[nabs-l] Lines

Thu Apr 4 17:05:30 UTC 2013

Kar,
  First, while I think there is absolutely a time and place for
profanity (you should have heard me when I accidentally spilled a cup
of hot tea at a coffee shop just a few days ago), I don't think it
suits a publicly archived mailing list.  This is coming from someone
who can curse like a completely drunk sailor, believe me, I just don't
think this is the right venue for language like that.
  Now on to the substance of my email.  As should be completely
obvious by now, I'm not a dog user and (probably) will never be one.
Still I think leaving Fido home (as most guide dogs are trained to
deal with), would be a better option than bringing the pooch to the
amusement park.  If you want to go with a friend (as most people
probably will), more power to you.  Still, if you have to rely on that
friend to get you wherever you need to go, and you aren't capable of
handling yourself should you get separated, either by accident or by
choice, then I think you probably need some mobility training.  I hate
making generalizations but, I think, that's a safe one to make.
  Best,
Kirt

On 4/4/13, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
> Good morning, Jess,,
>
> If you considder the plight of a guide dog, it is most often  that
> they are trained to deny their dog-ness, what MaMa nature inscribed
> in its DNA I.E not barking or humping a leg, at times of being moved
> to do so, not begging, being drug places unsuited for pooches. My
> suggestion would be, for the poor dog's sake, to buddy up with a
> friend, and let notions of independence go, at least for Fido's sake?
> I know this will probably cause a shit storm, but there it is.
> Have a great day, and, keep on smilin'! Car
> ,
>
> Seeems toAt 04:54 AM 4/2/2013, you wrote:
>
>>Hello:
>>Personally, and I know I'll probably get a lot of flack for this but
>>I honestly feel this way. I strongly feel that people with guide
>>dogs shouldn't be taking them to water parks anyway. I don't think
>>it's right that the dog has to go through so much especially at a
>>waterpark. I understand we want to look more independent and what
>>not, but putting a dog through torture like that, at a crowded
>>waterpark, waiting for hours and hours  possibly in lines if you
>>choose to stand in a line just seems inhumane to me.
>>Jess
>>
>>Check out my blog:
>>http://empowernetwork.com/jessicasilva
>>http://www.makemoneywithjessica.com
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 4:55 AM MDT Carly Mihalakis wrote:
>>
>> >Good morning,
>> >
>> >         It seems to me, in the end your scores speak louder, and
>> >with my clarity than if you happen to have taken extra time.  I mean,
>> >who cares?
>> >Car09:35 PM 3/31/2013, justin williams wrote:
>> >>I take the time and a half.  Think what you want.  I can learn to
>> be fast on
>> >>a job.  I was one of the top agents at Teleperformance; still got
>> cheated in
>> >>the end.  I was one of the best agents in the call center. (Grin.)  No
>> >> but
>> >>seriously, I use any tool available to me.
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
>> >> Manwaring
>> >>Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:26 AM
>> >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> >>Subject: Re:                    [nabs-l] Lines
>> >>
>> >>Justin,
>> >>   In high school I took the extra time way more than I should have; in
>> >>hindsight, I was using it to hide the fact that I wasn't as efficient
>> >> with
>> >>braille as my peers were with print.  I know this is an entirely
>> >> different
>> >>subject, but I think extra time is legitimate only when inherently
>> >> visual
>> >>information like pictures and complex graphs need to be presented
>> >> tactally
>> >>or verbally.  Even then, it ought to be used with care because, as has
>> >> been
>> >>said ad noseum, you can't get the "time and a half" on the job.
>> >>   Best,
>> >>Kirt
>> >>
>> >>On 3/31/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Do you take the time and a half on tests?
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
>> >> > Silverman
>> >> > Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 11:04 PM
>> >> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Lines
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi all,
>> >> > Thank you Kirt for making such a great point. When I was growing up
>> >> > my
>> >> > parents and friends often pressured me to use my blindness so that
>> >> > we
>> >> > could cut lines and sometimes my parents even required it without
>> >> > giving me a choice about it. I used to try and justify our behavior
>> >> > but in  the end when I did this I always felt a deep sense of shame
>> >> > and anger, but I could never figure out why. Since then I have
>> >> > learned
>> >> > about self-perception theory in psychology classes and I think I
>> >> > understand why it bothers me (and many of
>> >> > us) so much. Basically, self-perception theory posits that we draw
>> >> > conclusions about ourselves by observing our own behavior. I think
>> >> > whenever I used my blindness as a reason to get a guest pass and
>> >> > skip
>> >> > the line, it made me start to see myself as a handicapped or
>> >> > crippled
>> >> > person, which was very upsetting. For some people who have trouble
>> >> > standing for long periods of time, or who have guide dogs who get
>> >> > uncomfortable standing out in the sun, cutting in line seems
>> >> > legitimate. But if we can physically handle the lines, accepting the
>> >> > special passes doesn't do us any real favors. I insist on standing
>> >> > in
>> >> > line with everyone else because I want to see myself (and my fellow
>> >> > blind friends) as strong, healthy, normal people. I feel I have
>> >> > little
>> >> > to gain by skipping the lines, and much to lose in terms of
>> >> > self-esteem and self-respect. I think every time we take an
>> >> > accommodation, we need to think about what we are gaining from that
>> >> > accommodation vs. what we are potentially losing in terms of
>> >> > normalcy.
>> >> > If an accommodation like a piece of technology is  truly necessary,
>> >> > it
>> >> > will give enough benefit that it's worth the self-esteem hit. But if
>> >> > an accommodation isn't really needed, I think we have more to lose
>> >> > than we have to gain by accepting it. For this same reason I also do
>> >> > not write off blindness as a reason to claim a tax deduction.
>> >> > I am proud to be (barely) earning enough income to be required to
>> >> > pay
>> >> > taxes and paying taxes just like anyone else in my income bracket
>> >> > makes me feel good about myself and where I belong in the world.
>> >> > There's also the argument that if we want to be allowed the same
>> >> > rights sighted people get, we need to be willing to saddle the extra
>> >> > responsibilities. If we want to be allowed to ride amusement park
>> >> > rides without discrimination, we need to be willing to wait in line.
>> >> > It sends a mixed message to skip the line and then insist on equal
>> >> > treatment by the ride operators, just like it sends a mixed message
>> >> > to
>> >> > request unnecessary extra time on tests and then ask for a
>> >> > professor's
>> >> > letter of recommendation.
>> >> > Again, though I'm not a dog user, I think having a guide dog is a
>> >> > legitimate reason to not wait in lines.
>> >> > Arielle
>> >> >
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