[nabs-l] canes and water park rides
Kirt Manwaring
kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
Tue Apr 2 16:00:13 UTC 2013
Justin,
Apparently, that's what she would have to do if she was going to a
water park. :) If her dog can't stand being separated, and she's
forced to take him everywhere, it seems the only choice.
Best,
Kirt
On 3/31/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> You understand that everyone's situation is different. Your alright with
> me
> man.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt Manwaring
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 1:24 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] canes and water park rides
>
> Justin,
> Exactly. For me, and I'm only speaking for myself, but being forced
> to take my dog wherever I went, or not being able to leave him home
> when the situation seemed to warrant it, doesn't appear to work all
> that well. I'm going to make a generalization, and I realize there
> are plenty of acceptions to what I'm about to say. Still, I think
> it's worth mentioning, if for no other reason than because it really
> applied to me personally. Also, I should probably say that I'm not
> lumping Sarah or anybody else specific on this list into what I'm
> about to say because...well, I don't know most of you in real life, so
> who am I to judge?
> Still, I've seen lots of blind people who get dogs because their
> mobility skills aren't up to par and they want a cure. I have plenty
> of friends and acquaintances who use dogs because they don't feel
> confident in their ability to travel without them; sadly, to me, this
> seems the rule more than the exception. It kind of makes my heart
> hurt a little bit when I see friends shy away from new places and
> experiences just because their dogs prefer to stay in familiar areas.
> Again, from what I've seen, this seems to be what happens more often
> than not. I'm not saying a dog isn't a legitimate option; I can see
> the advantages of traveling with one and, while they aren't enough to
> convince me to become a dog user, they are certainly real. I'm just
> saying that, if someone isn't a confident and comfortable traveler
> already, having a dog won't magically make up for it. Sadly, many (if
> not most) guide dog users I know weren't confident travelers to begin
> with, so they got a dog instead of getting quality training. Of
> course, I know a whole bunch of cane users with the same problem, so
> it's certainly not the dog's fault if the handler can't get where
> he/she needs to go. I guess all I'm saying, and I'm sure most
> competent dog users will wholeheartedly agree, is that getting a good
> dog is no substitute for getting good training...but now I'm wondering
> what any of this has to do with riding rollercoasters and water
> slides. :)
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> On 3/31/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Cane, dog, what works.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
> Manwaring
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:44 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] canes and water park rides
>>
>> Sarah,
>> I know I'm going to spark an age-old debate, and possibly get
>> reprimanded for being off-topic, but I don't really care right now. I
>> don't mean this condescendingly or judgmentally...but, Sarah, the next
>> time someone asks me why I'm not a dog user, I want to have your
>> e-mails on hand because they would make my case far better than I
>> possibly could. (and, yes, I'm aware how ironic this will sound to
>> anybody who remembers the stir I created a while back because I wanted
>> to get a dog and bring him...or her...or whatever to a training
>> center.)
>> And, please, before anybody gets their knickers all twisted up over
>> this, I'm definitely not anti-dog. I know some fantastic travelers
>> who happen to be dog users; I also know some terrible travelers who
>> happen to use canes instead. My point is simply that, having the
>> personality I do where I want to wait my turn like most everyone else,
>> and hearing the kinds of stories I do from Sarah and from most dog
>> users I'm acquainted with about how ansy/skiddish/uncomfortable/needy
>> their dogs are, I'm pretty darn sure I made the right decision for
>> myself. This isn't a condemnation, much as some people might construe
>> it as one. Canes can certainly bring issues of their own...but my
>> straight cane won't have a panic attack if I decide to leave it at
>> home and take my folding cane instead, and vice-versa.
>> Anyways, sorry for the rambling...I'm trying to find every possible
>> excuse I can to distract me from my political science homework,
>> because Plato's Republic is really hurting my fragile little head
>> right now. :) I really didn't mean this as a knock against competent
>> dog-users or, really, against Sarah at all. I just meant to say how
>> stories like this reinforce my belief that, in choosing not to get a
>> guide dog, I think I made the right decision for me.
>> Best,
>> Kirt
>>
>> On 4/1/13, Sarah <coastergirl92 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> i can't leave Wizard hoc alone when I go to parks he freaks out
>>> when I leave him for a few hours to go to a friend's house.
>>> Besides his trainers told me to none leave him alone unsupervised
>>> for more than an hour inr 2.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 20:08:50 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] canes and water park rides
>>>
>>> Perhaps you shouldn't bring Wizard under those circumstances?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Sarah
>>> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:32 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] canes and water park rides
>>>
>>> I'm not making my guide dog wait 4 hours for one ride in the
>>> uncomfortable
>>> hot weather. Besides, all the ride operators know me at the park
>>> anyways.
>>> I never waited in line before I did for like 2 hours because X2
>>> broke down
>>> and sy had to replace a wheel.
>>> But I'm not making Wizard wait in line er 4 hours for each ride.
>>> It's like 2 or 4 hours for each ride and I bought an immediate
>>> boarding
>>> pass. All I have to do is show the paper I bought to the
>>> operator if they
>>> don't know me already, and they let me on.
>>> People are just jealous because they can't do it!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 20:18:14 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] canes and water park rides
>>>
>>> Sarah,
>>> I know you're going to get a lot of flack for what you just
>>> said, so I'll
>>> do my best to be gentle. I know each person's situation is
>>> different, so
>>> I'm not judging every blind person who chooses to take that extra
>>> perk and
>>> cut through line; for all I know, there really is some other
>>> disability or
>>> legitimate need for that accommodation with some of us, so
>>> farbeit from me
>>> to condemn everyone wholesale for making that choice. Still, and
>>> I feel
>>> very strongly about this, if you are capable of waiting in line
>>> with
>>> everybody else, you should.
>>> Period. In the past, there have been a few times where I've
>>> caved in to
>>> family pressure and broken my own rule; I'm not proud of it, I
>>> don't always
>>> measure up to my own standards here, but I nevertheless believe
>>> very
>>> passionately that we should not take "accommodation"
>>> where we do not need it. If you had no real need to cut in line,
>>> and it
>>> sounds like you didn't if you've been able to wait in long lines
>>> before (if
>>> I'm wrong please forgive me), you shouldn't have.
>>> That's
>>> my opinion, I'm not trying to be harsh because I've certainly
>>> skipped in
>>> line a few times before (and invariably felt ashamed afterwords),
>>> but
>>> accommodation is only real accommodation if it serves a real
>>> need.
>>> We have enough real needs already to go around taking advantage
>>> of things
>>> that just aren't necessary. Not only is it a waste but it can,
>>> if we aren't
>>> careful, send totally the wrong message about blindness.
>>> Our reputation as people who take and take, without giving back,
>>> isn't
>>> entirely unjustified. If we want to be treated equally, we
>>> _have_ to have
>>> it both ways. If we want equal treatment, we have equal
>>> responsibility.
>>> Much as this might seem menial, or irrelevant to the larger
>>> problems we
>>> face, waiting in lines is a drudgery that we ought to accept
>>> cheerfully (or
>>> at least grudgingly) if we really want equal access to amusement
>>> parks. I
>>> think, for many blind people, the attitude which says it's okay
>>> to cut in
>>> line even though we could wait like everyone else is indicative
>>> of a far,
>>> far larger problem. I am, of course, referring to the idea that
>>> we are
>>> entitled to special treatment and superior, not equal access. We
>>> wouldn't
>>> phrase it that way...but when we're asking for unnecessary
>>> extended time for
>>> assignments (I'm not implying that all extended time is
>>> unnecessary),
>>> demanding the right to a dedicated person to take our notes for
>>> us, begging
>>> rehab for every piece of the newest and greatest technology and,
>>> yes,
>>> cutting in lines at amusement parks...isn't that what we're
>>> really saying?
>>> Just my humble opinion, take it for what it's worth.
>>> Best,
>>> Kirt
>>>
>>> On 4/1/13, Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So they let you cut through the line with a dog, but not with a
>>> cane?
>>> Interesting.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair
>>> Public Relations Committee
>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Sarah
>>> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 9:40 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] canes and water park rides
>>>
>>> Because with my dog, they let me right on, and they watch the
>>> dog very
>>> carefully even when someone else is holding it so nobody pets it
>>> while
>>> you're on the ride. With a cane, they will just say "Wait 4
>>> hours like
>>> everyone else."
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 21:26:25 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] canes and water park rides
>>>
>>> Sarah,
>>>
>>> Just curious: how is Six Flags more accommodating to a guide dog
>>> user than
>>> to a cane user?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair
>>> Public Relations Committee
>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Sarah Meeks
>>> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:56 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] canes and water park rides
>>>
>>> My best amusement park experience has always been Six Flags.
>>> They are very
>>> accommodating. There you are more accommodating now that I have
>>> a dog.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 1, 2013, at 11:22 AM, Kaiti Shelton
>>> <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Yay for Disney! they were by far my best park experience. I
>>> went twice
>>> as a little kid. The first time I went I was five or six and my
>>> parents
>>> also had a baby in a stroller, so the practice for both me and my
>>> sister
>>> was to hold onto our brother's stroller to keep with our parents
>>> and not
>>> get lost. My parents just gave me verbal direction and were
>>> with me the
>>> entire time, so there really wasn't a major need for a cane.
>>> When I went
>>> again as an older kid though, I did have a folding cane and the
>>> Disney
>>> staff was very good about either showing me tricks to keep it
>>> with me or
>>> holding it and then giving it back to me when I got off, even on
>>> water
>>> rides like Splash Mountain and the Pirates of the Caribbean
>>> rides which
>>> start in one place and end at another. If you have a folding
>>> cane you can
>>> secure it folded with the loop and then put your wrist through
>>> the cane
>>> and the strap and just let it hang as you hold onto something.
>>> It won't
>>> flop around as much as the telescopic cane. Also, the holster
>>> idea sounds
>>> good, although some park personelle at other amusement parks
>>> get worried
>>> about it coming lose. Either way, you shouldn't have any
>>> problems with
>>> getting the ride people to bring you your cane at the ride exit.
>>>
>>> By the way, Universal Studios was excellent about working with
>>> the cane
>>> too. I went there in the same vacation that I went to Disney for
>>> the
>>> second time and they were very accomodating.
>>>
>>> On 4/1/13, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Sophie,
>>> I'm one of those random oddballs who would probably go alone
>>> if I was
>>> traveling, and there was a really cool theme park near by.
>>> I
>>> know it's not for everyone, but occasionally doing those kinds
>>> of "social"
>>> things by myself is fun for me; both to keep my confidence up
>>> and to meet
>>> people that I otherwise wouldn't get to know.
>>> Anyways, I've taken my straight cane to theme parks no
>>> problem, but I'll
>>> confess I haven't tried a water park with it yet. A collapsible
>>> or folding
>>> cane seems more reasonable to me there. On rollercoasters or
>>> big rides
>>> like that, I've almost always just given my straight cane to the
>>> ride
>>> attendant and picked it up when the ride is done, but those
>>> rides usually
>>> start and end at the same place.
>>> Waterslides
>>> and things are different though, obviously.
>>> Basically, I've been reading this thread to see what useful
>>> bits I could
>>> glean from it, as I'll probably be going to a few water parks
>>> myself over
>>> the summer. Maybe this will finally give me the motivation I
>>> need to buy
>>> another collapsible or NFB folding cane. (I actually liked mine
>>> for the
>>> year or so it lasted, but I used it sparingly and certainly not
>>> as my
>>> primary cane.) Thanks, all, for the help and suggewstions.
>>> Best,
>>> Kirt
>>>
>>> On 3/31/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I would where a belt around my bathing suit, and Use a folding
>>> cane with
>>> a holster.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Cindy
>>> Bennett
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 4:25 PM
>>> To: National Asociation of Blind Students
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] canes and water park rides
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> This summer, I am going to a water park. When I go to theme
>>> parks, I
>>> typically store my cane somewhere outside the ride area or on the
>>> exit
>>> side of a roller coaster platform. However, many water rides
>>> are such
>>> that you get on the ride in a different location, often quite a
>>> walk away,
>>> from the place where you get off of the ride.
>>> My
>>> cane is too long to fit in many inner tubes, and I doubt that
>>> it would be
>>> a safe thing to bring along especially if it came loose.
>>>
>>> I am wondering if a telescoping cane would be the best for
>>> this, because
>>> I know that many water rides have shoe holders. It would just
>>> be
>>> annoying, because I would have to rely on someone to guide me
>>> back to
>>> these shoe holders that are often at the entrance of the ride.
>>>
>>> So what are your suggestions for storing a cane during water
>>> rides?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cindy Bennett
>>> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students Legislative
>>> Coordinator: National Federation of the Blind of Washington
>>>
>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
>>> clb5590 at gmail.com
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