[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

justin williams justin.williams2 at gmail.com
Fri Apr 12 02:44:33 UTC 2013 

When did I say it was to expensive?  What message are you referring to?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:26 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Justin,
I don't mean to be a killjoy but, as I recall, you are always the one telling people to do whatever works best for them. Here you are saying"isn't good"because it is too expensive? I don't mean to sound presumptuous or assume anything… But that almost sounds like a double standard to me. :-)

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On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:17 AM, "Rania Ismail LMT" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes I to agree. I my self live in a town and have to depend on a cab 
> or someone like a sister or friend to drive me ware I need to go.
> I would love if I as a blind person was able to drive one day.
> Rania,
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> christopher nusbaum
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:09 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> 
> Kirt,
> 
> I agree with you. Before we make any judgments on the Google car, we 
> must remember that it is still in the planning stages and that  all 
> Google cars that have been tested so far are no more than prototypes.
> This is evidenced by the need for the Google car to be taken over by 
> human driver when it pulls off the highway, as the story which someone 
> reposted here mentioned.
> 
> Carly, we must also take into account that some blind people don't 
> live in areas where public transportation is easily available, such as 
> Boston or New York City. I, for instance, live in a semi rural town in 
> Maryland, where our only options For public transportation are 
> paratransit and a cab service. As you can imagine, neither of these 
> options are preferable Because of the cost if not the reliability. For 
> this reason, I would love the independence that the Google car might 
> give me in this area.
> 
> Just my thoughts,
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Patrick,
>> If it's time they want, I'm willing to give it.  I hope you're right; 
>> we'll have to wait and see.  I guess my only point was that this 
>> thing isn't right around the corner; while it's realisticly viable 
>> now, it's still probably a long ways off before we'll be able to 
>> drive.  Where the google car is now is probably comparable to where 
>> the internet was thirty or so years ago; people could see the 
>> possibilities, it was realistic and people "in the know" were 
>> probably aware it was coming...but it still had a long way to go 
>> before it was viable to the general public.
>> And, Patrick, you're probably right that airplane pilots don't have 
>> to manually control the plane very much between takeoff and landing.
>> Still, I can almost guarantee you they are paying very close 
>> attention in the event something goes wrong.
>> Carley,
>> I don't really see anything inherently wrong or undesirable about 
>> driving.  In most places it is probably more efficient than public 
>> transport.  Of course there are exceptions; New York city comes to 
>> mind, for instance.  Still, living where I do now, I would totally 
>> jump on the chance to drive if I could and it were realistic and 
>> safe, at least most of the time.  That being said, it's far enough 
>> away that I'm definitely not going to stop riding my busses and 
>> trains any time soon.
>> Best,
>> Kirt
>> 
>> On 4/10/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Count me in.  I'm driving.   No wait; not driving, drivin.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly 
>>> Mihalakis
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National 
>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>> 
>>> Hi, List,
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched sighted folk 
>>> seem to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd their 
>>> fellow man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not having 
>>> that crap to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about chances 
>>> of ever affording such a car. And, I don't care about the principles 
>>> personal cars supposedly afford. Where can they take you that a bus, 
>>> train, or friend/driver cannot?
>>> Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, oughta be a 
>>> communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
>>> So no, on the car!
>>> Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
>>>> I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a major 
>>>> milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind people in 
>>>> sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't trust us 
>>>> to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was 
>>>> computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he will 
>>>> never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be convincing 
>>>> them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is already 
>>>> going mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is 
>>>> nothing wrong
>>> with
>>>> backing both cars.
>>>> The big debate will be if people want to drive under their own 
>>>> control
> or
>>>> a
>>>> computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a screen 
>>>> reader to
>>> read
>>>> a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is very 
>>>> important. The difference is the Google car is going mainstream and 
>>>> will have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went 
>>>> mainstreem
> and
>>>> companies like Google started making units that used Jaws and no screen.
>>>> Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary for most 
>>>> common tasks.
>>>> If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be very 
>>>> little or no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long 
>>>> driveway or
> country
>>>> road, one would need to manually drive it till the road could be 
>>>> completely entered into the database.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Sophie Trist
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>>> 
>>>> Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB invent a 
>>>> self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to convince 
>>>> them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is superior.
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken 
>>>> into account I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be 
>>>> worked out, but if the government officials are pushed, it will 
>>>> happen very soon.
>>>> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they 
>>>> could even ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google 
>>>> would take the challenge.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Justin Young
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>>>> 
>>>> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for 
>>>> individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very interesting 
>>>> project.
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads 
>>>> after the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday 
>>>> the nation's first autonomous vehicle license.
>>>> 
>>>> The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways, in 
>>>> Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip, the 
>>>> Nevada DMV said in a statement.
>>>> 
>>>> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for 
>>>> the state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That 
>>>> law went into effect on March 1, 2012.
>>>> 
>>>> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors, 
>>>> lasers, and a database of information collected from manually 
>>>> driven cars to help navigate, according to the company.
>>>> 
>>>> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its 
>>>> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford 
>>>> professor and Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
>>>> 
>>>> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge and 
>>>> driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to 
>>>> the company.
>>>> 
>>>> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV 
>>>> director Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has 
>>>> plans to eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the 
>>>> members of the public, the DMV said.
>>>> 
>>>> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in 
>>>> other states, including Google's home state of California.
>>>> 
>>>> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
>>>> Through
>>>> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous 
>>>> vehicle is capable of analyzing the driving environment more 
>>>> quickly and operating the vehicle more safely," California state 
>>>> Senator Alex Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's 
>>>> autonomous car legislation.
>>>> 
>>>> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in 
>>>> Nevada, the DMV said.
>>>> 
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