduate student.  I don't know if I
>> could take so much time off to go through an independent living program.
>> It'd be great to have some lessons, though.
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:
>>
>>  Stephanie,
>>>
>>> Don’t discount an NFB center just because you don’t think you require
>>> help with daily living. I’m certin you will learn some new tips and tricks
>>> in an NFB center’s home management class. With that being said, if you are
>>> an expert at all aspects of daily living, they will recognize that, and
>>> graduate you from the class.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie DeLuca" <
>>> sjhhirst at gmail.com>
>>> To: <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind Students
>>> mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:03 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>
>>>
>>>  I was thinking about going with the Tennessee Rehab Center to learn
>>>> some braille, O&M, and interview skills.  I don't really need help on daily
>>>> living.  Does anyone know the quality of the instruction at this center and
>>>> can comment on it?
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 30, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Because not all states or counselors have subscribed to the NFB way of
>>>>> doing things (like forcing the blindfold issue or the cane issue) for
>>>>> example. One organization or group's ideas about independence aren't
>>>>> always the same as another group's ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30.03.2012, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Why won't all states pay for NFB center training just curious.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Nathan Clark" <troubleclark at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 9:24 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Dear List
>>>>>>> I totally agree with Chris' comment. The NFB training centers are
>>>>>>> incredible and the people who work there are extremely supportive. As
>>>>>>> a person who went to CCb in 2006 and 2008 I believe going there was
>>>>>>> the best decision I have made about my independence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Nathan Clark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/29/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All these complaints against what we NFB members call
>>>>>>>> "traditional rehab centers" and their policies make the NFB
>>>>>>>> training centers and their practices that much better! From what
>>>>>>>> I know about many of you from previous posts on this list, you
>>>>>>>> like the NFB philosophy and the fact that we believe blind people
>>>>>>>> can and should be expected to be as independent as we can.  So,
>>>>>>>> why not go to an adult program at an NFB center? They offer the
>>>>>>>> same type of program and teach the same skills as traditional
>>>>>>>> facilities such as LWSB, but the NFB centers believe in teaching
>>>>>>>> independence and won't force you to take a class you don't need.
>>>>>>>> I encourage you all to check them out!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:29:06 -0400
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why would they make you take a TDL class if you are already doing
>>>>>>>> the stuff
>>>>>>>> on your own?  If I went to a center for a job placement program
>>>>>>>> I'd show
>>>>>>>> them right away and try to opt out of the class.  Couldn't you
>>>>>>>> have done
>>>>>>>> this.  Seams like those centers bring us independent people down
>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>> lowest level of people that don't know anything about living
>>>>>>>> independently
>>>>>>>> at first before you can get to the programs you are actually
>>>>>>>> paying for.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.**edu<jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 7:20 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They train people in Daily living skills, because I was forced to
>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>> that TDL, (Techniques of Daily Living,) class!
>>>>>>>> I hated it, because it was stuff, I already knew, and was doing
>>>>>>>> on my own!
>>>>>>>> Theresa Bailey taught it, and it was horible!
>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/26/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I thought that LWSB didn't train people on daily living skills.
>>>>>>>> That's
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> I said!
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Nathan Clark" <troubleclark at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:28 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Brian,
>>>>>>>> What are you refering to when you talk about the CCB job
>>>>>>>> training program?
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/26/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I wasn't aware that LWSB offered programs similar to the Carol
>>>>>>>> Center's
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Colorado Center's!  I was always under the impression that it
>>>>>>>> was solely
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> job training center AKA an ITT tech or a Western School Of
>>>>>>>> Health And
>>>>>>>> business!
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:49 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brian,
>>>>>>>> it’s a training center that provides independent living and job
>>>>>>>> training.
>>>>>>>> They provide training in help desk support and other I T stuff.
>>>>>>>> It’s a training facility,  not a job placement agency.  so, it
>>>>>>>> will not
>>>>>>>> gaurantee employment.
>>>>>>>> I say let the programs run.  If you don't like it, don't go
>>>>>>>> there, but
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> must  be helping some people improve their lives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Brian Hatgelakas
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:25 AM
>>>>>>>> To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind
>>>>>>>> Students
>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If no employment is provided why not terminate all programs
>>>>>>>> accept the
>>>>>>>> IRS
>>>>>>>> program?  My question is how much money is being wasted by state
>>>>>>>> agencies
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> useless programs at this center?  I believe someone needs to do
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> investigative article on this topic.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Nimer M.  Jaber, ICł" <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 10:54 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joshua,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only programs that will hire directly from WSB are the IRS
>>>>>>>> programs and they are not directly affiliated with WSB.  You can
>>>>>>>> go to
>>>>>>>> any other IRS class and get the same offered position.  WSB just
>>>>>>>> happens to be the location of an IRS training sight.  The
>>>>>>>> employees
>>>>>>>> that teach those classes work directly for the IRS, and the
>>>>>>>> computer
>>>>>>>> network used is solely for the IRS which makes the IRS classes
>>>>>>>> and WSB
>>>>>>>> two separate entities in my mind.  Even if you wish to count the
>>>>>>>> IRS
>>>>>>>> classes as belonging to WSB, they have a bunch of other programs
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> will not provide employment once a program has been terminated
>>>>>>>> and a
>>>>>>>> client has graduated successfully.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 25.03.2012, Nimer M.  Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Joshua, she went to Tyler Texas to teach with Jan at the Tyler
>>>>>>>> Light
>>>>>>>> House.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Desiree, as part of the ATI program, clients will receive a set
>>>>>>>> amount
>>>>>>>> of hours (that's not really counted) of practical experience
>>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>>> the teaching of students for them that I mentioned, you receive
>>>>>>>> an icł
>>>>>>>> certification which is outdated, hardly ever used or heard of,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> mostly is unrelated to assistive technology, and because of my
>>>>>>>> request
>>>>>>>> that I put forward you now will attempt to pass the Freedom
>>>>>>>> Scientific
>>>>>>>> JAWS cert which again, isn't worth a whole lot seeing how it
>>>>>>>> places
>>>>>>>> much of its emphasis on how to access help and where to get
>>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>>> more than knowing how to most efficiently utilize the functions
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> screen reader.  For all of this, the training supposedly takes
>>>>>>>> nine
>>>>>>>> months although I finished up in under four.  This was the old
>>>>>>>> program.
>>>>>>>> Now, the new instructor has been incorporating lessons on
>>>>>>>> teaching
>>>>>>>> modalities, eye conditions, making equipment recommendations and
>>>>>>>> communicating with state Rehab counselors, etc etc.  You don't
>>>>>>>> receive
>>>>>>>> a certification in any of this, unless you call a little piece
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> paper and a pin from WSB telling you good job and that you
>>>>>>>> graduated
>>>>>>>> to be a certification.  This is why I don't consider WSB to be a
>>>>>>>> school.  Technically I'm sure they have to have some
>>>>>>>> accreditation or
>>>>>>>> other to provide the services that they do, but I'm sure that if
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> are meeting the standards for it, they're barely doing so.  And
>>>>>>>> sanitation issues in their buildings are pretty bad.  They have
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> antiquated heating and cooling system that can not be switched
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> heat to AC quickly meaning that they will only make the switch
>>>>>>>> twice a
>>>>>>>> year, there are many bugs and some of the food provided is
>>>>>>>> unrecognizable, although when boar members are present they do a
>>>>>>>> half
>>>>>>>> decent job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 25.03.2012, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> So, if it's not a school, does that mean the accreditation is
>>>>>>>> worthless? I'm just trying to understand that part of it.  I
>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>> attend there, because I've heard some disturbing stories, to put
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> lightly, about sanitation issues in the dorms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/25/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.**edu<jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I attended there, under the influence of my VR counselor.
>>>>>>>> What a mistake!
>>>>>>>> I wanted to get in their AT program, but it was too full.
>>>>>>>> They have an awesome ATI, (Assistive Technology Instructor,)
>>>>>>>> program,
>>>>>>>> that I would have highly recommended, if they had the
>>>>>>>> instructor,
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> I had.
>>>>>>>> We called her Ms Z.
>>>>>>>> Anyone remember her?
>>>>>>>> Blessings,Joshua
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/25/12, Nimer M.  Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Joshua,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LWSB is not a school, and I definitely wouldn't recommend it for
>>>>>>>> several reasons.  First, the program is being modified heavily
>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>> the influence of a new tech instructor they've just hired, so I
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> say wait till everything's worked out.  Second, there are quite
>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>> places where mentioning "LWSB" will not land you work because of
>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>> reputation in the past.  And, as mentioned, it is not a school
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> means that you really can't depend on it for finding any kind of
>>>>>>>> employment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 25.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.**edu<jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://www.lwsb.org
>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/25/12, Kayla Paige <kayla.mattox at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi, I have a question.  What kind of school would you go to for
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> career
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> assistive technology? Even though I'm going to school for
>>>>>>>> massage
>>>>>>>> therapy,
>>>>>>>> my other interest is assistive technology.  Thanks.
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