[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Kirt kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
Fri Apr 12 15:26:16 UTC 2013 

Justin,
I don't mean to be a killjoy but, as I recall, you are always the one telling people to do whatever works best for them. Here you are saying"isn't good"because it is too expensive? I don't mean to sound presumptuous or assume anything… But that almost sounds like a double standard to me. :-)

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On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:17 AM, "Rania Ismail LMT" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes I to agree. I my self live in a town and have to depend on a cab or
> someone like a sister or friend to drive me ware I need to go.
> I would love if I as a blind person was able to drive one day.
> Rania,
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher
> nusbaum
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:09 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> 
> Kirt,
> 
> I agree with you. Before we make any judgments on the Google car, we
> must remember that it is still in the planning stages and that  all
> Google cars that have been tested so far are no more than prototypes.
> This is evidenced by the need for the Google car to be taken over by
> human driver when it pulls off the highway, as the story which someone
> reposted here mentioned.
> 
> Carly, we must also take into account that some blind people don't
> live in areas where public transportation is easily available, such as
> Boston or New York City. I, for instance, live in a semi rural town in
> Maryland, where our only options For public transportation are
> paratransit and a cab service. As you can imagine, neither of these
> options are preferable Because of the cost if not the reliability. For
> this reason, I would love the independence that the Google car might
> give me in this area.
> 
> Just my thoughts,
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Patrick,
>> If it's time they want, I'm willing to give it.  I hope you're
>> right; we'll have to wait and see.  I guess my only point was that
>> this thing isn't right around the corner; while it's realisticly
>> viable now, it's still probably a long ways off before we'll be able
>> to drive.  Where the google car is now is probably comparable to where
>> the internet was thirty or so years ago; people could see the
>> possibilities, it was realistic and people "in the know" were probably
>> aware it was coming...but it still had a long way to go before it was
>> viable to the general public.
>> And, Patrick, you're probably right that airplane pilots don't have
>> to manually control the plane very much between takeoff and landing.
>> Still, I can almost guarantee you they are paying very close attention
>> in the event something goes wrong.
>> Carley,
>> I don't really see anything inherently wrong or undesirable about
>> driving.  In most places it is probably more efficient than public
>> transport.  Of course there are exceptions; New York city comes to
>> mind, for instance.  Still, living where I do now, I would totally
>> jump on the chance to drive if I could and it were realistic and safe,
>> at least most of the time.  That being said, it's far enough away that
>> I'm definitely not going to stop riding my busses and trains any time
>> soon.
>> Best,
>> Kirt
>> 
>> On 4/10/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Count me in.  I'm driving.   No wait; not driving, drivin.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly
>>> Mihalakis
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National
>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>> 
>>> Hi, List,
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched sighted folk seem
>>> to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd their fellow
>>> man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not having that crap
>>> to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about chances of ever
>>> affording such a car. And, I don't care about the principles personal
>>> cars supposedly afford. Where can they take you that a bus, train, or
>>> friend/driver cannot?
>>> Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, oughta be
>>> a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
>>> So no, on the car!
>>> Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
>>>> I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a major
>>>> milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind people in
>>>> sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't trust us
>>>> to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was
>>>> computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he will
>>>> never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be convincing
>>>> them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is already going
>>>> mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is nothing wrong
>>> with
>>>> backing both cars.
>>>> The big debate will be if people want to drive under their own control
> or
>>>> a
>>>> computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a screen reader to
>>> read
>>>> a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is very
>>>> important. The difference is the Google car is going mainstream and will
>>>> have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went mainstreem
> and
>>>> companies like Google started making units that used Jaws and no screen.
>>>> Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary for most common
>>>> tasks.
>>>> If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be very little
>>>> or
>>>> no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long driveway or
> country
>>>> road, one would need to manually drive it till the road could be
>>>> completely
>>>> entered into the database.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Sophie Trist
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>>> 
>>>> Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB invent a
>>>> self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to convince
>>>> them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is
>>>> superior.
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken
>>>> into account
>>>> I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be worked out, but
>>>> if the
>>>> government officials are pushed, it will happen very soon.
>>>> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they
>>>> could even
>>>> ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google would take
>>>> the
>>>> challenge.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Justin Young
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>>> 
>>>> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for
>>>> individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very
>>>> interesting
>>>> project.
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads
>>>> after
>>>> the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday the
>>>> nation's
>>>> first autonomous vehicle license.
>>>> 
>>>> The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways,
>>>> in
>>>> Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip,
>>>> the
>>>> Nevada DMV said in a statement.
>>>> 
>>>> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for
>>>> the
>>>> state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That law
>>>> went
>>>> into effect on March 1, 2012.
>>>> 
>>>> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors,
>>>> lasers,
>>>> and a database of information collected from manually driven
>>>> cars to
>>>> help navigate, according to the company.
>>>> 
>>>> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
>>>> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford
>>>> professor and
>>>> Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
>>>> 
>>>> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge
>>>> and
>>>> driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to
>>>> the
>>>> company.
>>>> 
>>>> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV
>>>> director
>>>> Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has plans to
>>>> eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the members of
>>>> the
>>>> public, the DMV said.
>>>> 
>>>> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in
>>>> other
>>>> states, including Google's home state of California.
>>>> 
>>>> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
>>>> Through
>>>> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous
>>>> vehicle
>>>> is capable of analyzing the driving environment more quickly and
>>>> operating the vehicle more safely," California state Senator
>>>> Alex
>>>> Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's autonomous
>>>> car
>>>> legislation.
>>>> 
>>>> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in
>>>> Nevada,
>>>> the DMV said.
>>>> 
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