[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Fri Apr 12 16:38:06 UTC 2013

Hi, guys,

Does that not deveat the purpose of said car and blind folks?CarAt 
06:03 AM 4/12/2013, christopher nusbaum wrote:
>As it stands, he's going to need a sighted driver in the car who can
>take the wheel when the need arises. But Google will have to fix this
>if they're hoping for a blind person to drive it independently.
>
>Chris Nusbaum
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi, Chris, Kirt and everyone else on this thread,
> >
> > You guys are right in saying that, one need not pass judgement 
> without fully experiencing this machine in Wonderland. it's true we 
> don't have all the information. And, I think it's right when you 
> say the thing doesn't murge onto the freeway. What happens to the 
> driving blink if he dares to usese se the interstate? usese the 
> freeway? 4/12/2013, christopher nusbaum wrote:
> >> Kirt,
> >>
> >> I agree with you. Before we make any judgments on the Google car, we
> >> must remember that it is still in the planning stages and that  all
> >> Google cars that have been tested so far are no more than prototypes.
> >> This is evidenced by the need for the Google car to be taken over by
> >> human driver when it pulls off the highway, as the story which someone
> >> reposted here mentioned.
> >>
> >> Carly, we must also take into account that some blind people don't
> >> live in areas where public transportation is easily available, such as
> >> Boston or New York City. I, for instance, live in a semi rural town in
> >> Maryland, where our only options For public transportation are
> >> paratransit and a cab service. As you can imagine, neither of these
> >> options are preferable Because of the cost if not the reliability. For
> >> this reason, I would love the independence that the Google car might
> >> give me in this area.
> >>
> >> Just my thoughts,
> >>
> >> Chris Nusbaum
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring 
> <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Patrick,
> >> >  If it's time they want, I'm willing to give it.  I hope you're
> >> > right; we'll have to wait and see.  I guess my only point was that
> >> > this thing isn't right around the corner; while it's realisticly
> >> > viable now, it's still probably a long ways off before we'll be able
> >> > to drive.  Where the google car is now is probably comparable to where
> >> > the internet was thirty or so years ago; people could see the
> >> > possibilities, it was realistic and people "in the know" were probably
> >> > aware it was coming...but it still had a long way to go before it was
> >> > viable to the general public.
> >> >  And, Patrick, you're probably right that airplane pilots don't have
> >> > to manually control the plane very much between takeoff and landing.
> >> > Still, I can almost guarantee you they are paying very close attention
> >> > in the event something goes wrong.
> >> >  Carley,
> >> >  I don't really see anything inherently wrong or undesirable about
> >> > driving.  In most places it is probably more efficient than public
> >> > transport.  Of course there are exceptions; New York city comes to
> >> > mind, for instance.  Still, living where I do now, I would totally
> >> > jump on the chance to drive if I could and it were realistic and safe,
> >> > at least most of the time.  That being said, it's far enough away that
> >> > I'm definitely not going to stop riding my busses and trains any time
> >> > soon.
> >> >  Best,
> >> > Kirt
> >> >
> >> > On 4/10/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Count me in.  I'm driving.   No wait; not driving, drivin.
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly
> >> >> Mihalakis
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33 PM
> >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National
> >> >> Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi, List,
> >> >>
> >> >> On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched sighted folk seem
> >> >> to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd their fellow
> >> >> man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not having that crap
> >> >> to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about chances of ever
> >> >> affording such a car. And, I don't care about the principles personal
> >> >> cars supposedly afford. Where can they take you that a bus, train, or
> >> >> friend/driver cannot?
> >> >>  Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, oughta be
> >> >> a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
> >> >> So no, on the car!
> >> >> Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
> >> >>> I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a major
> >> >>> milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind people in
> >> >>> sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't trust us
> >> >>> to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was
> >> >>> computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he will
> >> >>> never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be convincing
> >> >>> them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> >>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hello,
> >> >>> The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is 
> already going
> >> >>> mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is 
> nothing wrong
> >> >> with
> >> >>> backing both cars.
> >> >>> The big debate will be if people want to drive under their 
> own control or
> >> >>> a
> >> >>> computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a 
> screen reader to
> >> >> read
> >> >>> a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is very
> >> >>> important. The difference is the Google car is going 
> mainstream and will
> >> >>> have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went 
> mainstreem and
> >> >>> companies like Google started making units that used Jaws 
> and no screen.
> >> >>> Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary for 
> most common
> >> >>> tasks.
> >> >>> If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be 
> very little
> >> >>> or
> >> >>> no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long 
> driveway or country
> >> >>> road, one would need to manually drive it till the road could be
> >> >>> completely
> >> >>> entered into the database.
> >> >>> Thanks,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: Sophie Trist
> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
> >> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB invent a
> >> >>> self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to convince
> >> >>> them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is
> >> >>> superior.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> >>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hello,
> >> >>> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken
> >> >>> into account
> >> >>> I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be worked out, but
> >> >>> if the
> >> >>> government officials are pushed, it will happen very soon.
> >> >>> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they
> >> >>> could even
> >> >>> ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google would take
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> challenge.
> >> >>> Thanks,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: Justin Young
> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
> >> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for
> >> >>> individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very
> >> >>> interesting
> >> >>> project.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads
> >> >>> after
> >> >>> the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday the
> >> >>> nation's
> >> >>> first autonomous vehicle license.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways,
> >> >>> in
> >> >>> Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip,
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> Nevada DMV said in a statement.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That law
> >> >>> went
> >> >>> into effect on March 1, 2012.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors,
> >> >>> lasers,
> >> >>> and a database of information collected from manually driven
> >> >>> cars to
> >> >>> help navigate, according to the company.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
> >> >>> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford
> >> >>> professor and
> >> >>> Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge
> >> >>> and
> >> >>> driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> company.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV
> >> >>> director
> >> >>> Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has plans to
> >> >>> eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the members of
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> public, the DMV said.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in
> >> >>> other
> >> >>> states, including Google's home state of California.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
> >> >>> Through
> >> >>> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous
> >> >>> vehicle
> >> >>> is capable of analyzing the driving environment more quickly and
> >> >>> operating the vehicle more safely," California state Senator
> >> >>> Alex
> >> >>> Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's autonomous
> >> >>> car
> >> >>> legislation.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in
> >> >>> Nevada,
> >> >>> the DMV said.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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