[nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets

Sun Apr 14 20:07:24 UTC 2013

Unless they fix it, which they are working on.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 12, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi, guys,
>
> Does that not deveat the purpose of said car and blind folks?CarAt 06:03 AM 4/12/2013, christopher nusbaum wrote:
>> As it stands, he's going to need a sighted driver in the car who can
>> take the wheel when the need arises. But Google will have to fix this
>> if they're hoping for a blind person to drive it independently.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi, Chris, Kirt and everyone else on this thread,
>> >
>> > You guys are right in saying that, one need not pass judgement without fully experiencing this machine in Wonderland. it's true we don't have all the information. And, I think it's right when you say the thing doesn't murge onto the freeway. What happens to the driving blink if he dares to usese se the interstate? usese the freeway? 4/12/2013, christopher nusbaum wrote:
>> >> Kirt,
>> >>
>> >> I agree with you. Before we make any judgments on the Google car, we
>> >> must remember that it is still in the planning stages and that  all
>> >> Google cars that have been tested so far are no more than prototypes.
>> >> This is evidenced by the need for the Google car to be taken over by
>> >> human driver when it pulls off the highway, as the story which someone
>> >> reposted here mentioned.
>> >>
>> >> Carly, we must also take into account that some blind people don't
>> >> live in areas where public transportation is easily available, such as
>> >> Boston or New York City. I, for instance, live in a semi rural town in
>> >> Maryland, where our only options For public transportation are
>> >> paratransit and a cab service. As you can imagine, neither of these
>> >> options are preferable Because of the cost if not the reliability. For
>> >> this reason, I would love the independence that the Google car might
>> >> give me in this area.
>> >>
>> >> Just my thoughts,
>> >>
>> >> Chris Nusbaum
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Patrick,
>> >> >  If it's time they want, I'm willing to give it.  I hope you're
>> >> > right; we'll have to wait and see.  I guess my only point was that
>> >> > this thing isn't right around the corner; while it's realisticly
>> >> > viable now, it's still probably a long ways off before we'll be able
>> >> > to drive.  Where the google car is now is probably comparable to where
>> >> > the internet was thirty or so years ago; people could see the
>> >> > possibilities, it was realistic and people "in the know" were probably
>> >> > aware it was coming...but it still had a long way to go before it was
>> >> > viable to the general public.
>> >> >  And, Patrick, you're probably right that airplane pilots don't have
>> >> > to manually control the plane very much between takeoff and landing.
>> >> > Still, I can almost guarantee you they are paying very close attention
>> >> > in the event something goes wrong.
>> >> >  Carley,
>> >> >  I don't really see anything inherently wrong or undesirable about
>> >> > driving.  In most places it is probably more efficient than public
>> >> > transport.  Of course there are exceptions; New York city comes to
>> >> > mind, for instance.  Still, living where I do now, I would totally
>> >> > jump on the chance to drive if I could and it were realistic and safe,
>> >> > at least most of the time.  That being said, it's far enough away that
>> >> > I'm definitely not going to stop riding my busses and trains any time
>> >> > soon.
>> >> >  Best,
>> >> > Kirt
>> >> >
>> >> > On 4/10/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Count me in.  I'm driving.   No wait; not driving, drivin.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly
>> >> >> Mihalakis
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:33 PM
>> >> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National
>> >> >> Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi, List,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On the other hand, for my whole life I have watched sighted folk seem
>> >> >> to agonize over so much turmoil, and hostility towrd their fellow
>> >> >> man, as they drive. I have always been grateful not having that crap
>> >> >> to contend with. Besides, I am not confident about chances of ever
>> >> >> affording such a car. And, I don't care about the principles personal
>> >> >> cars supposedly afford. Where can they take you that a bus, train, or
>> >> >> friend/driver cannot?
>> >> >>  Ultimately, i believe traveling from point A to point B, oughta be
>> >> >> a communal affair. Leave the driving to ol' Sighty!
>> >> >> So no, on the car!
>> >> >> Car At 06:23 PM 4/11/2013, Sophie Trist wrote:
>> >> >>> I can't wait to see these google cars come out. It will be a major
>> >> >>> milestone in the independence and assimulation of blind people in
>> >> >>> sighted society. My only worry is that the sighties won't trust us
>> >> >>> to drive, even (maybe especially) if the car was
>> >> >>> computer-controlled. Even my boyfriend, who is blind, says he will
>> >> >>> never trust a self-propelled car. Our trouble will be convincing
>> >> >>> them that it's safe for us and for others on the road.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> >>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:02:08 -0700
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Hello,
>> >> >>> The reason why the Google Car is Superior is because it is already going
>> >> >>> mainstream, it has a major company behind it and there is nothing wrong
>> >> >> with
>> >> >>> backing both cars.
>> >> >>> The big debate will be if people want to drive under their own control or
>> >> >>> a
>> >> >>> computers. It is not unlike reading Braille or using a screen reader to
>> >> >> read
>> >> >>> a book. Braille is all fine and dandy, but a screen reader is very
>> >> >>> important. The difference is the Google car is going mainstream and will
>> >> >>> have mainstreem support. It would be the same if Jaws went mainstreem and
>> >> >>> companies like Google started making units that used Jaws and no screen.
>> >> >>> Braille would be useful, but not particularly necessary for most common
>> >> >>> tasks.
>> >> >>> If one used a car on city roads and highways, there would be very little
>> >> >>> or
>> >> >>> no need to manually drive. If one wanted to map a long driveway or country
>> >> >>> road, one would need to manually drive it till the road could be
>> >> >>> completely
>> >> >>> entered into the database.
>> >> >>> Thanks,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>> From: Sophie Trist
>> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:37 PM
>> >> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Brandon, I totally 100% agree!!! However, didn't the NFB invent a
>> >> >>> self-propelled car of sorts? If so, it might be hard to convince
>> >> >>> them to back the google car unless we can prove theirs is
>> >> >>> superior.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>> From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> >>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:05:01 -0700
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Hello,
>> >> >>> Yes in a way, the logistics of liability still need to be taken
>> >> >>> into account
>> >> >>> I'm sure and licensing probably still needs to be worked out, but
>> >> >>> if the
>> >> >>> government officials are pushed, it will happen very soon.
>> >> >>> I think the NFB should push for these quite hard. Perhaps they
>> >> >>> could even
>> >> >>> ask that a car come to the convention, I think Google would take
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> challenge.
>> >> >>> Thanks,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>> From: Justin Young
>> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:13 AM
>> >> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google car takes to the streets
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> So does this mean these vehicles will soon be on the market for
>> >> >>> individuals to purchase in Nevada?  Sounds like a very
>> >> >>> interesting
>> >> >>> project.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 4/11/13, Robert William Kingett <kingettr at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> Google's self-driven cars will soon be appearing on Nevada roads
>> >> >>> after
>> >> >>> the state's Department of Motor Vehicles approved on Monday the
>> >> >>> nation's
>> >> >>> first autonomous vehicle license.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The move came after officials rode along on drives on highways,
>> >> >>> in
>> >> >>> Carson City neighborhoods and along the famous Las Vegas Strip,
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> Nevada DMV said in a statement.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The Nevada legislature last year authorized self-driven cars for
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> state's roads, the first such law in the United States. That law
>> >> >>> went
>> >> >>> into effect on March 1, 2012.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Google's self-driven cars rely on video cameras, radar sensors,
>> >> >>> lasers,
>> >> >>> and a database of information collected from manually driven
>> >> >>> cars to
>> >> >>> help navigate, according to the company.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The DMV licensed a Toyota Prius that Google modified with its
>> >> >>> experimental driver-less technology, developed by Stanford
>> >> >>> professor and
>> >> >>> Google Vice President Sebastian Thrun.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Google's self-driving cars have crossed the Golden Gate Bridge
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> driven along the picturesque Pacific Coast Highway, according to
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> company.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Autonomous vehicles are the "car of the future," Nevada DMV
>> >> >>> director
>> >> >>> Bruce Breslow said in a statement. The state also has plans to
>> >> >>> eventually license autonomous vehicles owned by the members of
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> public, the DMV said.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Legislation to regulate autonomous cars is being considered in
>> >> >>> other
>> >> >>> states, including Google's home state of California.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "The vast majority of vehicle accidents are due to human error.
>> >> >>> Through
>> >> >>> the use of computers, sensors and other systems, an autonomous
>> >> >>> vehicle
>> >> >>> is capable of analyzing the driving environment more quickly and
>> >> >>> operating the vehicle more safely," California state Senator
>> >> >>> Alex
>> >> >>> Padilla said in March when he introduced that state's autonomous
>> >> >>> car
>> >> >>> legislation.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Other car companies are also seeking self-driven car licenses in
>> >> >>> Nevada,
>> >> >>> the DMV said.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
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