[nabs-l] Lines

Tue Apr 2 16:43:55 UTC 2013

Hi all,
I believe that extra time should be used sparingly; only when it is
really necessary. We must be careful to use the accomidations we have
been given appropriately. Like others have said, I only use extra time
when I experience technological issues or if there are complicated
daigrams.

As for waiting in lines, this oppurtunity should also only be used if
it is necessary. Most of us are completely able to stand in a line
just like sighted people. Although it might seem tempting to cut a
line and skip the waiting time, we might be causing more harm than we
realize.
Many people with guide dogs choose not to bring their dogs to
amusement parks so this wouldn't be a big issue. It is unfair to have
a dog waiting in lines (possibly in extreme heat) for long periods of
time.
Just my opinion,
Danielle

On 4/2/13, Jessica Silva <jessmonsilva2003 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Hello:
> Personally, and I know I'll probably get a lot of flack for this but I
> honestly feel this way. I strongly feel that people with guide dogs
> shouldn't be taking them to water parks anyway. I don't think it's right
> that the dog has to go through so much especially at a waterpark. I
> understand we want to look more independent and what not, but putting a dog
> through torture like that, at a crowded waterpark, waiting for hours and
> hours  possibly in lines if you choose to stand in a line just seems
> inhumane to me.
> Jess
>
> Check out my blog:
> http://empowernetwork.com/jessicasilva
> http://www.makemoneywithjessica.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 4:55 AM MDT Carly Mihalakis wrote:
>
>>Good morning,
>>
>>         It seems to me, in the end your scores speak louder, and
>>with my clarity than if you happen to have taken extra time.  I mean,
>>who cares?
>>Car09:35 PM 3/31/2013, justin williams wrote:
>>>I take the time and a half.  Think what you want.  I can learn to be fast
>>> on
>>>a job.  I was one of the top agents at Teleperformance; still got cheated
>>> in
>>>the end.  I was one of the best agents in the call center. (Grin.)  No
>>> but
>>>seriously, I use any tool available to me.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
>>> Manwaring
>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:26 AM
>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>Subject: Re:                    [nabs-l] Lines
>>>
>>>Justin,
>>>   In high school I took the extra time way more than I should have; in
>>>hindsight, I was using it to hide the fact that I wasn't as efficient
>>> with
>>>braille as my peers were with print.  I know this is an entirely
>>> different
>>>subject, but I think extra time is legitimate only when inherently visual
>>>information like pictures and complex graphs need to be presented
>>> tactally
>>>or verbally.  Even then, it ought to be used with care because, as has
>>> been
>>>said ad noseum, you can't get the "time and a half" on the job.
>>>   Best,
>>>Kirt
>>>
>>>On 3/31/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Do you take the time and a half on tests?
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
>>> > Silverman
>>> > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 11:04 PM
>>> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Lines
>>> >
>>> > Hi all,
>>> > Thank you Kirt for making such a great point. When I was growing up my
>>> > parents and friends often pressured me to use my blindness so that we
>>> > could cut lines and sometimes my parents even required it without
>>> > giving me a choice about it. I used to try and justify our behavior
>>> > but in  the end when I did this I always felt a deep sense of shame
>>> > and anger, but I could never figure out why. Since then I have learned
>>> > about self-perception theory in psychology classes and I think I
>>> > understand why it bothers me (and many of
>>> > us) so much. Basically, self-perception theory posits that we draw
>>> > conclusions about ourselves by observing our own behavior. I think
>>> > whenever I used my blindness as a reason to get a guest pass and skip
>>> > the line, it made me start to see myself as a handicapped or crippled
>>> > person, which was very upsetting. For some people who have trouble
>>> > standing for long periods of time, or who have guide dogs who get
>>> > uncomfortable standing out in the sun, cutting in line seems
>>> > legitimate. But if we can physically handle the lines, accepting the
>>> > special passes doesn't do us any real favors. I insist on standing in
>>> > line with everyone else because I want to see myself (and my fellow
>>> > blind friends) as strong, healthy, normal people. I feel I have little
>>> > to gain by skipping the lines, and much to lose in terms of
>>> > self-esteem and self-respect. I think every time we take an
>>> > accommodation, we need to think about what we are gaining from that
>>> > accommodation vs. what we are potentially losing in terms of normalcy.
>>> > If an accommodation like a piece of technology is  truly necessary, it
>>> > will give enough benefit that it's worth the self-esteem hit. But if
>>> > an accommodation isn't really needed, I think we have more to lose
>>> > than we have to gain by accepting it. For this same reason I also do
>>> > not write off blindness as a reason to claim a tax deduction.
>>> > I am proud to be (barely) earning enough income to be required to pay
>>> > taxes and paying taxes just like anyone else in my income bracket
>>> > makes me feel good about myself and where I belong in the world.
>>> > There's also the argument that if we want to be allowed the same
>>> > rights sighted people get, we need to be willing to saddle the extra
>>> > responsibilities. If we want to be allowed to ride amusement park
>>> > rides without discrimination, we need to be willing to wait in line.
>>> > It sends a mixed message to skip the line and then insist on equal
>>> > treatment by the ride operators, just like it sends a mixed message to
>>> > request unnecessary extra time on tests and then ask for a professor's
>>> > letter of recommendation.
>>> > Again, though I'm not a dog user, I think having a guide dog is a
>>> > legitimate reason to not wait in lines.
>>> > Arielle
>>> >
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