[nabs-l] Lines

Thu Apr 4 02:27:38 UTC 2013

Lol.    Good stuff.  

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:00 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lines

Good morning, Jess,,

If you considder the plight of a guide dog, it is most often  that 
they are trained to deny their dog-ness, what MaMa nature inscribed 
in its DNA I.E not barking or humping a leg, at times of being moved 
to do so, not begging, being drug places unsuited for pooches. My 
suggestion would be, for the poor dog's sake, to buddy up with a 
friend, and let notions of independence go, at least for Fido's sake?
I know this will probably cause a shit storm, but there it is.
Have a great day, and, keep on smilin'! Car
,

Seeems toAt 04:54 AM 4/2/2013, you wrote:

>Hello:
>Personally, and I know I'll probably get a lot of flack for this but 
>I honestly feel this way. I strongly feel that people with guide 
>dogs shouldn't be taking them to water parks anyway. I don't think 
>it's right that the dog has to go through so much especially at a 
>waterpark. I understand we want to look more independent and what 
>not, but putting a dog through torture like that, at a crowded 
>waterpark, waiting for hours and hours  possibly in lines if you 
>choose to stand in a line just seems inhumane to me.
>Jess
>
>Check out my blog:
>http://empowernetwork.com/jessicasilva
>http://www.makemoneywithjessica.com
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 4:55 AM MDT Carly Mihalakis wrote:
>
> >Good morning,
> >
> >         It seems to me, in the end your scores speak louder, and
> >with my clarity than if you happen to have taken extra time.  I mean,
> >who cares?
> >Car09:35 PM 3/31/2013, justin williams wrote:
> >>I take the time and a half.  Think what you want.  I can learn to 
> be fast on
> >>a job.  I was one of the top agents at Teleperformance; still got 
> cheated in
> >>the end.  I was one of the best agents in the call center. (Grin.)  No
but
> >>seriously, I use any tool available to me.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
Manwaring
> >>Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:26 AM
> >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>Subject: Re:                    [nabs-l] Lines
> >>
> >>Justin,
> >>   In high school I took the extra time way more than I should have; in
> >>hindsight, I was using it to hide the fact that I wasn't as efficient
with
> >>braille as my peers were with print.  I know this is an entirely
different
> >>subject, but I think extra time is legitimate only when inherently
visual
> >>information like pictures and complex graphs need to be presented
tactally
> >>or verbally.  Even then, it ought to be used with care because, as has
been
> >>said ad noseum, you can't get the "time and a half" on the job.
> >>   Best,
> >>Kirt
> >>
> >>On 3/31/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Do you take the time and a half on tests?
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
> >> > Silverman
> >> > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 11:04 PM
> >> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Lines
> >> >
> >> > Hi all,
> >> > Thank you Kirt for making such a great point. When I was growing up
my
> >> > parents and friends often pressured me to use my blindness so that we
> >> > could cut lines and sometimes my parents even required it without
> >> > giving me a choice about it. I used to try and justify our behavior
> >> > but in  the end when I did this I always felt a deep sense of shame
> >> > and anger, but I could never figure out why. Since then I have
learned
> >> > about self-perception theory in psychology classes and I think I
> >> > understand why it bothers me (and many of
> >> > us) so much. Basically, self-perception theory posits that we draw
> >> > conclusions about ourselves by observing our own behavior. I think
> >> > whenever I used my blindness as a reason to get a guest pass and skip
> >> > the line, it made me start to see myself as a handicapped or crippled
> >> > person, which was very upsetting. For some people who have trouble
> >> > standing for long periods of time, or who have guide dogs who get
> >> > uncomfortable standing out in the sun, cutting in line seems
> >> > legitimate. But if we can physically handle the lines, accepting the
> >> > special passes doesn't do us any real favors. I insist on standing in
> >> > line with everyone else because I want to see myself (and my fellow
> >> > blind friends) as strong, healthy, normal people. I feel I have
little
> >> > to gain by skipping the lines, and much to lose in terms of
> >> > self-esteem and self-respect. I think every time we take an
> >> > accommodation, we need to think about what we are gaining from that
> >> > accommodation vs. what we are potentially losing in terms of
normalcy.
> >> > If an accommodation like a piece of technology is  truly necessary,
it
> >> > will give enough benefit that it's worth the self-esteem hit. But if
> >> > an accommodation isn't really needed, I think we have more to lose
> >> > than we have to gain by accepting it. For this same reason I also do
> >> > not write off blindness as a reason to claim a tax deduction.
> >> > I am proud to be (barely) earning enough income to be required to pay
> >> > taxes and paying taxes just like anyone else in my income bracket
> >> > makes me feel good about myself and where I belong in the world.
> >> > There's also the argument that if we want to be allowed the same
> >> > rights sighted people get, we need to be willing to saddle the extra
> >> > responsibilities. If we want to be allowed to ride amusement park
> >> > rides without discrimination, we need to be willing to wait in line.
> >> > It sends a mixed message to skip the line and then insist on equal
> >> > treatment by the ride operators, just like it sends a mixed message
to
> >> > request unnecessary extra time on tests and then ask for a
professor's
> >> > letter of recommendation.
> >> > Again, though I'm not a dog user, I think having a guide dog is a
> >> > legitimate reason to not wait in lines.
> >> > Arielle
> >> >
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