[nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology

Ashley Bramlett bookwormahb at earthlink.net
Fri Mar 30 16:23:49 UTC 2012 

Hi all,
gee, there are pros and cons to everywhere you go. If you do not need daily 
living skills, IMO another center where you can just choose the classes you 
need may be better. Sjtephanie, your reasons sound good; I say check out the 
local center and then decide whether it meets your needs.
All states will pay for nfb centers Brian; it just takes persuasion. So you 
asked why they will not pay; they will if you fight.

Neext, if we continue to discuss it, change subject lines. I do not think 
Kayla's original question as to where to obtain education in assistive tech 
was answered. My answer is that there are no dedicated programs; your best 
bet is a degree in rehab teaching which means teaching daily living skills 
but the rehab teacehers also now can teach some technology. another way to 
show some competence is taking the jaws certification test.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Stephanie DeLuca
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:44 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology

Oh, well I wasn't discounting the NFB centers.  They look great!  I live in 
Nashville though and am a full-time graduate student.  I don't know if I 
could take so much time off to go through an independent living program. 
It'd be great to have some lessons, though.

On Mar 30, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote:

> Stephanie,
>
> Don’t discount an NFB center just because you don’t think you require 
> help with daily living. I’m certin you will learn some new tips and 
> tricks in an NFB center’s home management class. With that being said, if 
> you are an expert at all aspects of daily living, they will recognize 
> that, and graduate you from the class.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie DeLuca" <sjhhirst at gmail.com>
> To: <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind Students 
> mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>
>
>> I was thinking about going with the Tennessee Rehab Center to learn some 
>> braille, O&M, and interview skills.  I don't really need help on daily 
>> living.  Does anyone know the quality of the instruction at this center 
>> and can comment on it?
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote:
>>
>>> Because not all states or counselors have subscribed to the NFB way of
>>> doing things (like forcing the blindfold issue or the cane issue) for
>>> example. One organization or group's ideas about independence aren't
>>> always the same as another group's ideas.
>>>
>>> On 30.03.2012, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>   Why won't all states pay for NFB center training just curious.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Nathan Clark" <troubleclark at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 9:24 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dear List
>>>>> I totally agree with Chris' comment. The NFB training centers are
>>>>> incredible and the people who work there are extremely supportive. As
>>>>> a person who went to CCb in 2006 and 2008 I believe going there was
>>>>> the best decision I have made about my independence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Nathan Clark
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/29/12, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> All these complaints against what we NFB members call
>>>>>> "traditional rehab centers" and their policies make the NFB
>>>>>> training centers and their practices that much better! From what
>>>>>> I know about many of you from previous posts on this list, you
>>>>>> like the NFB philosophy and the fact that we believe blind people
>>>>>> can and should be expected to be as independent as we can.  So,
>>>>>> why not go to an adult program at an NFB center? They offer the
>>>>>> same type of program and teach the same skills as traditional
>>>>>> facilities such as LWSB, but the NFB centers believe in teaching
>>>>>> independence and won't force you to take a class you don't need.
>>>>>> I encourage you all to check them out!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Brian Hatgelakas" <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:29:06 -0400
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would they make you take a TDL class if you are already doing
>>>>>> the stuff
>>>>>> on your own?  If I went to a center for a job placement program
>>>>>> I'd show
>>>>>> them right away and try to opt out of the class.  Couldn't you
>>>>>> have done
>>>>>> this.  Seams like those centers bring us independent people down
>>>>>> to the
>>>>>> lowest level of people that don't know anything about living
>>>>>> independently
>>>>>> at first before you can get to the programs you are actually
>>>>>> paying for.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 7:20 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They train people in Daily living skills, because I was forced to
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> that TDL, (Techniques of Daily Living,) class!
>>>>>> I hated it, because it was stuff, I already knew, and was doing
>>>>>> on my own!
>>>>>> Theresa Bailey taught it, and it was horible!
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/26/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I thought that LWSB didn't train people on daily living skills.
>>>>>> That's
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> I said!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Nathan Clark" <troubleclark at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:28 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Brian,
>>>>>> What are you refering to when you talk about the CCB job
>>>>>> training program?
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/26/12, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I wasn't aware that LWSB offered programs similar to the Carol
>>>>>> Center's
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Colorado Center's!  I was always under the impression that it
>>>>>> was solely
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> job training center AKA an ITT tech or a Western School Of
>>>>>> Health And
>>>>>> business!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:49 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian,
>>>>>> it’s a training center that provides independent living and job
>>>>>> training.
>>>>>> They provide training in help desk support and other I T stuff.
>>>>>> It’s a training facility,  not a job placement agency.  so, it
>>>>>> will not
>>>>>> gaurantee employment.
>>>>>> I say let the programs run.  If you don't like it, don't go
>>>>>> there, but
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>
>>>>>> must  be helping some people improve their lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Brian Hatgelakas
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 10:25 AM
>>>>>> To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind
>>>>>> Students
>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If no employment is provided why not terminate all programs
>>>>>> accept the
>>>>>> IRS
>>>>>> program?  My question is how much money is being wasted by state
>>>>>> agencies
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> useless programs at this center?  I believe someone needs to do
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> investigative article on this topic.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Nimer M.  Jaber, ICł" <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 10:54 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Careers in assistive technology
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joshua,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only programs that will hire directly from WSB are the IRS
>>>>>> programs and they are not directly affiliated with WSB.  You can
>>>>>> go to
>>>>>> any other IRS class and get the same offered position.  WSB just
>>>>>> happens to be the location of an IRS training sight.  The
>>>>>> employees
>>>>>> that teach those classes work directly for the IRS, and the
>>>>>> computer
>>>>>> network used is solely for the IRS which makes the IRS classes
>>>>>> and WSB
>>>>>> two separate entities in my mind.  Even if you wish to count the
>>>>>> IRS
>>>>>> classes as belonging to WSB, they have a bunch of other programs
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> will not provide employment once a program has been terminated
>>>>>> and a
>>>>>> client has graduated successfully.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25.03.2012, Nimer M.  Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Joshua, she went to Tyler Texas to teach with Jan at the Tyler
>>>>>> Light
>>>>>> House.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Desiree, as part of the ATI program, clients will receive a set
>>>>>> amount
>>>>>> of hours (that's not really counted) of practical experience
>>>>>> which is
>>>>>> the teaching of students for them that I mentioned, you receive
>>>>>> an icł
>>>>>> certification which is outdated, hardly ever used or heard of,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> mostly is unrelated to assistive technology, and because of my
>>>>>> request
>>>>>> that I put forward you now will attempt to pass the Freedom
>>>>>> Scientific
>>>>>> JAWS cert which again, isn't worth a whole lot seeing how it
>>>>>> places
>>>>>> much of its emphasis on how to access help and where to get
>>>>>> training
>>>>>> more than knowing how to most efficiently utilize the functions
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> screen reader.  For all of this, the training supposedly takes
>>>>>> nine
>>>>>> months although I finished up in under four.  This was the old
>>>>>> program.
>>>>>> Now, the new instructor has been incorporating lessons on
>>>>>> teaching
>>>>>> modalities, eye conditions, making equipment recommendations and
>>>>>> communicating with state Rehab counselors, etc etc.  You don't
>>>>>> receive
>>>>>> a certification in any of this, unless you call a little piece
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> paper and a pin from WSB telling you good job and that you
>>>>>> graduated
>>>>>> to be a certification.  This is why I don't consider WSB to be a
>>>>>> school.  Technically I'm sure they have to have some
>>>>>> accreditation or
>>>>>> other to provide the services that they do, but I'm sure that if
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> are meeting the standards for it, they're barely doing so.  And
>>>>>> sanitation issues in their buildings are pretty bad.  They have
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> antiquated heating and cooling system that can not be switched
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> heat to AC quickly meaning that they will only make the switch
>>>>>> twice a
>>>>>> year, there are many bugs and some of the food provided is
>>>>>> unrecognizable, although when boar members are present they do a
>>>>>> half
>>>>>> decent job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25.03.2012, Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> So, if it's not a school, does that mean the accreditation is
>>>>>> worthless? I'm just trying to understand that part of it.  I
>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>> attend there, because I've heard some disturbing stories, to put
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> lightly, about sanitation issues in the dorms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/25/12, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I attended there, under the influence of my VR counselor.
>>>>>> What a mistake!
>>>>>> I wanted to get in their AT program, but it was too full.
>>>>>> They have an awesome ATI, (Assistive Technology Instructor,)
>>>>>> program,
>>>>>> that I would have highly recommended, if they had the
>>>>>> instructor,
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> I had.
>>>>>> We called her Ms Z.
>>>>>> Anyone remember her?
>>>>>> Blessings,Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/25/12, Nimer M.  Jaber, ICł <nimerjaber1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Joshua,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LWSB is not a school, and I definitely wouldn't recommend it for
>>>>>> several reasons.  First, the program is being modified heavily
>>>>>> under
>>>>>> the influence of a new tech instructor they've just hired, so I
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> say wait till everything's worked out.  Second, there are quite
>>>>>> a few
>>>>>> places where mentioning "LWSB" will not land you work because of
>>>>>> its
>>>>>> reputation in the past.  And, as mentioned, it is not a school
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> means that you really can't depend on it for finding any kind of
>>>>>> employment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25.03.2012, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.lwsb.org
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/25/12, Kayla Paige <kayla.mattox at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi, I have a question.  What kind of school would you go to for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> career
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> assistive technology? Even though I'm going to school for
>>>>>> massage
>>>>>> therapy,
>>>>>> my other interest is assistive technology.  Thanks.
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